Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
#1401
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
I agree that she plays the victim card a lot too and always seems to have some sort of a beef. You’re the most successful artist in the modern era.. I think you’re just fine and hardly a victim.
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Bob_Bobbson (04-24-24)
#1402
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
I actually really respect Fantano and often agree with him. I certainly wouldn't characterize him as a 'hater'. And he may have some valid points here (especially on moving on from Jack as producer). But I'm not going to speculate on how hard it might feel to Taylor to get criticism of everything she does in her personal life, nor am I going to criticize her for writing song that honestly reflect to her how she was feeling at that time.
She's in a much happier place now and hopefully her next album will reflect that, and be more upbeat and more catchy.
She's in a much happier place now and hopefully her next album will reflect that, and be more upbeat and more catchy.
#1403
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
Okay the best podcast series on Taylor Swift -- Every Single Album : Taylor Swift just put up their new podcast on the new album - it's over 2 hours long. I'm going to go jog and listen to it now.
#1404
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
I am endlessly fascinated by the cult-like obsession with Swift, but I just don't "get" her music at all and she always comes off as phony and affected. Doesn't strike me as being much different than any number of pop tarts out there.
#1405
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
It's her shtick, just as much as Gwar's costumes, Kiss' make-up, or any number of heavy metal bands adorning themselves with inverted crosses and pentagrams.
I am endlessly fascinated by the cult-like obsession with Swift, but I just don't "get" her music at all and she always comes off as phony and affected. Doesn't strike me as being much different than any number of pop tarts out there.
I am endlessly fascinated by the cult-like obsession with Swift, but I just don't "get" her music at all and she always comes off as phony and affected. Doesn't strike me as being much different than any number of pop tarts out there.
Last edited by Mike86; 04-21-24 at 09:05 PM.
#1406
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
Peppa Pig dissing TPD by posting a (since-deleted) Tweet with a higher Pitchfork score for their album. 

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Bob_Bobbson (04-24-24)
#1407
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
1. The Pitchfork TTPD review score is fake; they gave it a 6.6, not a 6.0.
2. The official Peppa Pig post was also fake, not deleted. Plus, that review is from 2021... and by a different writer. Probably someone who was laid off recently.
3. The Pitchfork reviewer set her twitter account to private; people say because of the 'backlash' but who really knows. People go private for all sorts of reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if it's because of assholes telling her she's wrong, though.
4. From the review (which is worth reading):
2. The official Peppa Pig post was also fake, not deleted. Plus, that review is from 2021... and by a different writer. Probably someone who was laid off recently.
3. The Pitchfork reviewer set her twitter account to private; people say because of the 'backlash' but who really knows. People go private for all sorts of reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if it's because of assholes telling her she's wrong, though.
4. From the review (which is worth reading):
It’s not Swift’s fault that we’re so obsessed with her, but this album gives the impression that she can’t quite hear herself over the roar of the crowd. Tearjerkers like “So Long, London” and “loml” fall short when every lyric carries equal weight. There’s no hierarchy of tragic detail; these songs fail to distill an overarching emotional truth, tending to smother rather than sting. It would help if Swift were exploring new musical ideas, but she is largely retreading old territory—unsurprising, perhaps, given that the last three years of her life have been consumed by re-recording her old albums and touring her past selves. The new music is colored in familiar shades of Antonoff (sparse drum programming, twinkly synths) and Dessner (suppler, more strings). Songs sound like other songs—“I Can Do It With a Broken Heart” like Midnights’ “Mastermind”; the intro of “So Long, London” like that of Folklore’s “My Tears Ricochet.” Her melodies feel staid, like they are made to fit the music, rather than the other way around.
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If Swift believes that output for its own sake is what she has to offer, she underestimates her gift. Listeners who believe that her every ounce of experience is inherently interesting—because she was the one to have it—misunderstand her as well. Taylor Swift doesn’t need a whole album to tell the story of a relationship; she only needs one song, sometimes even one line. She almost has it in Tortured Poets’ title track, with the tossed-off brilliance of “We’re modern idiots.” She’s nearly there with the vignette, which needs a bit more burnishing, about her man slipping a ring from her middle to her eager left ring finger at dinner. You can see what she’s chasing here: the moment in time that triggers a flash of feeling that lasts forever—the sort of thing people call Swiftian. We’ve been students of Swift’s poetry for years. The lesson of The Tortured Poets Department is not to push through the pain—it’s to take the time to process it.
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If Swift believes that output for its own sake is what she has to offer, she underestimates her gift. Listeners who believe that her every ounce of experience is inherently interesting—because she was the one to have it—misunderstand her as well. Taylor Swift doesn’t need a whole album to tell the story of a relationship; she only needs one song, sometimes even one line. She almost has it in Tortured Poets’ title track, with the tossed-off brilliance of “We’re modern idiots.” She’s nearly there with the vignette, which needs a bit more burnishing, about her man slipping a ring from her middle to her eager left ring finger at dinner. You can see what she’s chasing here: the moment in time that triggers a flash of feeling that lasts forever—the sort of thing people call Swiftian. We’ve been students of Swift’s poetry for years. The lesson of The Tortured Poets Department is not to push through the pain—it’s to take the time to process it.
#1408
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
She got Rodrigo Prieto the Barbie and Killers of the Flower Moon cinematographer for the Fortnight video.
#1409
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
Just checking in to see if she released another variant with new bonus tracks today.
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Bob_Bobbson (04-24-24)
#1410
DVD Talk Hero
#1412
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
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DVD Talk Hero
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#1415
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
“Track by Track” commentary version is now up on Amazon Music. There is not, in fact, a commentary for every song; There’s an album intro, an album outro, and intro/commentaries for 5 songs plus a completely random 3 second “here’s another track from my album” song intro.
#1416
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
That new hat was pretty enticing. Second biggest opening week album sales ever - 2.6M copies, behind only Adele 25.
#1417
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
Again though while she definitely is popular and moves units I wonder how many of those sales are from people buying multiple copies for different artwork and bonus tracks. A lot of her fans are diehard so that’s potentially four copies sold.
#1418
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
Another record : Taylor becomes the first artist to occupy the top 14 slots on the Billboard Hot 100 spots. Imagine how weird the American Top 40 program would be, if it were still on the air. 

#1420
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
#1421
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
All 31 tracks are in the top 55 for the week.




#1422
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
Since streams now count when it comes to the charts I wish radio would have counted back in the day. I am terrible at math but Stairway To Heaven has been played on radio at least 3 billion times so each person on the planet that heard it one of those times should have been counted. So let's just say that Stairway To Heaven, You Shook Me All Night Long, Dust In The Wind and Start Me Up each stand at over a trillion listens.
#1423
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
I think Drake made the template. He releases a double album years ago that had some pretty bad songs but still dominated the charts because of the volume. If you are a big artist there is little reason to be selective with tracks if you are looking to maximize profits.
#1424
DVD Talk God
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
Grandma in New Mexico shoots a would be robber who interrupts her and her granddaughter watching the Taylor Swift movie.
#1425
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
Today was the first concert post-TPD. Taylor has added a new Era. She also combined folklore and evermore together, which is a smart move. Took out some other songs as well. Here's the new setlist, with 7 TPD songs per night (+/- a surprise song or two)



