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Not you too, David. Goddamnit.

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Dvdbeaver's review of Scanners is up. They are praising the new color scheme and to them it's more "film like".
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film3/blu-r...rs_blu-ray.htm

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Is anyone here the same person they were twenty (or thirty+) years ago?
Do you have the same tastes, value the same things, preoccupied by the same thoughts?

Neither are these directors. People think because they inhabit the same aging physical shell, that these are the same people that created the material all those years ago. They aren't. For as different as they are now, they may as well be entirely different people unassociated with the film entirely.

I need to start a petition to the studios to not allow directors to revise their films after a short grace period (say 2-5 years). If they want to do it at home and show it to a few friends, fine. But any public exhibition of any kind needs to locked down early on. As a supplement people can choose to ignore, fine. But there really needs to be some permanence returned to this art form. If it can be altered at any time by the indulgences of the studio and the current caprices of the artist, the work isn't finished to begin with and shouldn't have been declared as such.

And screw Star Wars. I'm still vexed I can't watch the original Warriors without the cheesy on-the-nose comic book transitions in HD.

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The newest Terminator BD, along with that abortion release of The French Connection are the most glaring examples I can think of. At least Fox new well enough to release an alternative version that didn't alienate cinephiles.

Director intent doesn't really matter to me. It's no different than what Lucas has done or studios that press the DNR button to scrub away film grain.

If it's not how it was shot and not how it was presented in theaters, its very difficult to look past that (at least to me).

Is Cronenberg going to get a pass for this just because he's Cronenberg?

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The problem that people like Lucas, Mann, Cameron, and etc is that it's ok to have a different intent now but to change some films like that is to change film history. That bothers me.

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Cronenberg is starting to rape my middle age

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Easiest solution is to buy the German Subkultur release for viewing and the Criterion if you want the extras.

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I wish I knew who said it (I'm pretty sure it was a director - but it may have been an actor...but it was someone of note in the Hollywood community), but recently someone was quoted as saying that (and I'm paraphrasing, as I don't remember the exact language) every movie is a reflection of the time it was released and should be preserved - warts and all - as closely to its original version as possible.

Movies are a window to our past, and every bit of tinkering that is done to them - however small, takes away some of that past when they're tampered with.

Now it's one thing to clean up a film to make it look as close as possible to the theatrical release, it's quite another thing to change it because "that's how I always intended it to appear." We're seeing more and more of the latter these days, and it's really sad to see - particularly from people who claim to love film.

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The problem is, it's the studios that are facilitating it. It takes studio money/go ahead to go back in and revise it and consecrate the changes with a new master to then dispense on all the platforms.

You have to head this stuff off at the studio level.

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Fully agree!

Also, I think you might be referring to a Spielberg interview from a few years ago.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/49921

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In other news...

Criterion's latest newsletter hints at It Happened One Night in the works.

Great news to me as it's still one of my favorite classics.

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Awesome. I'm hoping they have the rights for other Capra films.

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It is certainly more film-like, but that's not a comment at all on the color timing and brightness. The Koch one looks close to an upscaled DVD, from those screenshots.

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Random question- how many releases were in the dual format? (spine # to spine # if possible) thanks

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Just to make sure... everybody here knows about this....
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/blu-ray-bar...july-28-a.html
... right?

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I already knew, but thanks for posting in this thread as some people may not have known.

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Shit. I bought Thief cuz of the sale. I knew wtf was done to it. Technically speaking, this is a gorgeous image.

Can't grasp why Mann believes EVEN when using the negative as a color reference... That changing color is beneficial to the film.

Fucking great film though. Jesus. It's so goddamn good.

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Was thinking I was done until the Demy set hits in a couple weeks, but I've recently become very curious to see Shape Of Things To Come and some of the Cassevettes films- two Criterion packages that I've had zero interest in during past sales, despite the glowing reviews of each.

Looks like I'll be getting some use out of the next round of coupons after all.

I think digital has made directors genuinely believe that such color-timing changes are artistically beneficial for some bizarre reason.

Lucas must not have like hearing that, but God bless Spielberg for finally coming to his senses! Totally agree with him. Let art speak for itself.

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I haven't seen the movie yet, but I did buy the blu from the BN Criterion sale. I felt the same way about Collateral though. It was one of the best movies I've seen and the ending completely pissed me off. I hope it's not the same way with THIEF.

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Obviously a different director, but that's how I feel about another film that Criterion released: The Game. I have no desire to see it again because of the ending.

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Now see, I actually liked Collateral's ending...it's one of my favorite movies in fact. But hopefully for your sake...maybe this will be a reverse situation and you end up liking Thief's ending while disliking Collateral.

*sigh*, my copy of Game is still sealed from the last B&N sale. Maybe I should go ahead and watch it.

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Let me say this: it's worth watching at least once and not everyone is going to be as averse to the ending as I am.

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I look forward to Eraserhead being green and purple.

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Michael Mann is supervising the transfer of Eraserhead too?

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^wow. It's like it was filmed yesterday!

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Let's put it this way: Suppose a studio releases a Blu-ray of Chaplin's The Gold Rush, fully colorized with a plethora different colors and shades in every shot. The studio claims that this is exactly what the movie was supposed to look like when it was released to theaters in 1925.

Fans complain: "There was no color film stock in 1925! All movies were black & white! The most a filmmaker could have done was apply broad, crude tints to some scenes, and there's no evidence that this movie ever had tinting like that."

The studio replies: "How do you know? How do you know? Stupid internet whiners. We're telling you this is what it's supposed to look like, so STFU."

Should we just take the studio at its word that this movie from 1925 was always in color, despite the fact that such a thing is totally impossible?

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Chaplin's dead and so is Roland Totheroh (cinematographer) so we'll never know.

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That's got to be one of the ridiculous things I've ever read. Now let's see if you now just starting moving goal posts again instead of just admititng how off you were when called on it.

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Yes, we can know that the movie wasn't in color, and we do know that it wasn't in color. Because there is a historical record we can look at which tells us that the movie was never in color.

If Charlie Chaplin were to communicate to us from the afterlife and claim that The Gold Rush was always in color, we have evidence that he's wrong and (at best) misremembering.

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Do you even know what the phrase "moving the goalposts" means? You are not using it correctly.

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Of course I do/am. Rather than admit yoru first shot was off you move the goal so your shot will be on target. Comparing knowing if a B&W film changed to color is a back up to your claim you KNOW your opinion on Thief is fact? = Moving the goal posts to both endlines! :lol:

Another fucking ridculous comment. Once again I'm left to just -rolleyes- and moving on.

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Modern color, take 2: now with T&O, black crush, and a hint of Abrams!

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/image...05007563_1.jpg

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:lol: @ Eraserhead 2014

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An anology that says because something clearly factual (and impossible) makes your out of your ass opinion also factual. Nice try. -screwy-

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You are an unpleasant person to speak to.

I have laid out a detailed and thoroughly-reasoned case for my side of the debate. The best counter argument you can come up with is: "Nyah nyah, u so stoopid. :p :rolleyes: -screwy- "

I should know better than to interact with children on the internet.

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Fixed.

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So is everyone here passing on the release of Scanners next week?