So the livefeeds came back up? So confused about the livefeed soituation in light of the previous mention of the livefeeds going down until Thursday.

There was no truth to the "rumor" that the feeds would be off until Thurs.

Of course, in the last hour I've gotten a few minutes of conversation and about 40 minutes of FISH or Trivia and for reasons I can't even understand.

Got this from Joker's:

I'm not understanding why this terrorist term is being thrown around... will be interesting to see how they edit the upcoming shows

Even with Lydia's craziness (great job casting this lunatic Grodner) that's still the plan (the Russell/Natalie factor...Lydia sucks at the competitions), at least between Jeff, Jordan and Michele. They just need those two votes to get it to a Jordan tiebreaker vote so I can't imagine both Russell or Kevin letting it get that far even if it's only for self preservation.

Edited to add...of course that's assuming Lydia doesn't get herself some penalty votes by Thursday which seems fairly likely at this point.

We all know Nat is going to be the target and unless she wins POV will go to jury house. If you think Lydia will let her go be alone with Jesse though you are not following this game at all. Lydia has all but given up on winning and now just wants to find the fastest way to the jury house. If Lydia gets POV she will take Nat down just so she gets to go be with Jesse. That is of course if she doesn't DOR before then.

Edit: Holy shit Lydia looks like a superhero clown now. They let her Dye her hair or is this a wig? She is nuts.

Wow this past week has been such a Shit Show. I Love it!!!!!!!

Note to Lydia's dad:

Sir, I know you being a police officer might be afraid of the repercussions of spanking your daughter with a belt. I have a belt somewhere, if not I will buy one. Just give me the word and I will straighten her out for you. If you are afraid of hearing her cry or scream, I also have a ball-gag.

If they need 7 for the jury won't someone need to come back?

America will get a vote. So if Jeff or Jordan get to the F2, it's already going to be 1-0.

Too easy. I'm not going there...

Have they announced that or is that assumed? America doesn't get to sit together with the other jurors and discuss. Nor do we get to ask the F2 any questions. Not really fair. They should just throw Casey back in there.

Tonight, Russell confirmed with both Jeff and then later with the girls that he wants that to be the final four. Given the contemplative mood he was in after the blow up/more terrorist crap this afternoon, I think he's actually being genuine this time. Too bad they don't really trust him. Michele and Jordan were already plotting Russell's demise in a few weeks.

The public may not get to discuss with the other jurors, but they can discuss with millions of other viewers all season long. We may not get to ask the F2 questions, but we do get a bird's eye view of all the action from start to finish. We know more about the F2 than anyone in the jury.

So Russell has you fooled too. Russell is playing the game 24/7 in there and is very good at it. He will use them as far as it benefits himself (which may well be the final 4), because he's there to win (and deserves it the most at this point). He's never lost sight of the game, unlike others who either have gone schizo or just want to "enjoy themselves." I think only him and Michelle deserve the money at this point, because they're the only one's that really understand the game. But just as things change in the house day to day, so may my opinion.

Edit: Add Kevin to that list up there. I'm watching AD right now and he's got some great ideas. As slim as his chances are, he hasn't thrown in the towel like the rest of his team has.

I just saw Lydia for the first time tonight. She looks like a fucking clown. A very sad, pathetic, sociopathic clown. And I'm not talking about her outfit.

Tonight Jordan told Russ and Michelle about Jessie and Lydia having sex (or handjobs, blowjobs or whatever) and using Natalie's ASU shirts to mop up the semen. And Natalie would find white crusty stuff on her clothes and wonder where it came from.

So if Kevin and Natalie start telling lies about Russ or Michelle, that sort of becomes a nuclear option.

Yeah that was pretty awesome, I was laughing pretty hard at those comments. One thing I didn't understand at the beginning was they cut from Jordan in the hoh room to the fish bowl saying we will be right back. ???WTF??? Is CBS and Showtime trying to keep Chima's demise under wraps until Tuesdays show?

Not according to Chima. She says BB and CBS are lying to us and she left the show on her own. At this point does anyone really believe a word that comes from this P.O.S. person?

I'm not fooled by Russell. I know he's playing the game. It just seemed more genuine this time, and I think there is a chance it might be. He really was upset about a lot of that BS yesterday. Like I mentioned though it doesn't matter b/c Michele and Jordan aren't buying it. They're using him to get further in the game and plotting his demise; they just know that they still need him.

Kevin's plan...and really it's is more Natalie's plan is a good try, but it has some flaws. The idea is case anyone doesn't know if for Kevin to go to Jeff and pretend he wants to align with Jeff and Jordan and then share a story that the girls don't want him to tell involving them hearing Michele and Russell plotting to get rid of Jeff next week so that they can be the dominant couple in the house. The goal is to try to get rid of Michele or Russell this week.

One...Jordan is HOH this week, not Jeff, and there is a difference. Jeff is also not quite as paranoid as Russell and doesn't like the house gossip as much. One of the selling points Kevin is going to use is that Natalie doesn't lie...uh yeah...Jeff's not going to buy that. Also another selling point is that the girls don't know he's doing this and don't want to get out. Why would they not want it to get out?

Finally, they are underestimating Jordan's bond with Michele. The idea behind is they thought Michele would be sleeping downstairs alone in the room with Russell, not upstairs with Jordan (where they thought Jeff would be). A week or so ago after she survived the Russell/Ronnie BS Michele made a smart strategic decision...she started telling Jordan (and sometimes Jeff, but it's really the same in this instance) everything she did in house after she did it. For instance, they knew all about her deal with Chima, and they know she broke her word to her to help Jeff and Jordan in the game. Also, Jordan already knows about her "final 2" deal with Russell she made yesterday. Jordan really trusts Michele at this point.

But at least their taking a shot, I suppose. Kevin should taken his shot two days ago when Michele essentially offered him sanctuary from the loons (and he could have slid right into Russell's spot). Now when this blows up in his face (and it probably will...it does involve a lie about Russell) he's increased his target.

I do agree though with one point made earlier. With Russell knowing about the Lydia/Jessie sex stuff, it's much more likely to get out now. That should be fun.

Didn't Russ already know about some of the sex stuff? I think after the first handjob Jessie came out and told Russ and Jeff who was there also. Then Lydia told Jordan and Jeff about the handjobs and the BJ as a secret. I don't believe anyone knows about the actual sex inside the house though.

Anyway, Jeff will see through the lies, he knows Nasty is a liar just by the green room lie alone. I honestly feel like the pieces are in place now for the final 4 to be J/J/M/R although I am not sure I like that combo.

I really didn't want Jordan to win it all, until I heard last night about her family losing their home. Regardless of the reasons, it seems like she is the one who would benefit from the win the most. Lydiot already has a successful career as a nanny that is sure to get better with her BB exposure, yes that is sarcasm. Doctor Michelle, nuff said. Russ wears expensive clothes so either he has money or his family does. Jeff is a model/actor and will no doubt get his travel channel show when this is over given how much America loved him.

The only thing that makes me wonder if Jordan is for real is that her boobs aren't. I don't know if she mentioned how she got them, but aren't implants like $10k? If she could afford that couldn't she have used the money to save the family house?

^ cosmetic surgery offices have multiple finance options available

most women make monthly payments on they titties (48 months is common)

Actually it was Kevin's plan, Natalie only chimed in about making up a lie (which is just dumb and may ruin Kevin's plan) after Kevin laid out his strategy. Kevin's plan was to make himself and Natalie/Lydia (whoever stays) a more attractive option to take to the final 4 than R/M. He wanted to tell J/J that if they committed to them, they would target R/M and that way J/J's hands would be clean for the jury votes. He added that if one of either M or R made it to the final 2 w/ Jeff or Jordan, that they (K/L/N and possibly Jessie) would all vote for Russell or Michelle (bc they outsmarted J/J).

This was Kevin's plan and is probably his smartest move. Natalie came up with telling some lie, which is just dumb and desperate. Kevin knows that L or N is leaving this week and he is just trying to move himself and N (or L) into Michelle and Russell's spot alongside J/J. Natalie is the one that started screwing up the plan with the lie and started talking about all 3 of them staying. She is delusional to think that will work, whereas Kevin was thinking more realistically.

Yeah, but Kevin's plan had little chance of success either. One, it's reliant upon them winning HOH, which is really the only way it can be enacted. Two it's reliant upon Jeff and Jordan being ok with Lydia or Natalie, instead of Michele.

Oh, I know there is slim chance of it working, but it's still a good plan. Kevin even admitted to how little chance it had to work. Any strategy on their part has a very tiny probability of actually working. That was my initial point, as much as the odds are against them, Kevin hasn't given up (unlike Natalie and Lydia).

Kevin should have cut bait or made some sort of deal when Michele talked to him a fairly open and honest way in the green room after she won HOH. Russell's spot was open and available to an aggressive game player. Instead, he continued to hang out with and visibly help the coven even after Michele nominated them.

Then Kevin should have cut bait or tried to make some sort of deal when he and Michele were the only two people up and awake in the kitchen the morning after Chima left (voluntary or otherwise). By that point, he had to see the futility of staying with the moron twins. Instead, he visibly helped them prepare and has hung out with them exclusively since Jordan won HOH.

It's probably too late now for Kevin. He's obviously smarter so Jordan and Michele are already planning on him going next after Natalie so they can drag the useless clown girl. His hope should be that they throw HOH (also being discussed) to get out Russell. I'm thinking a endurance challenge is coming next though. Hard to throw that to Kevin or Lydia.