Yeah, but I think that's more the case of her not playing veto meaning something rather than her nominations. The nominations themselves still don't really mean anything. She just decreased the odds of Kevin staying by not playing to try to save him. Since I don't really see Jordan winning the usual timeline FF POV, I think it will probably come down to Kevin vs Michele. Let's hope Michele's memory is not quite as bad as she likes to contend.

I do think her giving up playing for veto increases the chances that Kevin will align with and save Michele if he wins veto. Kevin would have to be really blind to not see that as a sign that Natalie doesn't care about his fate in the game.

I'd like for this to happen, but I'm wondering how it would really benefit Kevin. If he wins veto and sends Michele home, he's going to the final 3 with 2 players who won't want to pick him in the end, but he'll see himself as the stronger of the 3.

If he does go with Michele, he STILL goes into the final 3 with 2 people that won't want to sit next to him in the final 2 and he's bringing the strongest player left and probably the favorite to win the endurance comp, the usual part one of the final HOH.

Am I missing something? Because I'm trying to run anything in my head that would get Michele to the final 2. Based on Jeff's outgoing interview and comments made about who has played the best, I think if Michele wins even one more comp, pov or any of the HOH and makes the finals, she wins BB despite how much the houseguests have seemed to unfairly paint her as the villain or the crazy one in the house.

And so it begins (final POV).....

I think the problem with Natalie is that the only person to win against her is Jordan but she doesn't see that. I don't think she beats Michele if Kevin doesn't leave this week, but he'll vote for her if he leaves now. I do think that Michele is leery of Natalie being F2 with her because the Jury might vote personally.

I think it's in Kevin's best interest to get rid of Jordan, who gets America's vote for sure.

I think it just comes down to the fact that Michele and Natalie don't like each other. If you're Natalie, why would you pick Michele over Kevin. Michele has won too many competitions. If you're Michele, why pick Natalie, she potentially has too many friends. Plus, I don't think they would want to have the other win $50,000, much less risk them winning $500,000.

Also, if you're Kevin, don't you have to worry about Natalie winning and taking Jordan. Against Michele and Natalie, Kevin is basically guaranteed final 2.

Let's hope POV makes this irrelevant, or in the words of Jessie...obsolete.

Well, I'm now officially done with the show.

Kevin won POV.

I wonder how much the ratings will go in the toilet if it's the two douches in the final two.

If Kevin wins the game it's fine by me, but it sucks that Michelle is going home. After seeing the video of her family I kinda wanted her to win. Sucks. I just hope Natalie doesn't win. I have no favorites anymore, I just want that disgusting, annoying **** out of the house.

Natalie's now comparing herself to Dan from last season, and its pretty much decided Michelle's going home (though they'll make her think, -as they did with Jeff, -that's there's a chance she's staying).

Could things possibly get more unappetizing...?

Dan had charm and wit..Natalie not so much. I'm not reading the updates or watching the feeds, but I don't understand that.

I know why Natalie wants to do this (she's a sociopath), but why in the world would Kevin want to "play with his food" before he gets rid of her? Is he trying to piss Michele off to lose her jury vote? What does he possibly gain by it other than cruel pleasure?

If he's not going to keep Michele, he would be far better served by acknowledging what she did in the game and that she's too big of a threat to keep. He doesn't have to keep playing for Natalie to win. I'm very disappointed in Kevin, and I have been for a while now.

If Michele goes, I probably won't watch anymore this year. There would no longer be a possible positive outcome. Even Jordan winning would be tough to stomach from a game playing perspective.

The only positive side I see in Natalie winning is that hopefully the producers will be smart enough to never bring her back for an all stars show, or to make any appearances in the house next summer. Knowing how much America hates her guts. I hate to think who is going to try and copy the way she played the game in future seasons. The only reason I might tune in to the finale is to see what will be a very heated reunion show.

Was that the most awkward marriage propasal ever? Did those two just meet?

Maybe her boyfriend figures this will help her win America's vote (if that's still how they're handling Chima's vote) or the $25K prize.

Whatever. How could he like a **** like that?

Seriously! He cries and she is completely fucking emotionless. Although, maybe it's because her "I'm 18" lie pales in comparison to the one she tells him about not being a lesbian.

I have every AD ep. since Wednesday sitting unwatched on my DVR. Is there anything worth seeing to which I should watch any of them?

Kevin should make a deal with Michelle that he will save her and vote out Jordan if Michelle will take him to the final 2 if she wins the next competition. Natalie doesnt seem to want to do anything to help him get there.

If you want to see the hot body of Natalie from the last couple of nights (tonight included) then keep then and fast forward to the good parts.

Though I have to say, last nights 'fashion' episode was kind of interesting. I only watched about 10 minutes of it, since I'm not gay and I'm not a woman.

Chris

No. There really hasn't been anything of note. And unless Michelle and Jordan get so bored they start making out, there isn't going to be.*

* Of course, knowing the producers, they'd probably cut away. I caught a few minutes toward the end of tonight's BBAD and Michelle decides she's going to strip to her underwear and get in the pool, -and they cut to the other two d-bags playing cards.

Tonight's conversation around the hot tub (while Jordon scrapes skin off her foot into the hot tub) was a perfect example of how not to play Big Brother. It was a combination of dumb and dumber with Jordan clearly the dumbest. I only listened to about 20 minutes before I felt my brain melting. To summarize what I heard (conversation between Natalie, Jordan and Kevin):

Kevin seems like his mind is made up to keep Michelle (which IS his best chance at final making final 2) and he's basically letting Jordan and Natalie know this.

Natalie and Jordon both threaten Kevin that Michelle will get their vote if K&M are final 2.

Jordan tells both Kevin and Natalie (while all sitting together) that she is scared that K&N will take each other to the F2 if she is in F3 with them. (Basically saying that she thinks both of them should take her....IN FRONT OF BOTH OF THEM). But she's too dumb to realize what she was saying.

So, I think Kevin's mind is made up to keep Michelle and their threats probably only pushed him further in that direction. His only mistake tonight was that he shouldn't have let it be known (unless Natalie didn't catch on) that he wants to keep Michelle. Now that just gives Natalie a few extra days to start working on Michelle for a F2.

However, in conversations where its just Natalie and Kevin, they seem to indicate that they're just stringing Michelle along, and that they'll keep Jordan, with their desired goal to be in the Final Two together. Natalie and Kevin tend to orchestrate scenarios, -like telling Jordan that Michelle's been talking crap about her, -and then carrying it out as planned. Unless they're lying to each other, and they wouldn't do that, would they?

I will be astonshed if Jordan's out of the game Tuesday instead of Michelle.

Who knows really? But the thing about the hot tub conversation is that Michelle was not present to string along. It was only K/N/J.

I've always said that Jordan (unfortunately) would be in the finals no matter what. That's why I was surprised by Kevin...and Jordan didn't help her position at all. Kevin benefits the most by keeping Michelle though. If he keeps Jordan, he has to win HOH to make final 2. Natalie and Jordan will take each other. If he keeps Michelle, he has a chance to go to the finals with whoever wins.

As for the word of the night, that goes to Jordan "revengeance"

Wow, I haven't turned on my feeds, haven't been to Jokers...nothing.

Just check in here and while there is possibly some good news, most of what I read makes me want to blow my head off.

These people are terrible game players. As has been stated not only here, but in national magazine articles, Natalie and Kevin don't just lie to advance in the game or to work on some master plan, but they lie just for the sake of lying. Both of them are miserable people and Kevin hasn't gotten nearly enough "credit" for his share of hate and cruelty inflicted in the house. Maybe he's just been so overshadowed by so many other scummy people, but that guy is pretty damned spiteful.

As far as this season goes, sure Kevin and Natalie did use lying and having half a brain to their advantage, but by the time they really needed to do anything they were dealing with a paranoid Jeff who has a partner who's truly the dumbest person to have entered the doors of the BB house and that's saying a lot.

Michele is a trooper and probably the best of the bunch, but even her social awkwardness and serious lack of knowing how to play the game and work people has made her journey much more difficult than it needed to be and painful to watch. If she had even some really people skills and tools for this kind of game, she could have saved Russell. Of course, if Russ had any game, he could have saved himself.

I hate the guy, but I think Jessie might have been the only person cast this season who knew how to play BB and he'd been on the show before.

I don't recall a season this bad (not counting the first season) including the nerd herd season. Yes, I hated those people, but there were quite a few people in the cast who played the game well and made a mistake here or there that cost them. This season is just bubbling and stumbling all the way to the finals with no one REALLY worthy of winning other than by default.

I did not like Evel Dick. I didn't find his behavior acceptable, despite how popular he was in general. But he had game. He also was self aware and would mock himself and articulate things in the DR than none of these people can do and he had some friggin' competition. People compared notes. Jordan just eats. Michele seems frightened and the other two are just nasty and rolling forward.

As an outsider, I can't see how Natalie and Kevin think it's in their advantage to be sitting next to one another in the finals. I truly hope Kevin takes Michele, but what little I heard after POV (when I decided I was done unless Michele goes to the final 3) really made me think Natalie and Kevin will go together. Kevin might think about doing something, but he'd chicken out. Natalie is the more likely of the two to do something "ballsy" (she is a man), so maybe she, if Jordan is there, takes her. I don't think Jordan can win a thing, so it will probably come down to a stupid question game, so Kevin and Nat (if K/N/J) would be even odds to win that.

I'd really like it if Kevin realized taking Michele to the final 3 gives him the better chance at final 3, but I just can't see it happening. I, personally, think Michele would win against anyone in the F2, but I don't know if anyone in the house really thinks that.

I hate this season. (Go Michele)

added later:

Checked some of the updates from jokers and it just made me want to pull clumps of my hair out. Like Jordan genuinely believing Natalie is now probably American's favorite because Jessie's been gone for a while and because of the engagement thing and that people were getting to see her sweet side. Only Jordan could believe Natalie has a sweet side after spending the whole summer with that miserable ass.

What have you been smoking?

I'd be shocked if Natalie turned out to NOT be a lesbian. She's either in denial, closeted or that whole proposal was staged to deceive America.