I can't believe you guys are still watching this. Sorry, but it just kept getting worse and worse until I couldn't take it anymore. Last night, rather than watch BBAD when nothing else good was on, I went to bed. I miss the show when it was good, but it hasn't been good for weeks now. As much as I hate to say it, Jeff and Jordan ruined this season as much as Jessie did. Jeff had the game firmly in hand and he was too stupid to know what to do. None of these people besides Michelle deserve the money.

I don't disagree with you about Jeff and Jordan's game-play, -they clearly blundered. In fact this season has been filled with one bad play after another leaving us in the situation we're in. However, Michelle really didn't play that much better. Michelle never conquered "The Social Game", and while she won a few early comps, when it came down to crunch time, -when it was all on the line, -she dropped the ball.

Don't get me wrong, -if she was staying she'd be my choice. She seems like a decent enough person with a lot of conflicts bubbling under the surface, and she was really badly treated by a lot of people in the house.

I hate what I see as the end of this game.

And Michele would be the first one to agree with you. She had her chance in those competitions, and she didn't win. She said as much after she didn't win veto on Saturday.

Supposedly, there were some irregularities in that veto competition on Saturday. Not that the show will ever recognize them, but apparently part of the competition was only working correctly for Kevin.

Someone on another board was writing that "Kevin cheated!" without explaining. I know Michelle was beating herself up because she thought she had it right (but she didn't apparently) , and that Jordan never "got" it and blew the comp entirely.

Grodner ruined this season with casting.

This.

Hopefully, we can stop with the whole recruiting stupid people who don't understand the show. I'm sure you can find a representative and interesting cast based on people who actually apply.

According to Kevin, the producers are leaning on him hard to keep Michelle rather than Jordan. Of course, the producers also wanted Jeff to keep Russell and look at how well that worked out.

As far as casting goes, I think their big mistake was being led by this "Clique" idea.

Yep. I'm so tired of the fucking twist at the begining. Put the people in the house and do twists throughout the season, but the umbrella themes always fuck up the show in my opinion.

After doing nothing other than toying with Jordan and Michele for "fun" (the decision was made a long time ago), Kevin told Jordan this afternoon that she's GUCCI (please try and not vomit). She promised him a f2 deal in return (if she somehow wins HOH, she'd be stupid to honor it, but stupid is what Jordan is there for).

So, unless Kevin is fooling everyone, Michele is gone.

Also read on Jokers that BB lost half of its audience from the previous 2 Sunday episodes after Jeff got the boot and Nat won HOH.

A Kevin/Nat finale should get a few hundred viewers.

I think another big problem I've had with this end game is the fact that everything Kevin/Nat do is for show with no purpose. I know it's been stated here many times, but the one point of the show where we're suppossed to really get the honesty, the DR sessions, even those feature Kevin lying. The footage has been him doubting Nat and listing reasons why he shouldn't take her, but ultimately we all know by his other actions that he will most likely still take her to the end. So even the small draw of watching the show to at least see the DR sessions and see where people's heads are really at is completely pointless as they're all lies too.

I just wish the finale was tonight. I want to see the extended reunion (even though I'm sure everyone will still be pussies on there anyway) and be done with it.

Actually, to put it in perspective they only lost 1.79m viewers and the reason this last Sunday was a lot lower than the previous Sunday's is that it was Labor Day weekend and viewership is always lower.

I'm sure viewership is lower in the 100,000's of thousands because Jeff is no longer on and most of them are women that have the hots for him.

Look at when he was evicted. Every woman in the BB audience gave him a standing ovation and they were drooling over everything he said.


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Chris

Naw. There's more Gay/Lesbians out there in TV Land than that.

That doesn't mean shit. Look at the ovation Lydia got. I think they are heavily encouraged to applaud, no matter who it is.

As I said before, when I was in the audience they really encouraged us to applaud, but this is the first time I can remember a standing ovation.

Chris

Ugh... on a Twitter BB11 feed, they posted the HoH blog link.. nastalie continues to be her nasty self.. Saying Michelle has played a dirty game that crossed a line. Unless there is a ton of stuff that isn't being shown, I don't think Michelle has played that dirty or nasty.

Kevin and Nastalie have been far, far worse.

And if Michelle does go home tonight, I end my BB11 watching. Jordon is boring and not fun to watch. K & N are just bad.. far, far worse then the nerd herd/cappy heads from whatever season taht was.

All I am hoping for at this point is that they can get Nat out, and the final two either Kevin, Jordan, or Michelle. I blame the casting as well for such a shitty season. Jordan and Jeff had complete control of this game, then made the dumbass decision that the people who were against them the whole game were more trustworthy than their own alliance. Dumbasses

I think one big mistake that J/J made was getting rid of Lydia instead of Natalie. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that seemed like a last minute thing, -I thought they'd put her outburst behind them and were targeting Natalie (since Lydia was essentially a non-threat as a competitor). I kind of always blamed producer interference for that one ( the Diary Room was definitely messing with his head, just like they do with everyone else). Still, I thought that was a blunder on a par with Ronnie not getting rid of Russell when he had the chance.

Natalie and Kevin feel that Lydia took a bullet for them and saved their asses.

Casting is certainly part of the problem, though you can never predict game-play. Ronnie should have been good, but all his scheming couldn't deal with Russell's impulsiveness (his self-destructive hair-trigger). Jessie is actually a good player, because he's very much like a cat (he sleeps 13 hours a day, low-key, and accepts/expects fawning but gives back almost nothing). However, he's self-possessed and off-putting, -only good when he's in control (the sleeping thing), -and America, wisely, just can't stand him. Jeff was a good-looking lunkhead with a good sense of humor, -until he got under pressure, which brought out his bad qualities.

Jordan really shouldn't have been cast because while she's generally a nice girl, the game is over her head, nor should they have have cast Michelle (smart girl, seems pleasant, but a lot of baggage and she keeps everything bottled inside, which makes her bad for this game).

Michele made one really shady move...nominating Chima. Aside from that she's played a relatively clean/fair game. As it turns out I consider that nomination to be her biggest mistake in the game as well. While Chima was a threat to Jeff and Russell, Natalie was always HER biggest threat.

As for Lydia going over Natalie...I don't know how you can call that a bad move. I mean Lydia called Jordan fat. Clearly that meant she was a HUGE threat in the game. It was sort of last minute, but Russell is the one that got the reprieve not Natalie. Unfortunately, by that point J/J were drinking the Natalie Kool-aid, b/c unlike everyone else she had never lied or gone against her word in the game.

As for the cast...Ronnie could have been good, but he overplayed so badly in the beginning he made himself a huge target. Jessie played better this time around, but he still couldn't help the fact that he's just a colossal douche. His eviction was only a matter of time. Jeff was bad at the game. Jordan, while dumb, had decent instincts after the Ronnie blow up, but she lost all of those in her HOH week and still hasn't really gotten them back.

Russell tried to combine too many differing strategies. Laura overplayed her hand and talked too much. Casey talked too much. Unfortunately for Michele it probably wasn't a good time in her life for her to deal with this much stress. It's pretty clear she's still pretty messed up, presumably over the very recent death of her younger brother.

And they're still going!

Wow, what if Jordan were to win HOH.

Chris

She dropped. She's SO disappointing.

It would be a miracle if she won the next two comps.

Kevin would be smart to take Jordan if he wins HOH, but, honestly, he's the winner against Natalie too if he wins 2 of 3 comps added to what he's already done.

Give her a break. She lasted 3 and 1/2 hours.

I still hope Kevin sticks to his flip promises and takes Jordan after part 3.

Because we've all seen that Kevin keeps to his flip promises.... He's going to take Nastalie as he always will. Even when he doubted her and basically told himself he'd be better off keeping othre people, he still sticks to his word to Nastalie.

Yeah...honestly I expected Jordan to be off the log before the network show was off the air last night, so she definitely gave it a go. And she fell by losing her footing with the log going faster than she anticipated, so it's not like she gave up. Good effort I say.

Unfortunately though Vryce is right. Like I said, even Kevin's DR sessions are lies. He has been planning and will take Natalie to the end. No question. I'd be completely shocked to see it go any other way. Now everybody just needs to make their empty promises with Jordan on the way way off chance she wins the final HOH. Which would be hilarious.

I have lost all desire to watch the remainder of this show. I actually get more enjoyment out of reading all of the complaints in these 2 topics.

And there goes the Jokers theory that the audience is erroding due to Natalie advancing.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.a...=20090909cbs06

Don't you know people love to watch shows when they have someone to hate. So if the hate for Natalie is as large as everyone here is talking about that is why people are watching Big Brother in record #'s last night. They were hoping that Natalie might fail at something.

Of course they don't know what happened last night with the HOH, but I'm sure we will see even bigger #'s on Thursday night's episode.

Chris