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Old 11-28-12 | 03:35 PM
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Re: The Hobbit

Wanting to see some reviews about the movie itself, not how great it looked.
Old 11-28-12 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
Wanting to see some reviews about the movie itself, not how great it looked.
You are not going to get those until the embargo is lifted. This was to ease concerns when everyone efreaked out at some test footage of the 48fps at cinemacon.
Old 11-28-12 | 03:53 PM
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When does the embargo lift?
Old 11-28-12 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
When does the embargo lift?
December 3rd
Old 11-28-12 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SomethingMore
None of these are near by?
The Sterling Heights MJR is, but the last time I checked the list of available theaters, it wasn't on there, and even though the AMC Livonia isn't anywhere near me (and Livionia is a city, not in or really near Detroit proper, so it's funny that that one is listed as Detroit), the last time I checked AMC's list, they didn't have anything in Michgan. Thanks, and where is the list that you pulled this from?
Old 11-28-12 | 07:48 PM
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Old 11-28-12 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay G.
Bryan Singer praised it.

Also, there's this.
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012...ment-706505601
Roger Ebert has written about his preference for a higher frame rate over 3D as well.
Old 11-29-12 | 12:49 AM
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I stand corrected; if they showed critics un-corrected footage in HFR months back, that was a dumb move since it caused bad press at first.
Old 11-29-12 | 03:18 PM
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Correlating 48 fps to interpolated 120hz refresh seems misguided. Two completely different things, one truly contains double the amount of information, the other is electronic trickery. I'll reserve judgment until I see it.
Old 11-29-12 | 03:53 PM
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Is there any reason that 24 fps is better other than that's what was always used? Was it chosen because film looked the best for the human eye at that particular rate? If not, then I don't get why people think 24 is the magic number.
Old 11-29-12 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by arminius
Is there any reason that 24 fps is better other than that's what was always used? Was it chosen because film looked the best for the human eye at that particular rate? If not, then I don't get why people think 24 is the magic number.
24fps was chosen as a standard around the time that sound was introduced (before that, slient films were shot and projected at a variety of speeds). The speed was chosen as the slowest possible while still maintaining the illusion of motion. This was to save money on film.

People mainly like 24fps because they're used to it; films have been that speed for nearly a century. Also, when TV was introduced, it ran at 50/60hz, or around 25/30fps. The faster framerate of video gave it smoother motion, but it initially had lots of other drawbacks. Unfotunately, people are now so used to faster framerates being associated with "cheap" video that the new higher framerates for cinema are being associated with cheap video as well.

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Old 11-29-12 | 05:02 PM
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Yeah. Always makes me chuckle that they just chose the standard for the simplest of reasons.
Old 12-02-12 | 12:25 AM
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I'm almost finished re-reading the book and am so amped to see the film in theaters. I can't wait. I'm sort of surprised that the buzz is only finally starting to build up a couple of weeks before release considering the first trilogy were a big deal when they were first released. Granted, the last film was released almost 10 years ago and most of the new breed of filmgoers were young and didn't care, but for us older folks, they were the shit. I guess it's been a very congested year of films.

In reading the book - Gandalf and Thorin Oakenshield are going to kick so much ass - it will be ridiculous.
Old 12-02-12 | 01:05 AM
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On a side note: I know Thorin Oakenshield is being played by Richard Armitage from "Strike Back," but I swear he sounds just like Matthew Macfadyen from "Ripper Street" and "Three Musketeers." I wonder if Macfayden is doing Thorin's voiceover? I initially thought Macfayden was playing Thorin because of the voice.
Old 12-02-12 | 09:24 AM
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Re: The Hobbit

Originally Posted by Jay G.
24fps was chosen as a standard around the time that sound was introduced (before that, silent films were shot and projected at a variety of speeds). The speed was chosen as the slowest possible while still maintaining the illusion of motion. This was to save money on film.

People mainly like 24fps because they're used to it; films have been that speed for nearly a century. Also, when TV was introduced, it ran at 50/60hz, or around 25/30fps. The faster framerate of video gave it smoother motion, but it initially had lots of other drawbacks. Unfortunately, people are now so used to faster framerates being associated with "cheap" video that the new higher framerates for cinema are being associated with cheap video as well.
Not only that, but projecting film actually at just 24fps (24Hz) on large screens produces a noticeable flicker effect. However, a workaround to this problem is to project each frame twice in row (or 48Hz, and some even show each frame 3x for a 72Hz rate), which is how movies have been projected ever since to solve the flicker problem. Without this simple workaround for the flicker problem, movies would've had to go to a higher frame rate almost a century ago.

( Wikipedia entry on this )
Old 12-02-12 | 11:48 AM
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Not only that, but projecting film actually at just 24fps (24Hz) on large screens produces a noticeable flicker effect. However, a workaround to this problem is to project each frame twice in row (or 48Hz, and some even show each frame 3x for a 72Hz rate), which is how movies have been projected ever since to solve the flicker problem. Without this simple workaround for the flicker problem, movies would've had to go to a higher frame rate almost a century ago.

( Wikipedia entry on this )
A good point, one I mentioned months ago when HFR first came up. I also went into more detail. Basically, discussing framerate in film can be a massive rabbit hole to fall into, but the decision to go with 24fps was initially an economic one, not an aesthetic one, and theirs nothing inherently wrong with going with a higher framerate.
Old 12-03-12 | 10:25 AM
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Embargo gets lifted tonight at 9pm PST.

This guy apparently is with the Writers Guild, so I guess he isn't on a embargo. Full review:

http://whichwayisawesome.blogspot.co...it-review.html

10/10

But what has finally emerged is a towering epic on par with the first three films in the series; a masterclass in fantasy filmmaking with some of the best, most authentic genre setpieces filmed this year. Say what you will about Jackson as a director, but no one can deny that his style and sensibility is perfectly suited to this kind of movie. He allows us to believe, for a fleeting moment, in a world populated by giant eagles and tree people that coexist with wizards, demons and elves. The movie is imbued with the same spirit of fellowship and brotherhood, as well as the humor and gravitas, that marked both the Tolkien works and the first series of films. I'm so glad to have these movies back, and I'm even happier to report that this first one makes me feel like we never left.
Old 12-03-12 | 10:40 AM
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9PM PST??? Why so late? That will be midnight in my neck of the woods.
Old 12-03-12 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
9PM PST??? Why so late? That will be midnight in my neck of the woods.
dunno..but hopefully the reviews are all ready to go and they just flood on in.
Old 12-03-12 | 10:44 AM
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I just hope it's not because they are negative and they want to sit on them as long as possible, but then again, if such were the case, they wouldn't want them out close to two weeks ahead of time.
Old 12-03-12 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
I just hope it's not because they are negative and they want to sit on them as long as possible, but then again, if such were the case, they wouldn't want them out close to two weeks ahead of time.
Yeah if the reviews were negative, you would think they wouldn't release them till next week. Lots of reviews by guild writers watching the film and tweeting about it. I'm sure there will be negative reviews, but I have a feeling this is going to be a slam dunk.
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i guess i'll get that reviews thread ready...
Old 12-03-12 | 11:29 AM
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This is the first movie ever where I've known when the press embargo is being lifted. Very interested in seeing how the reviews turn out.
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http://greggtonyandjim.blogspot.com/...-dec-2012.html

Podcast review. Extremely positive.

One of the great comments "3D was so immserive, I thought a guy was actually standing up in the theater"

"Felt that you were a part of the movie"

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Old 12-03-12 | 03:47 PM
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Do the reviews even matter for a movie like this? I mean for anybody that saw Lord of the Rings and liked the movies, would it really matter if the reviews weren't great? To all of you that are planning on seeing the movie, which I have to believe is a large percentage of this forum, would you actually NOT go see it if the reviews weren't very good?

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