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Drexl 12-10-17 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hazel Motes (Post 13221948)
Criterion should start a new line inspired by their box set John Cassavetes 5 Films.

John Hughes Five Films
John Sayles Five Films
John Woo Five Films

John Cazale Five Films

kefrank 12-15-17 04:43 PM

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New newsletter out announcing March releases. I'm most excited for this one:
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hdnmickey 12-31-17 10:27 AM

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Happy New Year

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OldBoy 12-31-17 10:56 AM

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giddity up...http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Br...191181/#Review

wahlers 01-02-18 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hdnmickey (Post 13235898)

Could the tree be Terry Gilliam's Tideland? Wouldn't that be its first U.S. blu-ray?

Josh-da-man 01-02-18 09:00 PM

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Bowling for Columbine?
Casino?

Coral 01-02-18 10:37 PM

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From the Criterionforum:

http://www.criterionforum.org/forum/...=15194#p606473


Awful Truth (dog with hat)
Bowling for Columbine (bowling ball about to crash into ten bullet pins)
Bringing up Baby / Thin Man (skeleton "Mr Bone" / a thin man - next to Skippy the dog)
Color of Pomegranates (the two pomegranates)
Graduation + Beyond the Hills (the mortarboards being tossed off in the distance)
Ingmar Bergman films (moon + woman with Swedish flag) - probably a box or just a ton of Bergman coming in 2018
Other Side of Hope (backwards HOPE sign)
Scarlet Empress (red M in the press/vice)
Tree of Life (tree)
Virgin Suicides (the Extra Virgin Olive Oil bottles doing an annoying running exercise)

truck + river are a bunch of non-clues dealing with Filmstruck
(streaming on Filmstruck):
Double feature Friday
Tuesday film + short film
Meat the Filmmakers
Every Frame a Painting / Observations in Film Art
Moo-V
While I love Tree of Life, this seems like another case of Criterion releasing something that's already well represented on BD.

Why So Blu? 01-02-18 11:13 PM

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Rumor is that the 6 hour cut of Tree Life is being included. I think people were dicking around, so don't know if that's even possibility with Malick, but we'll see what the final package contains.

Josh-da-man 01-02-18 11:59 PM

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Hrm. When I saw the vice with the M in it, first thing I thought of was Casino and the "Charlie M" scene. :lol:

dex14 01-03-18 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Coral (Post 13237636)
From the Criterionforum:

http://www.criterionforum.org/forum/...=15194#p606473



While I love Tree of Life, this seems like another case of Criterion releasing something that's already well represented on BD.


Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 13237658)
Rumor is that the 6 hour cut of Tree Life is being included. I think people were dicking around, so don't know if that's even possibility with Malick, but we'll see what the final package contains.

I don't think it is 6 hours, but it is definitely going to be a new, longer cut. I met Malick in fall 2016 and asked him about it. He confirmed it was being worked on.

Rypro 525 01-03-18 03:26 PM

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Sean Penn did once complain about how most of his material was cut out & i think one of the editors once said that 'there could be an entire feature length film featuring the Sean Penn character.

EinCB 01-06-18 11:12 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/zmHlweT.png

Coral 01-07-18 12:14 AM

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Ugh. I guess 3 BD releases isn't enough, so Criterion's gotta add a 4th.

Broken record time... the current BDs transfers are fantastic and one of the releases has a decent amount of supplements. So many films without a BD release they could be doing instead.

Hell, at least start releasing on UHD-BD so there's something new to offer.

slop101 01-07-18 08:23 AM

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Yeah, but they need to also put out stuff that sells in order to fund releases that don't.

Mike86 01-07-18 09:58 AM

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I might upgrade No Country For Old Men. I have the first release which is fairly old.

Coral 01-07-18 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 13240601)
Yeah, but they need to also put out stuff that sells in order to fund releases that don't.

Are they trying to get the average consumer to buy these more "mainstream" releases? Because I don't see the average consumer who buys BDs (and that's relatively small nowadays) spending $25.99 on a Criterion BD of NCFOM when the regular BD goes for $5.99 (using Amazon prices).

How many extra sales will they get from Criterion fans (which is a pretty small market to begin with) who are looking for a very minor "upgrade" from the current BDs in comparison to releasing something else that doesn't currently have a BD?

rbrown498 01-07-18 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Coral (Post 13240656)
Are they trying to get the average consumer to buy these more "mainstream" releases? Because I don't see the average consumer who buys BDs (and that's relatively small nowadays) spending $25.99 on a Criterion BD of NCFOM when the regular BD goes for $5.99 (using Amazon prices).

How many extra sales will they get from Criterion fans (which is a pretty small market to begin with) who are looking for a very minor "upgrade" from the current BDs in comparison to releasing something else that doesn't currently have a BD?

I think that there are a couple of things that are at work in this instance.

NCFOM is a Miramax release. Disney has been licensing out tons of stuff in the last few years, with Mill Creek getting a whole lot of Touchstone titles and Echo Bridge getting a bunch of Miramax titles. For those companies to be able to afford those films, the licensing rights must be going at fire-sale prices. I have a feeling that Lionsgate's license for NCFOM is up, and Criterion got the rights for a song.

Now add to that the fact that there is a certain contingent of Criterion customers, both individuals and institutions, that buy every release that Criterion puts out. I don't know how many of these hard-core Criterion junkies there are, but my guess would be that Criterion can count on anything they release to automatically sell at least 3-4,000 copies.

Put those two together, and Criterion may well have an automatic profit-generator in NCFOM. Any additional sales outside of their guaranteed customer base would be gravy.

That's my take on the situation. Criterion has been in the business long enough to have figured out how to maximize their profits, and I certainly can't blame them for releasing a sure thing. At least NCFOM fits snugly into the collection, unlike other films that were much more blatant cash grabs.

inri222 01-07-18 01:52 PM

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If every Wes Anderson film gets a mainstream release and a Criterion release, then I have no problem with NCFOM.

Josh-da-man 01-07-18 01:57 PM

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If Criterion gets the Miramax library it could be a goldmine for them. Dozens of films that would fit comfortably into the collection.

Coral 01-07-18 02:09 PM

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I agree they should grab what they can, but if Miramax films are up for grabs - then they'll have access to so many more films that would be considered decent sellers AND which aren't out on BD (or the current release is sub-par). Down the road they could tackle NCFOM if/when they jump on UHD-BD.

But I guess they understand their hardcore customers more than I do. People will spend their money however they want to.

Simply slapping a spine number on a release doesn't get me to automatically open up my wallet.

Drexl 01-07-18 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Coral (Post 13240656)
Are they trying to get the average consumer to buy these more "mainstream" releases? Because I don't see the average consumer who buys BDs (and that's relatively small nowadays) spending $25.99 on a Criterion BD of NCFOM when the regular BD goes for $5.99 (using Amazon prices).

How many extra sales will they get from Criterion fans (which is a pretty small market to begin with) who are looking for a very minor "upgrade" from the current BDs in comparison to releasing something else that doesn't currently have a BD?

I haven't checked out my copy for a while, but I remember someone on here was very disappointed with the image quality of the current disc. It might be more of an upgrade than we realize.

Josh Z 01-07-18 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Coral (Post 13240757)
I agree they should grab what they can, but if Miramax films are up for grabs - then they'll have access to so many more films that would be considered decent sellers AND which aren't out on BD (or the current release is sub-par). Down the road they could tackle NCFOM if/when they jump on UHD-BD.

Another point to consider is that Criterion already has a relationship with the Coens from their work on Blood Simple and Inside Llewyn Davis. That means it probably won't be too much trouble to get the directors to contribute some new interviews. As opposed to picking some other Miramax title for which the filmmakers may not be easily available.

Releasing No Country now may simply be an excuse for Criterion to continue their working relationship with the Coens, hoping to parlay that into future work on some of their other movies that might be considered Criterion-worthy.

Mike86 01-07-18 03:31 PM

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That’s what I was thinking too. It seems like Criterion has certain directors they like to work with after they’ve established a relationship. I’m sure if they’re able to obtain the rights to films especially when they’re by directors like the Coen Bros. who have a large fanbase they don’t turn down the opportunity.

Toddarino 01-07-18 04:57 PM

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I'd double dip on all of Tarantino's films if Criterion got a hold of them.

GoldenJCJ 01-07-18 06:22 PM

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^ A Criterion release of “The Whole Bloody Affair” would be nice.

While we’re making Miramax/Criterion wishlist, I’ll also take City of God and Heavenly Creatures.

inri222 01-07-18 07:42 PM

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Fingers crossed for

The Reflecting Skin
The Crying Game
Exotica
The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover
The Krays
Sonatine

Why So Blu? 01-07-18 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddarino (Post 13240859)
I'd double dip on all of Tarantino's films if Criterion got a hold of them.


It'd be Pulp Fiction if anything since they had already done the laserdisc 20 years ago.

Hazel Motes 01-08-18 04:38 AM

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Fingers crossed for:

Husbands/ Minnie & Moskowitz (John Cassavetes)
Voyage of Time (Terrence Malick) (both cuts) I feel this is a lock.
Secret's & Lies/Happy Go Lucky (Mike Leigh)
Crash/Existenz (David Cronenberg)
Wild At Heart/Inland Empire/Lost Highway/The Straight Story (David Lynch)
Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid (both cuts) (Sam Peckinpah)
The Big Red One (Samuel Fuller) (both cuts)
Gummo/Julien Donkey Boy (Harmony Korine)
Irreversible/I Stand Alone (Gaspar Noe)
The Rain People/ One From The Heart (Francis Coppola)
Brewster McCloud (Robert Altman)
After Hours (Martin Scorsese)
Chungking Express (Wong Kar Wai)
Cockfighter (Monte Hellman)
Born to Kill (Robert Wise)
ANYTHING (Werner Herzog
ANYTHING (John Sayles)
ANYTHING (Alan Clarke)

Josh-da-man 01-08-18 06:42 AM

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I'm wating Son of Godzilla, Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla, and Rodan to complete my Showa Godzilla collection.

TheBang 01-08-18 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Hazel Motes (Post 13241075)
Fingers crossed for:

Chungking Express (Wong Kar Wai)

But that's already been released.

AMERICAN 01-08-18 08:12 AM

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fingers crossed for:
matewan
diary of a mad housewife
the last picture show

Josh Z 01-08-18 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by AMERICAN (Post 13241127)
fingers crossed for:


the last picture show

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....rL._SX342_.jpg


dex14 01-08-18 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hazel Motes (Post 13241075)
Fingers crossed for:

Husbands/ Minnie & Moskowitz (John Cassavetes)
Voyage of Time (Terrence Malick) (both cuts) I feel this is a lock.
Secret's & Lies/Happy Go Lucky (Mike Leigh)
Crash/Existenz (David Cronenberg)
Wild At Heart/Inland Empire/Lost Highway/The Straight Story (David Lynch)
Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid (both cuts) (Sam Peckinpah)
The Big Red One (Samuel Fuller) (both cuts)
Gummo/Julien Donkey Boy (Harmony Korine)
Irreversible/I Stand Alone (Gaspar Noe)
The Rain People/ One From The Heart (Francis Coppola)
Brewster McCloud (Robert Altman)
After Hours (Martin Scorsese)
Chungking Express (Wong Kar Wai)
Cockfighter (Monte Hellman)
Born to Kill (Robert Wise)
ANYTHING (Werner Herzog
ANYTHING (John Sayles)
ANYTHING (Alan Clarke)

Nice list. Except I can’t stand those Korine films, though I’m not totally against revisiting.

inri222 01-08-18 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dex14 (Post 13241165)
Nice list. Except I can’t stand those Korine films, though I’m not totally against revisiting.

I agree.

AMERICAN 01-08-18 12:04 PM

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..I'm looking for just the blu of "the last picture show"..that box set is way too expensive

dex14 01-08-18 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 13241225)
I agree.

Wait... you of all people don't like those Harmony Korine films?? I'm surprised by this. -- not sarcasm or malicious.

TheDuke 01-08-18 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBang (Post 13241104)
But that's already been released.

It's OOP and rumored to be getting a re-release, though.

Mondo Kane 01-08-18 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 13240748)
If Criterion gets the Miramax library it could be a goldmine for them. Dozens of films that would fit comfortably into the collection.

Working Girls & Prospero’s Books!

inri222 01-08-18 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dex14 (Post 13241314)
Wait... you of all people don't like those Harmony Korine films?? I'm surprised by this. -- not sarcasm or malicious.

I've seen all of Harmony Korine's films as a director and have hated all of them except for Spring Breakers.

dex14 01-08-18 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 13241390)
I've seen all of Harmony Korine's films as a director and have hated all of them except for Spring Breakers.

Same.


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