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Quote: this season sucks.
+1.
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What does Nat gain by lying about her age?
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Quote: What does Nat gain by lying about her age?
Ive been wondering the same thing. How does this benefit her and why would anyone care?
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Quote: Ive been wondering the same thing. How does this benefit her and why would anyone care?
That's just it, no one cares. She's slipped up so many times that if anyone was paying attention they would have figured it out. I can just picture the finale and when she "reveals" that she's 21 and no one will care.
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Quote: BB production needs to realize the only thing to save this season is to make the POV all about Neuroscience.
Forget about neuroscience; Natalie and Jordan believed about that made up word "Technotronics" and got it wrong in the HOH competition.
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Quote: That's just it, no one cares. She's slipped up so many times that if anyone was paying attention they would have figured it out. I can just picture the finale and when she "reveals" that she's 21 and no one will care.
Actually she's 24.

And she looked smoking hot last night in her bathing suit.

Chris
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So according to Joker's, Natalies rehearsing her nomination speech:

N: What America doesn't know is that Michele was the cause of Chima throwing her microphones. Michele you say you dedicated your life to Christian Actions, You threw all of those away. I'm a Christian and I know you don't make a deal with the devil and if I made a deal with you it would be me making a deal with Satan itself. If I lose the game my soul is still in tact. Michele although I've nominated Kevin for strategic reasons, you are personal reasons. I feel your are a back stabbing, liar who has played this game in a despicable manner, what you did to Chima was despicable. You betrayed Chima, you betrayed me. You have thrown your Christian values away. I declined your deal because if I had made a deal with you it would be like making a deal with satan himself. You don't need to sell your soul to win this game, and if the only way to win this game is to sell your soul to the devil, then I'm not going to win this game. My dad sas 500,000 is not worth the cost and turns out I made a good decisions, I didn't sell my soul to you, and I still solidified my spot in F3 with my loyalty, integrity in place.

Of course, a few minutes later she adds:

...you guys know I'm 18 and that is true, and you think I'm naive, gullible and dumb, but I'm no dummy and that is why I'm in F3 and you're not. I want her to know I'm NOT dumb, she thinks I was going to keep Jeff. I want to throw in that jab, you think I'm dumb and I'm not, you guys are still fighting for a spot in F3 and one of you guys are going home.

Any chance a light fixture could fall on Natalie?
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http://watching-tv.ew.com/2009/09/04...natalie-hated/
(In the comments section of the above article, there are pages and pages of posts with everyone hating Natalie and vowing they are done with BB because they cannot stand watching her.)

'Big Brother 11': Why is Natalie one of the most hated contestants in 'Brother' history?
by Ken Tucker



Why is Natalie the most irritating contestant on Big Brother 11… or perhaps in Big Brother history? Granted, she suffers from comparison to one of the most-loved BB contestants, Jeff, for whom she cast a deciding exit-vote last night.

But what makes Natalie worse than most previous Big Brother “villains”? (I mean, just take a look at the Comments in my Big Brother blog item and Josh Wolk’s TV Watch.)

Well, to start, for someone who’s lasted this long in the game, she’s got no — zero — sense of humor (a specialty in seasons past of, say, Dr. Will or Evel Dick). And in a game where back-stabbing and -dooring is part of strategy, she’s taken a ridiculous, even absurdist moral high ground, justifying her survival and (few) victories as salutes to fallen allies such as the ego-addled Jessie and the grumpy martyr Chima. To run around last night, as Natalie did after winning a foolish HOH competition that was just a lousy guessing-game and crowing triumphantly, “I did it by sticking to my word!” was kinda infuriating. Her “word” (a) had nothing to do with her win and (b) meant nothing anyway, since she’d broken her word to Jeff and others repeatedly.

Natalie does nothing that’s entertainingly bad/malicious/diabolical. Her vaunted taekwondo skills haven’t helped her stage any exciting competition victories. She can’t even come up with a mean trick like Season Two’s Shannon, who scrubbed a toilet with another player’s toothbrush. Natalie’s version of that would be to scrub a toilet with her own toothbrush and then run around the house yelling, “Yes! This is for you, Jessie!”

In the final weeks of any Big Brother, you need house guests who’ll question their own motives, strategy, and articulate in the diary room the disparity between the image they’re putting out to fool their housemates and the reality of their wicked schemes. Natalie has shown us none of this. Jordan has taken on the mantle of Dumb Contestant this season, but actually, Natalie is a lot more unintelligent in the way she has no self-awareness, no strategy. She just piggybacks onto any player who’s doing well. When Jessie was on a hot streak? She’d go with him. Now Kevin is HOH and articulate about his plans with her? She’ll claim her fealty to Kevin.

It’s this lack of conviction even in her alliances — combined with, as my colleague Dalton Ross has pointed out, her endlessly irritating voice, a kind of monotone-whine of self-righteousness — that doesn’t put Natalie in a Hall of Fame or Shame, but which just renders her an annoyance without any sting.

Kinda like the dragonfly she was terrified of recently.
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Quote: Natalie’s version of that would be to scrub a toilet with her own toothbrush and then run around the house yelling, “Yes! This is for you, Jessie!"
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I hope she gets booed if she wins, that article from EW nails it, the villians of the past few seasons, such as Evil Dick,Dr Will, and James(S9), at least had a sense of humor in the way they acted in the house. As many here have said I am done watching unless somehow Jordan or Michelle can get her out before the final two. Btw the best way to erase from my memory this turd of a season is to make next summer's edition another all stars show, and do not bring back anyone this season by the name of Jessie, Natalie, Chima, or Lydia.
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Quote: So according to Joker's, Natalies rehearsing her nomination speech:

N: What America doesn't know is that Michele was the cause of Chima throwing her microphones. Michele you say you dedicated your life to Christian Actions, You threw all of those away. I'm a Christian and I know you don't make a deal with the devil and if I made a deal with you it would be me making a deal with Satan itself. If I lose the game my soul is still in tact. Michele although I've nominated Kevin for strategic reasons, you are personal reasons. I feel your are a back stabbing, liar who has played this game in a despicable manner, what you did to Chima was despicable. You betrayed Chima, you betrayed me. You have thrown your Christian values away. I declined your deal because if I had made a deal with you it would be like making a deal with satan himself. You don't need to sell your soul to win this game, and if the only way to win this game is to sell your soul to the devil, then I'm not going to win this game. My dad sas 500,000 is not worth the cost and turns out I made a good decisions, I didn't sell my soul to you, and I still solidified my spot in F3 with my loyalty, integrity in place.

Of course, a few minutes later she adds:

...you guys know I'm 18 and that is true, and you think I'm naive, gullible and dumb, but I'm no dummy and that is why I'm in F3 and you're not. I want her to know I'm NOT dumb, she thinks I was going to keep Jeff. I want to throw in that jab, you think I'm dumb and I'm not, you guys are still fighting for a spot in F3 and one of you guys are going home.

Any chance a light fixture could fall on Natalie?
I'm not going through the anguish of watching Natalie be Natalie on the feeds for now, but why did she nominate Kevin?

I know Jordan is major league stupid, but if Kevin doesn't win the veto, is Jordan REALLY going to ignore Jeff (I thought she'd vote out Kevin if given the chance, simply to get revenge for Jeff...even if she didn't "remember" to follow his instructions) and vote to keep Kevin?

Please tell me this is the one time where Jordan is just playing along and plans to get rid of Kevin if he doesn't win POV.

This has been a horrible year, but Michele is my favorite and Jordan is tolerable, so having 2 out of 3 going against Nat in the F3 would give me a glimmer of hope that the season could end with Nat being the last jury member and a Jordan/Michele f2.
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There's been a slight change. They apparently delayed the noms to do the Pandora's Box. Natalie could meet with a loved one for 20 minutes (they couldn't discuss game, but they did anyway) if she gave up her chance to play in the POV. She took it, and met with her boyfriend, who proposed to her. There's more to all this but its a little unclear right now. Apparently, Jessie, Lydia, Russell and an undesignated little person were there playing some kind of pranks in the house. Maybe this will be covered on BBAD, if anyone can stand to watch it anymore.

I'm so happy for Natalie. This is my happy face.
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Quote: I'm so happy for Natalie. This is my happy face.


What kind of a fucked up guy would want to marry Natalie?
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They have now held the Nomination ceremony and it supposedly went as rehearsed. The reason she nom'd Kevin was to set up an elaborate ruse that they do not have a F2 agreement. They've played out an entire scene in front of Michelle and Jordan, with Natalie saying that Kevin is her true target (lie).
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Quote: They have now held the Nomination ceremony and it supposedly went as rehearsed. The reason she nom'd Kevin was to set up an elaborate ruse that they do not have a F2 agreement. They've played out an entire scene in front of Michelle and Jordan, with Natalie saying that Kevin is her true target (lie).
My head hurts at this point, but does this "ruse" really mean anything? If Jordan wins POV she leaves the noms the same and Kevin leaves, right? Michele wins, she takes herself off and Kevin goes home. So Kevin has to win POV to stay. Please someone tell me that I'm right.
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Quote: My head hurts at this point, but does this "ruse" really mean anything? If Jordan wins POV she leaves the noms the same and Kevin leaves, right? Michele wins, she takes herself off and Kevin goes home. So Kevin has to win POV to stay. Please someone tell me that I'm right.
I have no interest in reading anything about Natalie right now, but I just wonder why Kevin keeps going along with her stories. It makes him look bad compared to her. He had to be the bad guy last week, and now he's letting Natalie be the "good guy" again to Jordan (I'd bet that Michele isn't buying it). I guess he really doesn't have much choice at this point. He's in a bad spot this week.
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Quote: My head hurts at this point, but does this "ruse" really mean anything? If Jordan wins POV she leaves the noms the same and Kevin leaves, right? Michele wins, she takes herself off and Kevin goes home. So Kevin has to win POV to stay. Please someone tell me that I'm right.
All you need to know is that it's Natalie's plan so it has to work because she's not really 18 and is smarter then people think.
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Quote: There's been a slight change. They apparently delayed the noms to do the Pandora's Box. Natalie could meet with a loved one for 20 minutes (they couldn't discuss game, but they did anyway) if she gave up her chance to play in the POV. She took it, and met with her boyfriend, who proposed to her. There's more to all this but its a little unclear right now.
I'm pretty sure none of that happened. Just before Natalie told this story her and Kevin where discussing making up an elaborate story about Pandora's Box.
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Quote: All you need to know is that it's Natalie's plan so it has to work because she's not really 18 and is smarter then people think.
And it will work with her keeping her word! VIVA LA CHIMA!
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Quote: I'm pretty sure none of that happened. Just before Natalie told this story her and Kevin where discussing making up an elaborate story about Pandora's Box.
I think some of it did. She has lost the right to play for POV, so she had to trade it for something and she was telling people that she was told that she has a lot of "haters."

I don't see Natalie taking herself down a notch and, personally, I would think she probably feels shes loved by the viewers because she's a "great" competitor, never lies, and avenged the losses of Jessie and Chima, whom shew must know the viewers just adored.
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Something happened, but there are a lot of questions now.

Michelle, Jordan, Kevin all have some doubts about her engagement story (but Kevin may be in on it ..or not). They definitely had some type of event before the nominations, and various characters showed up. Natalie apparently gave up a chance at POV for something... if not a visit, perhaps it was money (previous HGs have lied about getting money for fear it will hurt them with the jury). Of course, she may have traded it for something that will help her down the road.

Natalie has said she feels that she's disliked because America hates Jessie, and she's guilty by association (sadly, she seems to be denying the one thing she legitimately earned, -the rancor of BB viewers).
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Quote: I'm not going through the anguish of watching Natalie be Natalie on the feeds for now, but why did she nominate Kevin?
Because her nominations mean nothing this week. Kevin being nominated does not change his chances of going or staying.
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^^
Good point. Gnat and the veto winner are safe and the other two will be the noms. So, like Dino said, Gnat's noms are totally irrelevant.
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Quote: ^^
Good point. Gnat and the veto winner are safe and the other two will be the noms. So, like Dino said, Gnat's noms are totally irrelevant.
Or to put it more plainly, the POV winner is the only one who votes. If Natalie was playing, -and won, -the person not nominated would have rhe only vote.
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Quote: Because her nominations mean nothing this week. Kevin being nominated does not change his chances of going or staying.
Actually, it does. Assuming a) she really wants Michele to go and b) Jordan is just smart enough to listen to Jeff and vote to evict Kevin.

In this case, Kevin now has a 1 in 3 chance of staying, where he could have had a 1 in 2 chance of staying if Nat played. She could have totally controlled the vote by taking Kevin off and having him vote out Michele.
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