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Old 02-18-21, 10:20 AM
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Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch

Yeah, Skyward Sword for $60 is the most egregious money grab I think I've seen from Nintendo, and that's saying a lot.

It looks like an upscaled Wii game, which is exactly what it is (with modified controls). Nobody that remembers the N64 would say anything on the 64 looked anywhere near that nice.

This should have been in a 3 pack with Twilight Princess and Wind Waker HD.
Old 02-18-21, 10:27 AM
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I mean, they have a 40 dollar pricepoint too (I want to say Captain Toad was that price?).

It does look like they spent money adapting the controls if not necessarily the graphics so if it plays a lot better than using a wiimote, I'll probably buy it anyway.
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Yeah, but Zelda is one of their premiere titles. Captain Toad is a one off side character game.
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Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch

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Yeah, but Zelda is one of their premiere titles. Captain Toad is a one off side character game.
Captain Toad was originally a $40 game.

There is no excuse for the pricing of SS. I doubt that Xbox or Playstation would release a barely upgraded port of one of their most prized 2011 games by itself ten years later for even $40.
But as long as people continue to reward Nintendo for recycling old games with the most minimal of effort by purchasing them at the cost of a new full AAA game, I can hardly blame Nintendo for keeping the practice going.
I will be voting with my wallet.
Old 02-18-21, 10:45 AM
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Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch

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Ha, same here, for both.
Yep, same here. My 11 year screamed with excitement when the game was announced, followed by a NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! when they told the release date. Nintendo should release the first Splatoon game on the Switch to tide people over until 3 is released next year.
Old 02-18-21, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by fujishig View Post
I mean, they have a 40 dollar pricepoint too (I want to say Captain Toad was that price?).

It does look like they spent money adapting the controls if not necessarily the graphics so if it plays a lot better than using a wiimote, I'll probably buy it anyway.
I can't see mapping controllers being that costly. It's a new driver for whatever emulator they've created, unless they ported the code over entirely - then it's integrated.

...plus they can just piggy back off all the modders/emulation profiles that have spent a ridiculous amount of time getting the perfect controller config for the game.

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Old 02-18-21, 10:51 AM
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Not a fan of the price but I'm glad I'll finally be able to play SS. The forced motion controls were such garbage.
Old 02-18-21, 10:58 AM
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I can't see mapping controllers being that costly. It's a new driver for whatever emulator they've created, unless they ported the code over entirely - then it's integrated.

...plus they can just piggy back off all the modders/emulation profiles that have spent a ridiculous amount of time getting the perfect controller config for the game.
I forgot about the stick mapping. I'm hoping that the motion controls are updated and much improved, though.
Old 02-18-21, 11:09 AM
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Captain Toad was originally a $40 game.

There is no excuse for the pricing of SS. I doubt that Xbox or Playstation would release a barely upgraded port of one of their most prized 2011 games by itself ten years later for even $40.
But as long as people continue to reward Nintendo for recycling old games with the most minimal of effort by purchasing them at the cost of a new full AAA game, I can hardly blame Nintendo for keeping the practice going.
I will be voting with my wallet.
I only brought up Captain Toad because fujishig used it as an example of a lower priced first party Nintendo game. I didnít realize the Wii U version was $40 as I never owned a Wii U and didnít pay attention to pricing for those games.

No one is making you buy Skyward Sword. If you donít want to pay for it simply donít. I donít see what going round and round about it proves for anyone.

I see some value in a first party Nintendo game despite its age and price and will likely pick it up at some point.

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Old 02-20-21, 12:10 AM
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Ugh...terrible direct. Nothing of note at all. Definitely nothing coming soon. Forget the kids I was excited to see Splatoon 3 but with a 2022 release it's just not news. Especially with their track record of late with announcing far off projects.

Originally Posted by Decker View Post
Yeah, that looked rough and angular. And, natch, they're asking $59.99 for that barely-remastered 10 year old game.
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Not interested in anything mentioned in the Direct, even if they weren't charging a ridiculous $60 for fucking decade-old ports. Fucking pathetic.
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Yeah, Skyward Sword for $60 is the most egregious money grab I think I've seen from Nintendo, and that's saying a lot.

It looks like an upscaled Wii game, which is exactly what it is (with modified controls). Nobody that remembers the N64 would say anything on the 64 looked anywhere near that nice.

This should have been in a 3 pack with Twilight Princess and Wind Waker HD.
We were just having this discussion too before the Direct. It's such a terrible money grab. I was excited at first as I thought no way they'd charge $60 for SS. Especially since it doesn't look like they've done anything with the game at all. Remapping motion controls to the R analog stick? Hardly revolutionary. New limited edition Joy Cons? That's not a feature. There is zero reason to not include Twilight Princess and WW in this pack. Oh I just thought of a reason...because they're going to release those separately too with a $60 price tag. I love Nintendo and all but their money grabbing is starting to get REALLY tiresome this generation. Remember when they sold all three of the previous generation's mario games with greatly improved graphics and the never before released Lost Levels in one game pack? Or when they gave you ALL the Zelda games as a bonus disc for buying a GCN? Or when they released all three of the Metroid Prime games for the price of one game? Or even just a few months ago when they release (almost) all of the 3d Mario games including the Wii's generation Mario for the price of one game?
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Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch

Ghost ‘n Goblins is free through the Capcom Arcade Stadium app through 2/25. The app also includes 1943.

https://www.capcom-arcade-stadium.co...akaimura-sale/
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Old 02-20-21, 11:49 AM
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Ghost Ďn Goblins is free through the Capcom Arcade Stadium app through 2/25. The app also includes 1943.

https://www.capcom-arcade-stadium.co...akaimura-sale/
Nice. I downloaded it simply for the fact that itís a freebie. Iím not very good at Ghosts Ďn Goblins though.
Old 02-21-21, 02:23 PM
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Re: Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch

Has there been any word on new Mario Kart Home Circuit characters/racers?
Old 02-22-21, 08:13 PM
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Old 02-23-21, 01:30 PM
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Captain Toad was originally a $40 game.

There is no excuse for the pricing of SS. I doubt that Xbox or Playstation would release a barely upgraded port of one of their most prized 2011 games by itself ten years later for even $40.
But as long as people continue to reward Nintendo for recycling old games with the most minimal of effort by purchasing them at the cost of a new full AAA game, I can hardly blame Nintendo for keeping the practice going.
I will be voting with my wallet.
Yeah just look at Master Chief Collection. launched at $60. 4 mainline Halo titles with all online maps and modes along with constant updates to improve the games.
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Old 02-23-21, 02:59 PM
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Yeah just look at Master Chief Collection. launched at $60. 4 mainline Halo titles with all online maps and modes along with constant updates to improve the games.
That's a really bad example since the Master Chief Collection is widely regarded as being a shoddy release at launch and it took them like two years of work on it before people were happy with it.
Old 02-23-21, 03:12 PM
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That's a really bad example since the Master Chief Collection is widely regarded as being a shoddy release at launch and it took them like two years of work on it before people were happy with it.
Actually that is irrelevant. It's wasn't priced that way because it was a "shoddy release at launch". It was priced that way because every remastered game, except those Nintendo exclusives, are priced either at a discount or bundled with other games. No one besides Nintendo releases previous-gen single-game remasters (as opposed to remakes) at full price.
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Old 02-23-21, 03:16 PM
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It's also because Nintendo doesn't discount games much if at all. There's no way you could bundle old games together and sell it at a premium if the stand alone versions are either dirt cheap or were available for dirt cheap/free.

It's a controversial decision to be sure, but it also works. Most of the games I buy day one now are Nintendo because I know they're not generally going to drop to half price in a month.

And again, for that same reason, if Nintendo did have discounts like the other systems, nobody would care that they launch at full price because people would pick them up at other pricepoints. The reasons for all the complaining is because you know a year from now Skyward Sword will still be 60 bucks (maybe 50 if you catch a sale)
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Actually that is irrelevant. It's wasn't priced that way because it was a "shoddy release at launch". It was priced that way because every remastered game, except those Nintendo exclusives, are priced either at a discount or bundled with other games. No one besides Nintendo releases previous-gen single-game remasters (as opposed to remakes) at full price.
My response was more to his using the "constant updates" as a selling point when the constant updates were because the game was broken.
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Anyone who argues that Skyward Sword is reasonably or appropriately priced would also have to admit that if instead of Mario 3D All-stars, if Nintendo had released just Super Mario Galaxy by itself and priced at $59.99 that would also be fine and appropriate. There is essentially no difference.
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I personally think both are over-priced. I bought the 3D All-stars release, and now wish I hadn't. It's not that I don't enjoy the games, but I am miffed at the seemingly lack of "Nintendo polish" that were put into them.

I will also be waiting on Skyward Sword as well. This one hurts too, because I quit playing Skyward Sword because I hated the motion controls, and I've always wanted to revisit it with regular controls. However, I want a better remaster. For example, I wanted something like the Wind Waker HD re-release for Skyward Sword. I can't buy this day one as is.
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Anyone who argues that Skyward Sword is reasonably or appropriately priced would also have to admit that if instead of Mario 3D All-stars, if Nintendo had released just Super Mario Galaxy by itself and priced at $59.99 that would also be fine and appropriate. There is essentially no difference.
What something is reasonably or appropriately priced is different for each individual though. I have zero problem paying $60 for the Skyward Sword remaster. I would have had zero problem paying $60 each for those Mario 3D All-stars games also. If you don't find them to be reasonably priced then speak with your wallet and don't buy them. There are plenty of other ways to play these games.
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People are still bitching about the pricing for Skyward Sword? Either buy it or donít. Itís really that simple.

Also I just recently paid $60 for Super Mario 3D World + Bowserís Fury. Itís a generation newer, but itís still technically an old game. Same with multiple other Wii U games.
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Ha! At least they didn't pull the "for a limited time" crap like they did for the FE re-release and all stars...
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Also I just recently paid $60 for Super Mario 3D World + Bowserís Fury. Itís a generation newer, but itís still technically an old game. Same with multiple other Wii U games.
And? It's a huge, relatively recent game and has lots of new additional content added. Nobody is complaining about its price. That is fair pricing. Skyward Sword just isn't.
But as long as folks continue to overpay Nintendo to push out ancient games without any additional improvements, they'll keep the recycling going. Why wouldn't they?
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