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E Unit 10-22-12 03:15 PM

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Damn, would I love to have Insomnia come out on blu.

Solid Snake 10-22-12 04:51 PM

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Fuck. Me too, man.

milo bloom 10-22-12 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy Miller III (Post 11437065)

One major milestone occurred with <i>Insomnia</i> (spine #47 - the Norwegian original, not the Nolan remake), which was the first Criterion disc to use an anamorphic transfer. After that, they started to become more consistent in their presentation quality...and today, they rarely put out anything less than a top quality package (unless you don't like the movie, of course).

.

#47 huh, I'll drink to that :beer2: Should be easy to remember.


Thanks. I guess 16x9 is the biggest thing (unless it was 1.33 of course), the transfer doesn't have to be sparkling and perfect for me.

And I have discovered the re-issues. I just found a copy of the re-issued Walkabout 2 disc DVD, which was #10 I believe, was $2 after trade-in credit at Half-Price Books (was $10).

bluetoast 10-22-12 05:13 PM

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And on a smaller note, the rotating "C" is a million times better than the scrolling line for the Criterion Logo.

Solid Snake 10-22-12 05:16 PM

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It is. Just classier and fresh.

milo bloom 10-22-12 09:11 PM

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I've actually bought Criterions (DVD and Blu) at a greater rate in the past year, than I have in the previous 14 or so years of the DVD format.

I've offloaded many titles I really had no use for, and I figured I could broaden my interests a bit, class up the joint a bit if you will.

lamphorn 10-24-12 10:33 PM

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Saw a tweet from Criterion that just said.. "In a word, KUBRICK" with the "Kubrick" title card that looks like it's from Eyes Wide Shut... hmmm. Any idea what they're up to?

Drexl 10-24-12 10:36 PM

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Spartacus? They seem to have a good relationship with Universal, and the film could use a new transfer.

PopcornTreeCt 10-24-12 10:48 PM

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I would go with Spartacus as well. Though it is in the big Eyes Wide Shut font.

lamphorn 10-24-12 11:01 PM

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I thought of Spartacus, too, since they have a history with that film and I'd love that since I was avoiding the apparently bad transfer of the current bluray.

BUT, while Spartacus was technically "directed by" Kubrick, I hardly think of it as a real "Stanley Kubrick film" because of how little creative control he had over it (he apparently didn't like the outcome much), so I can't help but fantasize that they'll go nuts on some of his other films. Would flip for that Eyes Wide Shut commentary track from Sidney Pollack that was promised on all the promotional materials for a Kubrick Collection several years ago. Always wondered what happened to that, especially now that he's gone... mysterious...

Arpeggi 10-25-12 12:34 AM

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I hate Spartacus. Eyes Wide Shut Please.

BuckNaked2k 10-25-12 12:57 AM

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WB seems to be fairly protective of their Kubrick titles, re-releasing ACO and FMJ on anniversary Digibooks. Could see them doing the same with 2001 and EWS in '13 and '14, vice leasing to CC.

nitin77 10-25-12 03:45 AM

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Spartacus would be awesome, I dont hate the current release but it could obviously be improved.

BambooLounge 10-25-12 06:32 AM

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Outside of Lolita, Barry Lyndon, Strangelove, The Killing/Killer's Kiss and the Clockwork digibook, I own the other Kubrick's on HD-DVD, so I'd love Criterion to give me a reason to make a worthy HD-DVD to Blu double-dip. I won't just pay to swap out one HD disc for another without some sort of technical or supplemental improvement.

riotinmyskull 10-25-12 06:37 AM

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i hope it's SPARTACUS...not sure what could really be added to warner's EWS release.

slowcloud 10-25-12 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Arpeggi (Post 11440941)
I hate Spartacus. Eyes Wide Shut Please.

Hate's a strong word for Spartacus, but it's far from the ponderous quality of later work like EWS, which I too prefer. So I hope it is a hint of a Criterion version of that film.

Doctorossi 10-25-12 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by lamphorn (Post 11440879)
BUT, while Spartacus was technically "directed by" Kubrick, I hardly think of it as a real "Stanley Kubrick film" because of how little creative control he had over it (he apparently didn't like the outcome much), so I can't help but fantasize that they'll go nuts on some of his other films.

This. For the sake of Spartacus, I think there does need to be a better disc of it on the market. However, for my own selfish purposes, give me something like a brand new 8K scan of 2001: A Space Odyssey.

In any case, more Kubrick Blu-ray from Criterion is pretty much a no-lose situation. :D

Doctorossi 10-25-12 08:04 AM

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And speaking of Kubrick re-releases (if you'll permit a momentary tangent), has anyone seen any reviews of the newly-released (October 16th) A Clockwork Orange and Full Metal Jacket "Special Edition" releases yet? I know I'm dreaming, hoping for new transfers and/or encodes, but I'd still like some verification.

Drexl 10-25-12 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BuckNaked2k (Post 11440954)
WB seems to be fairly protective of their Kubrick titles, re-releasing ACO and FMJ on anniversary Digibooks. Could see them doing the same with 2001 and EWS in '13 and '14, vice leasing to CC.

That's the thing. Warner doesn't license their titles out; heck, they're even taking on some of Paramount's titles now. And the Kubrick films in particular seem to have become cash cows for them. It seems highly unlikely that it could be EWS, but we'll see.

MTRodaba2468 10-25-12 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Drexl (Post 11441127)
That's the thing. Warner doesn't license their titles out; heck, they're even taking on some of Paramount's titles now. And the Kubrick films in particular seem to have become cash cows for them. It seems highly unlikely that it could be EWS, but we'll see.

I agree. I know that Criterion and Warner Bros. have made a deal (hence Badlands) that does involve multiple films, but I REALLY doubt that it would involve Warner giving away one of their Kubrick films...

E Unit 10-25-12 11:23 AM

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I'm inclined to agree with what Lamphorn said. The Twitter post shows the word Kubrick in the same font as on eyes Wide Shut.



http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/i...es/Kubrick.jpg

jwstl 10-25-12 11:28 AM

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I hated EWS when I saw it back in the day but I'm willing to give it another chance. I would prefer Spartacus.

applesandrice 10-25-12 12:16 PM

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That typeface, Futura, was Kubrick's favorite. I doubt very much that it means anything more than that.

Given the reasons already posted, it makes sense that Criterion would re-release "Spartacus", and not one of the WB-controlled titles.

kefrank 10-25-12 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by applesandrice (Post 11441433)
That typeface, Futura, was Kubrick's favorite. I doubt very much that it means anything more than that.

Given the reasons already posted, it makes sense that Criterion would re-release "Spartacus", and not one of the WB-controlled titles.

Agreed. Spartacus seems the most likely candidate. Less likely, but still seemingly possible would be Sony licensing Strangelove to Criterion. It seems virtually impossible that WB would license any of its Kubrick titles to Criterion. I wouldn't mind being wrong though.

GreenVulture 10-25-12 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kefrank (Post 11441533)
but still seemingly possible would be Sony licensing Strangelove to Criterion.

I'm not sure what the point would be of that; the current Strangelove Blu-Ray has pretty good audio and picture, plus lots of great supplements (just wish they had included the excellent trailer).

My guess? Two-disc special edition of The Seafarers; you can bank on it.

Giles 10-25-12 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Drexl (Post 11440850)
Spartacus? They seem to have a good relationship with Universal, and the film could use a new transfer.

-pray- ... a new proper 65mm tranfer is absolutely paramount to Universal's problematic bluray edition.

slowcloud 10-26-12 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jwstl (Post 11441362)
I hated EWS when I saw it back in the day but I'm willing to give it another chance. I would prefer Spartacus.

If you only saw EWS once, you haven't seen it enough times. I remember when I first saw it, I was puzzled but still liked it. I've seen it more than 20 times since and wrote a couple of papers for my Master's degree, read the Schnitzler book and even presented on the film at an academic film conference.

slowcloud 10-26-12 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenVulture (Post 11441562)
My guess? Two-disc special edition of The Seafarers; you can bank on it.

lol, the 30-minute documentary on the Seafarers International Union available on the new Fear and Desire disc by Kino?

slowcloud 10-26-12 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Doctorossi (Post 11441085)
And speaking of Kubrick re-releases (if you'll permit a momentary tangent), has anyone seen any reviews of the newly-released (October 16th) A Clockwork Orange and Full Metal Jacket "Special Edition" releases yet? I know I'm dreaming, hoping for new transfers and/or encodes, but I'd still like some verification.

I seem to recall reading on another thread that these are the same as the single discs with extra documentaries as second discs.

Doctorossi 10-26-12 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by slowcloud (Post 11442505)
I seem to recall reading on another thread that these are the same as the single discs with extra documentaries as second discs.

Thanks! :)

Full speculation mode: I wonder if these are actually standard-packaged versions of the Digibook editions from last year.

jwstl 10-26-12 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by slowcloud (Post 11442502)
If you only saw EWS once, you haven't seen it enough times. I remember when I first saw it, I was puzzled but still liked it. I've seen it more than 20 times since and wrote a couple of papers for my Master's degree, read the Schnitzler book and even presented on the film at an academic film conference.

That's impressive. And I suspect you may be right. There are a some movies that simply require multiple viewings.

Giles 10-26-12 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kefrank (Post 11441533)
Agreed. Spartacus seems the most likely candidate. Less likely, but still seemingly possible would be Sony licensing Strangelove to Criterion. It seems virtually impossible that WB would license any of its Kubrick titles to Criterion. I wouldn't mind being wrong though.

I think WB in general likes to keep all of it's films close to home, and not license them any one other than themselves.

WB and Criterion merged with select laserdisc titles, but the DVD, bluray releases have been WB 'only' releases.

kefrank 10-26-12 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenVulture (Post 11441562)
I'm not sure what the point would be of that; the current Strangelove Blu-Ray has pretty good audio and picture, plus lots of great supplements (just wish they had included the excellent trailer).

I mostly agree, but Criterion did release Dr. Strangelove on laserdisc, so they have some exclusive extras. Here's a short description from this site:

The Criterion disc also includes a wealth of materials outlining the civil-defense plans of the early 1960s, including still frames of various pamphlets, the famous short Duck and Cover, and an early "video" of George McCulvey's My Teenage Fallout Queen. There is also a British Film Board-approved trailer advertising Strangelove, which -- unique for its day -- includes photos of Kubrick himself. Best of all is an account of the film's laser remastering, as well as a frame-by-frame representation of an early Strangelove script.

Josh Z 10-26-12 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kefrank (Post 11442763)
I mostly agree, but Criterion did release Dr. Strangelove on laserdisc, so they have some exclusive extras. Here's a short description from this site:

The first Criterion Laserdisc pressings of Dr. Strangelove included a copy of Kubrick's first script draft in still-frame form. The draft was radically different than the finished film. (It was actually bookended by aliens who visit the destitute shell of Earth centuries after our nuclear decimation.)

Kubrick was very upset about this and made Criterion reissue the discs without that supplement after the first pressing run. He didn't like viewers to know behind-the-scenes details about the making of his films. He felt that it ruined the "magic" of movies to know how they're made. The only supplements he authorized were pieces about the Cold War that provided some context for the story. (Likewise, supplements on the Criterion LD for 2001 were all about the space race, not about the film specifically.)

milo bloom 10-26-12 01:34 PM

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I've heard in the past that Criterion will send you a booklet if your DVD or Blu is missing one, would that also apply to the slipcover for something like Curious Case of Benjamin Button?


Edit:
Also, I can get a used copy of the Notorious DVD for $15, is that worth it?

slowcloud 10-28-12 10:36 AM

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I see Spirit of the Beehive is supposed to be out of print now, according to this reliable threed: http://forum.dvdtalk.com/dvd-talk/52...l#post11444882

Could this mean a blu-ray is coming? Or did they lose the rights?

LPMA 10-28-12 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by milo bloom (Post 11443051)
I've heard in the past that Criterion will send you a booklet if your DVD or Blu is missing one, would that also apply to the slipcover for something like Curious Case of Benjamin Button?


Edit:
Also, I can get a used copy of the Notorious DVD for $15, is that worth it?

Any OOP title is probably worth more than $15 depending on its condition.

LPMA 10-28-12 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by slowcloud (Post 11444914)
I see Spirit of the Beehive is supposed to be out of print now, according to this reliable threed: http://forum.dvdtalk.com/dvd-talk/52...l#post11444882

Could this mean a blu-ray is coming? Or did they lose the rights?

Criterion's website says the following:


Unfortunately, we are not able to offer this product for sale on Criterion.com. Please note that it is not out of print and is available at other retailers, like Amazon.com.
I doubt that's what it would say had they lost the rights, so maybe a new edition is coming.

slowcloud 10-29-12 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by LPMA (Post 11444988)
Criterion's website says the following:



I doubt that's what it would say had they lost the rights, so maybe a new edition is coming.

Thanks for that!

Tommy Bunz 10-29-12 08:12 AM

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Pure speculation on my part, but it seems to me that a blu-ray upgrade for Spirit is indeed inevitable.
Guillermo Del Toro has been in their offices on more than one occasion this year, probably working on Devil's Backbone but it would not surprise me in the least if they recruited him (or if he volunteered) to do a commentary for it.
It's one of his favorite movies and one that's been an obvious influence in his own work.


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