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I can do without The Cowboy and the Frenchman being on this since it is as mentioned 35 minutes of grueling pain to sit through. Only seen it once and don't hate myself to sit through it again. The other shorts are all fantastic and glad they will be here in HD.

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You're right, it was on the Short Films of David Lynch DVD. I had forgotten, and assumed it was only available in the Lumiere and Company DVD.

Lynch's piece was the best of all the Lumiere shorts, IMO.

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I will be getting Eraserhead and watching it more than once. -ptth-

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I've been pondering the concept & wording of "entertaining". While I may not be a a huge fan of ERASERHEAD, there are lot of films I do like that I wouldn't consider "entertaining". I've always associated the word "entertainment" with frivolity, as in "it's just entertainment, nothing to think about."

I'm used to hearing "art" and "entertainment" posed as binary opposites. Too much time on IMDB I suppose; if I expressed my feelings on ERASERHEAD there, I'd be told to "stick to watching Michael Bay films!" (Which I do NOT find entertaining!)

Open question to anyone: What's a good word to use instead of "entertaining" to explain one's enjoyment of a film? Engaging, perhaps? VIDEODROME is one of my all-time favorite films but I've never thought of it as "entertaining" (even if part of my reaction to it is being entertained). Often when I talk about my favorite film/music/lit, I'll say something "resonates" with me, or I find it "compelling." It "sticks with me."

I'm not trying to be pretentious. I just try to find words that don't have such binary baggage. Good vs Bad, Artistic vs Entertaining... To me, film appreciation (like anything else) has a middle ground.

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If you're enjoying something it kind of follows that you're being entertained. I think you're over simplying the idea that to be entertained it has to resonate positive in nature to you.

Entertainment can be whatever the fuck you want.

We've had films that hit the art and entertainment combo category before. It's not all that amazing but it can be in some forms.

Eraserhead doesn't entertain me but it does interest me as a work. I think it is an amazing film that I derive no actual pleasure from but it does get my attention.

I'll buy the BD for sure cuz it is such an interesting film to me.

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Thought provoking?

Intellectually stimulating?

Cerebral?

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Would SHOAH's deepest admirers describe it as entertaining?

Ok, I'm done.

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"Entertainment wants to give you what you want. Art wants to give you what you don't know you want." - David Cronenberg

"Art is entertainment for intellectuals."
Woody Allen

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"...like a Picasso or a Garfunkel." - Barenaked Ladies

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"I can't believe I ate the whole thing"

-Homer J. Simpson

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:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

You see, folks, all it takes to placate me is a relevant Cronenberg quote!

Apologies for the digression. I'll allow this thread to go back to its purpose.

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erection inducing.

"Fuck you." Cyrus Grissom

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"Suave! Goddamn you're one suave fucker!"

- Frank Booth


Can't wait for the Con Air Criterion Edition, Han. ;)

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I'd take Eraserhead over The Brood any day. I love Eraserhead. The Brood, not so much.

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Con Air is a national treasure, damn it! ;)

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Eraserhead is "thee" Midnight movie. Those who think it lacked replay value don't know the right time to watch it.

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Middle ground? Everything in this world is either awesome or it sucks. There's nothing in between. :)

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I've seen Eraserhead enough times that I can recite almost every line of dialogue (not that there are many lines of dialogue). Even so, my understanding of it grew exponentially deeper once I had kids.

That movie's practically a documentary about the first month of new parenthood.

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Not having had kids, I always saw it as a cautionary tale, saying "don't fucking have kids!".

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You know that scene in the movie where the baby has been screeching for hours upon hours until the father feels utterly defeated and has no idea what to do - at which point the baby stops, gives him a very deliberate hard stare, and lets out an evil little laugh?

I swear to god that happened to me exactly as it plays in the movie... except with two babies.

I always knew what the movie was about, but I never really felt what it was about in the pit of my soul until that moment.

I would sincerely hope real babies are cuter than the one in the movie, or I've been lied to over the years! If you want me to continue to propitiate the species, you aren't making it sound appealing ;).

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Eraserhead is the better film, but I love them both.

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Yes, they are much cuter, and things get much better once they finally learn how to sleep through the night, but those first couple of months could drive anyone to insanity.

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I might get Eraserhead as I like David Lynch but it's not my favorite of his films. I'd rather they released Mulholland Drive though personally.

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they are:

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Though I assume those are still considered "rumor", that's great news on Mulholland Drive and La Dolce Vita. Love MD and have never gotten around to seeing La Dolce Vita, but will likely give it a shot once the Criterion disc materializes.

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Fuck yeah for Dolce Vita! My favorite Fellini.

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:up:

Probably my second favorite Fellini.

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Tyler Foster (who doesn't post here anymore, but still reviews I think) mentioned over at blu-ray.com that he has a contact at Criterion who told him they weren't working on MD as recently as May, but assumes they must have started work on it recently. He also mentioned that Eraserhead was kind of a "trial run" for working with Lynch (they had problems with each other in the past) and that the experience was positive, so they've moved on to MD.

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La Dolce Vita is exciting news. I remember the rights holder (was it New York Video or Koch Lorber or whatever they changed their name to) held on so fucking tight to that title all through the DVD era and their DVD was a shitty PAL conversion.

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Uh-oh. The color timing of Criterion's SCANNERS is the center of some controversy on the Blu-ray & Criterion Forums.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Scanne...6/#Screenshots

One frame comparison that's making the rounds:

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Oh, gosh... That looks terrible in all honesty.

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That can't be right. I haven't seen the disc, but that looks like a screencap that was captured incorrectly.

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I read through the entire thread, which was exhausting. Criterion confirmed that Cronenberg was involved and this is the color timing he prefers. The side-by-side comparisons always look worse in a screenshot, when you're actually watching a movie the color timing isn't that distracting. I'll definitely be picking up the Criterion version.

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We're going to have to start distinguishing between "director's intent" and actual "theatrical version." I don't know how everyone feels, but when I buy an older movie being updated for Blu-ray, I want to see the movie as close as possible to how it appeared in theaters, NOT how the director INTENDED it to appear (which is usually just an excuse for him to tweak with his movie). This is really not too much different than someone like Lucas updating special effects - it's changing the original version (and often for no good reason).

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:lol: You're certainly a braver man than I! Nobody posting in those threads over there ever seems willing to read back more than 3 posts, so they just keep going on and on in endless circles.

One other thing to note, Criterion also confirmed that he DID NOT use any sort of references when supervising the color timing. In other words, there wasn't much of an effort to make sure they were authentic to the original release. They pretty much just represent how Cronenberg wants it to look now. Who knows if he purposely changed them up, or just went it with a blank slate and did his best. I will say that the example cap above is by far the most jarring one I've seen. Many of the others are quite close to the other editions out there.

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Cronenberg's a smart dude, and knows what he's doing. I respect his opinion enough, I'm really looking forward to seeing how this bluray looks. Everybody was up in arms over Thief but that release looked amazing.