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Dan 09-13-13 10:08 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 
My memory isn't THAT great, so that specific point may be... off. I'll find it. I swear I will!
I do know that there are definitely components in a PC where MS has their own drivers and the manufacture also obviously provides different drivers.
In those cases, the MS drivers are usually not as good... but I'm sure they said otherwise with Signature PCs. Still searching...

fumanstan 09-13-13 10:10 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 
I like Arstechnica, but that article is pretty bad and doesn't provide much of a rebuttal or any worthwhile information at all. Inflammatory journalism.

That said, I can also believe that there might be that 50% gap right now in performance if the driver stuff is true. I trust flashburn enough to take his word for it on this matter. That's not to say I also don't expect Microsoft to improve that considerably, maybe not well enough for launch titles, but down the road I imagine the difference would be fairly negligible to all except 1st party games.

And yeah, Signature PC's didn't mean jack. I thought it was pretty much just no manufacturer bloatware.

Deftones 09-13-13 10:11 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Originally Posted by chess (Post 11832748)
A week ago?

Do you mean this "undisclosed developer" from People Can Fly, and how was it "debunked"?

http://i.imgur.com/D1GeI13.png

so wait, let me get this straight. in the past, someone posted a blog-type article that shed negative light on the PS4. you shot it down, claiming it wasn't journalism. now we get another, citing "unnamed sources" that sheds positive light on the PS4 (or negative on the Xbox One depending on how you look at it) and this is a good article? :lol:

FWIW, I recall reading somewhere that John Carmack said both systems are nearly identical. I'd believe comments from a guy like him far more than "unnamed sources."

RichC2 09-13-13 10:11 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Originally Posted by Dan (Post 11832804)
My memory isn't THAT great, so that specific point may be... off. I'll find it. I swear I will!
I do know that there are definitely components in a PC where MS has their own drivers and the manufacture also obviously provides different drivers. In those cases, the MS drivers are usually not as good... but I'm sure they said otherwise with Signature PCs. Still searching...

As far as I know, it isn't optimized outside of some minor configuration tweaks. The Microsoft Signature PCs are literally fresh installs of Windows without the bloat and with the most current drivers installed (Microsoft or Vendor)

chuckd21 09-13-13 10:12 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 
Chess only supports sources that validate his purchase.

Canis Firebrand 09-13-13 10:13 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 
Article makes claim that Sony/PS4 is superior = gospel and should be believed as absolute fact.
Article makes claim that MS/XB1 is superior or that Sony/PS4 has some shortcoming = obviously biased MS fanboy article that should be dismissed.

Haven't you been following along? ;)

RichC2 09-13-13 10:13 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Originally Posted by chuckd21 (Post 11832811)
Chess only supports sources that validate his purchase.

You have two consoles that are basically identical, one is $399, one is $499. Purchase validated.

I'm more irritated that we haven't seen the same game running on both consoles yet.

chuckd21 09-13-13 10:14 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 
Also, don't forget, if anyone at Microsoft says anything, they're lying company line toting jerks. But if a Sony guy says something on Twitter and includes a smiley face you can take that to the bank!

chuckd21 09-13-13 10:15 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 11832815)
You have two consoles that are basically identical, one is $399, one is $499. Purchase validated.

I'm more irritated that we haven't seen the same game running on both consoles yet.

But I want to make sure that the console in port 1 of my HDMI hub is vastly superior to the console in port 2.

I'd like to see ANY game running on either console at this point. Hell, have we seen so much as a screenshot of next gen Madden?

chess 09-13-13 10:16 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Originally Posted by Canis Firebrand (Post 11832814)
Article makes claim that Sony/PS4 is superior = gospel and should be believed as absolute fact.
Article makes claim that MS/XB1 is superior or that Sony/PS4 has some shortcoming = obviously biased MS fanboy article that should be dismissed.

Haven't you been following along? ;)

Find one. ;)

Brack 09-13-13 10:16 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Originally Posted by chuckd21 (Post 11832816)
Also, don't forget, if anyone at Microsoft says anything, they're lying company line toting jerks. But if a Sony guy says something on Twitter and includes a smiley face you can take that to the bank!

:lol: you got to love warped perspective!

Deftones 09-13-13 10:17 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 
Fortunately, we'll get the comparisons when both systems are out. Madden/BF4/COD:Ghosts/AC4 will all have side by sides. Then we can see what is what. Until then, speculating on anything, using stupid "anonymous sources" is fucking absurd.

RichC2 09-13-13 10:19 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Originally Posted by chuckd21 (Post 11832817)
But I want to make sure that the console in port 1 of my HDMI hub is vastly superior to the console in port 2.

I'd like to see ANY game running on either console at this point. Hell, have we seen so much as a screenshot of next gen Madden?

So plug a Wii U into port 2 and save port 1 and 3 for the One and PS4.

I can't really tell what they're doing either, unless it just isn't much of an upgrade over the current gen? Cock and balls.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/-VWVSwEtJQU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Brack 09-13-13 10:22 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Originally Posted by chuckd21 (Post 11832817)
Hell, have we seen so much as a screenshot of next gen Madden?

I have the inside scoop.

Madden on PS4:

http://static.nfl.com/static/content...allery_600.jpg

Madden on Xbox One:

http://static.nfl.com/static/content...allery_600.jpg

You be the judge!

chuckd21 09-13-13 10:23 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 11832829)
So plug a Wii U into port 2 and save port 1 and 3 for the One and PS4.

http://i.imgur.com/dCeVf.gif

pinata242 09-13-13 10:23 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 
Can you make it a rollover comparison please?

chuckd21 09-13-13 10:26 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 
I like Madden's sweet leathery sack.

Wait...

Dan 09-13-13 10:29 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 11832806)
And yeah, Signature PC's didn't mean jack. I thought it was pretty much just no manufacturer bloatware.

It was slightly more than that, but yeah. You're right. That did result in better overall performance though (spoilered for length):
Spoiler:

From winsupersite.com:
(yes, it's WIN super site, but the writer is just as critical of MS as anyone out there. One of the few journalists in the field who backs up his opinion or admits when he was wrong)
Performance. Focus group participants were asked to rate the sleep, resume, and shutdown times of the tested PCs. Because of the lab configuration needs, they were not able to test startup times (since restarting the PCs would have reimaged them), so I tested those on each PC set myself. I also examined the number of running services and processes on the PC sets. From a performance standpoint, over 79 percent of participants preferred the Signature PC configuration, though many noted that the differences were minor. In fact, many people wrote in "no preference" even though that wasn't a choice.

In my own more exhaustive tests, six of the seven Signature PC configurations outperformed the OEM PC configurations handily and the seventh was a virtual tie. Overall, Signature PCs outperformed the stock PC configurations. These PCs also had significantly fewer services running at idle when compared to OEM PCs: An average of 55 for Signature PCs vs. 78 for the OEM PCs. (What's missing, of course, is some ongoing performance monitoring solution that will keep these numbers comparatively low.)

Overall preference. At the end of the test, participants were asked to determine which of the PCs they preferred overall. Here, over 95 percent of participants, or all but two, chose the Signature PC configuration. Participants overwhelmingly preferred the Signature configurations and rated these PCs faster, better, and more enjoyable overall. One tester noted they would pay extra for a Signature configuration. Comments about the OEM configurations ranged from negative to unprintable.

There's no doubt that the tested Signature PCs were preferable, overall, to the OEM configurations. Signature PCs are quicker and easier to set up and use, offer cleaner operating environments, and provide better integration with Microsoft's associated products and technologies. Signature PCs perform, on average, far better than OEM configurations, in the initial set up of the machines and in ongoing, power management-related activities. The initial services load on Signature PCs is also considerably lower than that of OEM PCs, which should have a positive long-term impact on overall performance.


Point is, with what MS did with Signature PCs, they're doing with all of their services, and optimizing that philosophy for Xbox One. Vista was a disaster in terms of performance, and Win 7 and Win 8 have both -reduced- the minimum hardware requirements, based purely on the core software.
That doesn't mean I think Xbox One will perform 50% better than the PS4. That's dumb. But Sony's "optimization" of Android (as one example) doesn't exactly give me warm and fuzzies about actual performance.

chess 09-13-13 10:46 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Originally Posted by Deftones (Post 11832808)
so wait, let me get this straight. in the past, someone posted a blog-type article that shed negative light on the PS4. you shot it down, claiming it wasn't journalism.

Assuming we're both talking about the BF4 thing, my beef with that article was that it was "negative" about one console while not comparing it with the other, as if it were either in a vacuum or were competing against monster PCs. I thought, and still think, that it was purposefully inflammatory for the purpose of attention.


FWIW, I recall reading somewhere that John Carmack said both systems are nearly identical. I'd believe comments from a guy like him far more than "unnamed sources."
As do I. Carmack is scary smart, and I hope he's right, because I'd hate for one console to hold the other back on crossplatform games. :up:

Music 09-13-13 10:51 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Originally Posted by chess (Post 11832887)
As do I. Carmack is scary smart, and I hope he's right, because I'd hate for one console to hold the other back on crossplatform games. :up:

:thumbsup:

flashburn 09-13-13 10:59 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Originally Posted by Dan (Post 11832804)
My memory isn't THAT great, so that specific point may be... off. I'll find it. I swear I will!
I do know that there are definitely components in a PC where MS has their own drivers and the manufacture also obviously provides different drivers.
In those cases, the MS drivers are usually not as good... but I'm sure they said otherwise with Signature PCs. Still searching...

I think you are confused about MS Certified drivers. They aren't actually writing them.

Dan 09-13-13 11:04 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 
Yup. Thanks, flashburn. :)

flashburn 09-13-13 11:04 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 11832806)
That said, I can also believe that there might be that 50% gap right now in performance if the driver stuff is true. I trust flashburn enough to take his word for it on this matter. That's not to say I also don't expect Microsoft to improve that considerably, maybe not well enough for launch titles, but down the road I imagine the difference would be fairly negligible to all except 1st party games.

Hell, I think they'll work out the majority of the issues before launch even, I was just trying to shed some light about WHY they might be seeing such a vast difference in performance.

I'd rather people trusted me less (if that's possible!), else I might get into trouble. It's more fun for me this way anyway.

fumanstan 09-13-13 11:05 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Originally Posted by flashburn (Post 11832918)
Hell, I think they'll work out the majority of the issues before launch even, I was just trying to shed some light about WHY they might be seeing such a vast difference in performance.

I'd rather people trusted me less (if that's possible!), else I might get into trouble. It's more fun for me this way anyway.

Fucking liar!

K&AJones 09-13-13 11:37 AM

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 
I'm curious as to implementing and upgrading the drivers later on. Since the OS is a kernel version of WIN 8 are these drivers Direct X related? I would think with a mild version of WIN 8 installed as the OS that MS would have some advantage in the driver department...?


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