I'm confused. How would "breaking the rules" by allowing Jeff/Michelle to give their winnings to Natalie for her vote only to have her still vote out Jeff be beneficial to Jeff/Jordan. Or are we now just working in conspiracies when they don't even make any sense?

My face would be the same then, as the Jury house goodbye messages are usually all still people playing the game and playing for a vote and saying stupid "nothing personal" bullshit messages. I'd be shocked if they laid anything out.

I know.. but I can hope.

Perhaps for the reunion show when the crown the winner then.

First, it was a hypothetical scenario that I said wouldn't ever happen. I bet you missed that part.

Second, making deals about prizes and potential winnings is against the rules. Making deals about the prize money is in the contract they sign as something that they can't do. Whether anyone would do anything or not to enforce that, I have no idea.

I didn't bring it up, I just added my opinion of what would likely happen if it did.

Obviously IF Natalie went to the trouble of asking the producers if she could keep the gifts in exchange for her vote, and I have NO IDEA if she did, then it would stand to reason that she would want the answer because she intended on keeping her word. Why bother asking for something to the higher ups if you aren't interested in getting the items??? IF she was to ever get the prizes, then obviously she would have had to keep her word.

I said it wouldn't happen, it won't happen, and Jeff will go home.

But that's not what's being discussed. As I read it, Nat was wanting to get the prizes from Jeff/Michelle in exchange for her vote, but still vote out Jeff and still get to keep the prizes they gave her. Thus the backstabbing part. Unless I'm reading it wrong. Maybe Winky can clarify.

Natalie told Kevin she wanted to get the gifts and still vote him out, but she also said that if she got the prizes, she'd have to consider voting for him.

Natalie wanted to keep the gifts and still vote out Jeff. That is her plan but I don't know if she is really going to do it.

In any case, it is not like they are physically getting the Hawaiian vacation certificate right now. Jeff may be awarded at the end of the show. Even if Natalie honors it by keeping Jeff this week, and after the show when Jeff finds out Natalie DR sessions, what if Jeff does not agree to give away his prize. How is BB going to enforce the agreement?

Below is the text from Morty's:

Yesterday Natalie cooked up a scheme to trick Jeff into giving her his Hawaiian vacation. After she got the prize, she was still going to vote him out, or was she? She teased Kevin that they could get him out next week. Kevin didn't like the tease, he's trusting Natalie less each day. Natalie expanded her plan to also trick Michele into giving her the TV she won in the PoV contest. Every time Natalie would talk about going to the DR to find out if her plan was within the rules, we'd get a FotH. Then, last night around 1:35AM, Natalie had a long talk with Michele, there was more FotH than talk for us viewers. It didn't appear their was a deal made, but it was difficult to tell. Natalie kept telling her that she needs Michele on her side to get rid of Kevin.

A legal moment:
It's interesting to consider that if Natalie defrauded someone of a $5000 TV outside of the BB house, you could haul her into court. She for instance, she took the TV in exchange for a service, like painting your house, and then didn't paint it. As long as the service was legal to perform, the verbal contract would be binding and enforceable by law. But what about within BB? Does their contract as performers on this show negate those rights? Could this case be fought in court after the show? Could you sue for damages above the cost of the TV, because the failure to fulfill the contract may have prevented you from winning $500K? I don't know the answer to these questions, but I do think CBS could make a good Christmas special out of the court case. [And yes, I'm aware others have broken promises too.]

Unfortunately no matter what was being discussed, there's no way that Jeff will still be around after tonight.

Not a chance. Lydia got applause and she was as vile and pathetic as can be. The audience is absolutely useless, I really have no idea why they are there.

I saw a report from a person who attended a live broadcast few weeks ago. It seems the production staff instructs the audience to not only cheer for the evicted HG, but they have to pretend to smile to the camera when they cheer.

Since Kevin is a flip-flopping tool, I still have last minute hope that he will be pissed enough at Natalie to vote out Jordan tonight. Then, Jeff can win HoH and slam Natalie and Kevin to the floor. Jeff and Michele F2. That is just.

I've said for the longest time, even when Team Jeff were in control that I felt this was going to be a nerd herd like season.

Nat wins HOH on a friggin' tiebreaker, stupid number question.

The Michele fans on the feeds seem pretty sure she's gone, but I'm not so sure.

POV is now all that matters for the rest of the houseguests. Nats in the final 3.

Personally, I think if Jordo wins POV she'd take Michele off and send Kevin home. Revenge for Jeff, she knows Michele is unpopular with the jury, deep down I think she likes her more, and I also think Michele would choose Jordan for f2.

Michele wins POV and sends Kevin home.

Kevin wins POV. He would know, going into the final 3, that he was no longer with Nat. Nat would pick Jordan and I think Jordan would pick Nat. So he'd be going into the finals down 2-1 and against people he's not sure he could even beat. He knows Michele would also probably take Jordan, but if he wins and chooses Michele, he would feel he was the winner. Tough call, but I say between Michele working him over and knowing Nat would go against him, I say he'd send Jordan home.

Nat wins POV and Michele goes home.

So I'm thinking there's at worst a 50/50 shot of Mich going to the f3 and possibly a 3 in 4 chance.

Anyone else? I will not be watching the feeds until AFTER POV. Michele would have won too, but she missed what I thought was the easiest question about fact or fiction, Jessie and Lydia are talking in the jury house. She put fiction. If she goes, that one question will be why.

The POV is live (along w/eviction) Tuesday night, so nothing will be spoiled by watching the feeds.

My take on the possible POV winners:

Natalie: keeps Kevin off the block and Kevin votes out Michelle (less competition in final 3 games)
Kevin: votes out Michelle (same reason)
Michelle: votes out Kevin (same reason)
Jordan: votes out Kevin (bc Jeff told her to and she doesn't have a mind of her own)

50/50 between Kevin and Michelle leaving.

I believe just the meeting is live, not the comp but I don't want to watch the feeds for fear of anything being spoiled. I have the feeds to get spoilers.

I simply can't bear to watch Nat as HOH.

We're close on our predictions. I totally know what you're saying about Kevin not wanting Michele as competition but I just think he's been waiting for a time for the paranoia to get to him and I think this might be the week it might happen.

Is it a lock that Michele will win anything in the F3? No. But it is a lock that if Jordan or Nat win the final comp, Kevin is done, so he has to win his way to the F2 no matter who he chooses, so why not choose someone that you can beat with the jury. I think you might argue that he could beat Jordan and, from the outside looking in, I if he won the Final HoH and took Jordan, he might win. But she's gonna get America's vote, Jeff's vote, and Michele's vote. The might make him nervous when I think he probably doesn't believe America would choose Michele and that everyone hates her. Personally, I think he could very well lose to Michele...I just don't think he thinks that.

added:
Oh, and while I know Michele has shown that she can't speak particularly well or artfully when she's in lying mode, if Kevin were to win POV, she'd promise him that she'd take him to F2 and that she'd lose to Jordan because she's "so liked and I'm so hated" and that Nat will crush her and she can't stand Nat. Then you think about just the feeling of going into the f3 (if it were against Jordo or Nat) knowing they're both not on your side, AND the feeling Kevin has that he can beat Michele in the end...that makes me lean towards Kevin keeping Michele.

THis one is for you Sheema! (insert vomit smilie here)

What a freaking waste of space Natalie is....
Heres hoping Michelle wins POV and takes out Kevin and Michelle/Jordan final 2 with Michelle pulling out the win.

The veto competition, veto meeting, evicition, and beginning of the 3 part final HOH competition are on on Tuesday's live show.

I'm 99.999999% sure that Jordan will be in the final 2. Everyone in that house knows that no one in their right might would vote for Jordan to win and think they are being fair, so everyone should want to take her. She might get a pity vote from Jeff, but that's it.

Try and be positive, please. Maybe Michele wins or maybe somehow Jordan can win her way to the F2 and then have a much better case (although I'm just sure she'd screw it up with her answers to the jury) with 1 HOH (given to her), 1 POV (she cheated on), and maybe, MAYBE a couple of more wins.

THAT "might" give her a fighting chance against Kevin, because as much as I hate to admit it, the lies and most of the damage has been done by Nat. That said, she's never gonna to be considered an every good player by BB standards because no one has had the benefit of people as stupid and easily fooled as Jeff and Jordan. And then there's the bad move with Russ, but no one should forget that they got Lydia out when they had the chance to get that little skank out. Horrible playing all around. If Kevin or Nat win, it's by default. Same probably if Jordan someone wins a couple of challenges and then pulls it out. Only Michele can win a challenge or two and go to the final as a pretty strong player.

If Kevin wins the veto, Michele just needs to make a final 2 deal with him. He knows she hates Natalie, and Natalie hates her. Why not be in a final 3 where you don't have to win? If it was Michele and him in the third part, he could even throw it to get rid of Natalie and her jury votes. Still, I think the point from two weeks ago still holds. It would be a big move for Kevin, and I don't know if he has the balls to do it. Certainly, Natalie would be pissed.

I won't be watching feeds either. Who cares? The only thing that matters is veto. Natalie's power trip, boasting, and lies don't really matter anymore (I'm just guessing...I haven't read any feed reports).

Natalie told Kevin earlier in the week that she would nominate him to try to secure Jordan. We'll see if that holds true.

I love how Lydia was mad at Natalie, yet she was perfectly fine with Jessie. That girl is fucked. Hopefully she never has kids.

This season sucks.

BB production needs to realize the only thing to save this season is to make the POV all about Neuroscience.

That's what I had to do last year when Steven was voted off.

Chris

Well...she never went down on Nat. So maybe that has some sway. (Not that she wouldn't have though given the opportunity. ) Seeing her tonight made me realize I didn't miss her in the slightest. Good lord she's horrible. Her and Jessie are perfect for each other.

Nat just said "OH! I got my wine!"

HEY DUMBFUCKS LEFT IN THE HOUSE! SHE'S BEEN SAYING SHE'S 18! WHEN SHE'S GETTING ALCOHOL FROM BB THAT SHOULD BE A FUCKIGN CLUE! LAUGHING, ISN'T THE PROPER RESPONSE.

Finally Nat can get vengence for Chima and her own self destruction AND, most importantly, she did it "without breaking her word"! Jesus I hate her. You know who constantly says they don't lie and keep their word? Liars.

Has there ever been a dumber housemate than Jordan? Natalie is telling her that she is going to put Kevin up and Jordan is taking the bait. Dumb ass, we know you can't think for yourself, but it was just explained to you a couple days ago that nominations mean absolutely nothing this week.

Natalie's HOH room should be a big give-away. She had a stuffed bear wearing a graduation cap and there are pictures of her "older" boyfriend. She, of course, has been "covering" like crazy.....