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Groucho 08-27-13 09:42 AM

Re: Xbox One: The Only Choice for Rational Gamers
 
I would say that releasing a week earlier than the PS4 is the perfect counterpoint to the price point difference.

chess 08-27-13 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 11812205)
I would say that releasing a week earlier than the PS4 is the perfect counterpoint to the price point difference.

:lol: Classic Groucho! :eyebrow:

Groucho 08-27-13 09:56 AM

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Not joking around. There's a lot of people out there who are willing to pay a little premium to be "first on their block" with a new console.

chess 08-27-13 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 11812225)
Not joking around. There's a lot of people out there who are willing to pay a little premium to be "first on their block" with a new console.

Oh. :(

Do these hypothetical "lot of people" already have preorders?

I don't mean to take the piss...just not sure a week will make a difference when the first non-preordered consoles will probably be sold on Black Friday, and even then in modest numbers.

Earlier is always better, but I don't think a week is going to change many minds.

chuckd21 08-27-13 10:10 AM

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This date is all based on one unconfirmed image from a Wal-Mart, yes?

RichC2 08-27-13 10:11 AM

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I would say maybe, I went into Walmart last night they had a ton of Xbox Launch Editions for pre-order.

chess 08-27-13 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckd21 (Post 11812235)
This date is all based on one unconfirmed image from a Wal-Mart, yes?

Yes, and even it looks a little bit off...different number format, missing comma.

But I hope it's true, and I don't find the date nearly as surprising as the fact they are still taking day one preorders.

Rob V 08-27-13 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 11812225)
Not joking around. There's a lot of people out there who are willing to pay a little premium to be "first on their block" with a new console.

You are correct, sir. It gives fence sitters a serious push over the edge and it gives customers a week to go crazy buying X1 games and making that commitment more final than ever. I'm buying both but I suspect I'll game more regularly on the X1 anyways simply because of the controller.

BTW - the facial recognition thing by the Kinect was pretty slick. My kids are going to love that.

Deftones 08-27-13 12:13 PM

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i don't like the facial recognition thing to make your avatar. my avatar is skinnier than i actually am. :sad:

Rob V 08-27-13 12:27 PM

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You actually tried out the new Kinect? I think the X1 is all about making you feel good about yourself :lol: It'd probably root for the D-backs if you wanted it to.

mattysemo247 08-27-13 12:28 PM

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Not to be outdone by Sony, GameStop managers will also receive an Xbox One

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertco...x-one-and-ps4/

RichC2 08-27-13 12:32 PM

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Lucky bastards and their thousand dollar bonuses.

chuckd21 08-27-13 12:42 PM

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Finally we'll get to see what goes on inside the house of a Gamestop manager.

fumanstan 08-27-13 12:46 PM

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Misc Day One bonuses for buying Ryse, Dead Rising 3, or Forza.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/08/games-day-one

fumanstan 08-27-13 02:47 PM

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An additional report of production issues for the Xbox One.

http://bgr.com/2013/08/27/xbox-one-r...shipments-cut/


The Xbox One might a little harder to find than expected when it launches later this year. China’s Economic Daily News reports that Microsoft is having yield issues with Xbox One components and that it may cut its initial planned shipments of the console from 7 million to 6.2 million. We already know that Microsoft has delayed launching the Xbox One in eight different countries so news of production issues isn’t too much of a shock. The Xbox One features an eight-core 1.6GHz processor, 8GB of RAM, an 800MHz graphics processor and a completely revamped Kinect sensor. The console will go on sale in November starting at $500.
Not too unexpected given the rumors over the last few months. I wonder if the "planned shipments" number quoted is for the rest of the year? Quarter?

chuckd21 08-27-13 02:52 PM

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Thanks China Obama.

Meanwhile the PS4 comes with ice cream and free back rubs. GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER MICROSOFT.

chess 08-27-13 03:10 PM

Re: Xbox One: The Only Choice for Rational Gamers
 

Originally Posted by chuckd21 (Post 11812522)
Meanwhile the PS4 comes with ice cream and free back rubs.

Only in tier one countries and only if you preordered.

Sgtsnake 08-27-13 04:02 PM

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All of this would explain why were not and may not get a launch date anytime soon. Sounds like MS didnt do a very good job planning these last few years to get these out on time and will now be way to far behind PS4 to even play catch up

flashburn 08-27-13 04:05 PM

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Crappier yields due to them increasing the clock rates leading to a lower launch supply than planned?! Color me shocked!

fumanstan 08-27-13 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by flashburn (Post 11812605)
Crappier yields due to them increasing the clock rates leading to a lower launch supply than planned?! Color me shocked!

Shocked?

chess 08-27-13 04:44 PM

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From NeoGAF...thought you guys might want some reassurance:


Originally Posted by Albert Panello
Wow. My grip on truthfulness was that tenuous?

Perhaps, it could be taken at face value that we are telling the truth. I haven’t been up here posting spin or BS. I’ve been pushing hard to be transparent in how we talk about what’s going on with the platform. And I’m clear when I can’t comment on things.

Yet, somehow since this truth doesn’t jibe with the popular belief online, we are being dishonest. I get that we’ve had a rough few months, but at some point I’d like to think we get the benefit of the doubt, at least on things that make sense logically. You know, Occam’s Razor and such.

Here’s truth:

There never has been any sort of yield or performance issues with our GPU/ESRAM/KINECT/ETC. It’s simply not true, and I’ve heard the rumors online so often I actually went to the silicon engineers to ask them again. Our HW program (knock-on-wood) has been on schedule and again, we’ve had the opportunity to increase performance even later in the program. You don’t have yield issues then upgrade the clock speed by 6%. Again, simple logic here.

Second, if we were having yield issues – why did our country delay not include markets like the US, Canada, or UK? Those represent the vast majority of our volumes. Anyone can look at GFK Chart-Track and see the volumes in the regions that slipped. Here’s an assignment for the GAF Detectives: go look at historical sell-thru rates of consoles by region, then tell me what percentage of global consoles sales were represented by those affected markets. (hint: it’s a small percentage). Each and every region is important to us, don’t get me wrong, but anyone can look at those numbers and deduce it has nothing to do with volume.

I’m going to state it again, just like I said here and to OXM: The delay was localization related. Besides needing local language support, we also need to prop-up local Live, Apps, a Marketplace, and a variety of other services. We bundle that together as “localization” in messaging, but there is more to shipping in a region then text and voice translation. The offset to that, like we’ve said, X1 is region free and while that’s slightly more inconvenient, it will still allow people in the local countries to enjoy launch. Again, not something we’d be promoting if we were having issues with volume.

I’m certainly not going to change everyone’s mind, I get that. And I know there is tendency to believe there are many more diabolical things going on behind the scenes. In this case, we are being fully transparent. And FYI – we passed FCC certification back in early summer, before PS4.

Lastly – anything that was shown on a box, was shown on near-final retail HW. Our Dev Kits and Retail Units are the same.

Albert “spoonful of sugar” Penello

And when he was confronted with the linked reports...during the conversation...which was kind of classic to be honest:


Originally Posted by Albert Panello
Like I said. The truth of launch will put this to rest. There would be no benefit to me entering this thread unless I was confident it could be proven beyond my own word.

The continuous propagation of the same rumor does not make it a new rumor. The China news thing is wrong, of course, like the other rumors are wrong. They have no source. It’s just the same rumor making the rounds.

My source = me. That’s all I can rely on, my knowledge of what’s going on internally.

Now, you could call me a BIASED source, but short of me showing documents or email strings or other evidence that of course I could never disclose, it’s basically my word against the rumors. And even if I did show something, it would be dismissed.

At any rate, I will continue to post as long as I’m welcome.

I don't really know what to believe at this point. Until today, I thought they had yield issues, but I find the above to be fairly credible. It's also good to hear him assert FCC certification.

Whatever...just hope you guys get your consoles ASAP.

flashburn 08-27-13 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 11812619)
Shocked?

Exactly! Haha.

flashburn 08-27-13 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chess (Post 11812644)
I don't really know what to believe at this point. Until today, I thought they had yield issues, but I find the above to be fairly credible. It's also good to hear him assert FCC certification.

Whatever...just hope you guys get your consoles ASAP.

Those previous yield's they posted were pretty solid, definitely misconstrued. I'm sure PS4 has similar yields. Actually PS4 yields are probably lower since it's a bigger chip. But again, nothing alarming at all.

Music 08-27-13 05:40 PM

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Discostu - you had hands on with the PS4 controller right?

How does it compare to the current 360 controller?

chess 08-27-13 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by flashburn (Post 11812696)
I'm sure PS4 has similar yields. Actually PS4 yields are probably lower since it's a bigger chip.

I don't think that's right.

I thought built in eSRAM made the X1 chip quite a bit bigger...sources say 363mm. I can't find a source for PS4 chip size, but I'm pretty sure it's smaller given that it has similar CPU & GPU to the X1 but without the eSRAM. Edit: Post on Anandtech speculates "under 300 mm" for PS4 based on architecture.

Interesting tidbit I found while trying to find the chip size for the PS4: The PS4 pushes more GFLOPS than the X1 and WiiU combined.


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