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inri222 10-15-14 08:26 PM

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The Bitter Tears of Petra Von Kant :up:

Have not seen La Cineaga (the dvd was put out by Home Vision) but I might give it a blind buy.
The only film by Lucrecia Martel that I have seen is The Headless Woman and that one is really good.

sandman007 10-15-14 10:50 PM

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I have The Bitter Tears of Petra Von Kant on DVD and still haven't got around to watching it yet.

PhantomStranger 10-16-14 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Giles (Post 12270929)
so how did Criterion get 'Badlands'?

I have no knowledge about that one.

popegregFKAgoblin23 10-16-14 01:53 AM

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The Palm Beach Story and Sullivan's Travels next!!!!! :banana:

nitin77 10-16-14 02:16 AM

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Sword of Doom and the Sturges for me, might pick up the Argentine film too.

As for the news about Erice in 2015, that better be Spirit of the Beehive.

slowcloud 10-16-14 07:08 AM

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'La Cienga' is an amazing film. Like Headless Woman, action is very subtle and below the surface of the banal (actually seemingly nonexistent). It's also a critique of the bourgeoisie. It culminates in a shocking and disturbing finale. So, if you are into that stuff...

I am also a fan of 'My Winnepeg.' For a long time it was a Blockbuster Exclusive rental and that was it! So nice to see Criterion finally release it with their terrific extras. But Maddin is also for the acquired taste (he does have a kinship to Lynch, though).

inri222 10-16-14 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sandman007 (Post 12271414)
I have The Bitter Tears of Petra Von Kant on DVD and still haven't got around to watching it yet.

Great film IMO. Watch the dvd now and decide if you want to upgrade.


Originally Posted by nitin77 (Post 12271508)
As for the news about Erice in 2015, that better be Spirit of the Beehive.

I hope so.


Originally Posted by slowcloud (Post 12271551)
'La Cienga' is an amazing film. Like Headless Woman, action is very subtle and below the surface of the banal (actually seemingly nonexistent). It's also a critique of the bourgeoisie. It culminates in a shocking and disturbing finale. So, if you are into that stuff....

Great, sounds like something I might like.

milo bloom 10-16-14 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12271048)
meh.

I'm happy with my Sword of Doom DVD, and the rest of that lineup does nothing for me.

I just passed up a cheap used copy the other day because I thought it was in that Rebel Samurai box. I should have checked, I had my mobile with me and everything.

(I did end up with Kagemusha, Red Beard and Great Expectations for about $30+ tax total).

Josh Z 10-16-14 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan (Post 12270857)
Based on Josh's list, I'm betting that the title we get next is Inland Empire...

Inland Empire was shot on standard-def video. And not even good standard-def video. Absolute garbage, bottom-of-the-barrel DV. The movie probably could have looked better had Lynch shot it with a 1980s VHS camcorder.

There's no point to putting Inland Empire on Blu-ray. An upconverted Blu-ray was released in the UK and of course it looks atrocious.

Dan 10-16-14 09:38 AM

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Oh, I'm fully aware of how terrible Inland Empire looks. Doesn't the UK Blu-ray have lossless audio, though? That would be the only reason to even consider an upgrade, or a Region A release.

The reason I said I bet it would be the next Lynch title from CC is because, like Eraserhead, Lynch owns it himself, so maybe a deal was struck for that title, too.

Not likely... but possible. :)

inri222 10-16-14 09:40 AM

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Inland Empire Blu Ray reviews :

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDRe...and_empire.htm

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Inland.../10205/#Review

obscurelabel 10-16-14 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Giles (Post 12270929)
so how did Criterion get 'Badlands'?

I don't have anything to back it up, but I have read speculation that some rights are held by producer Edward R. Pressman (the movie was independently produced and then picked up by WB). WB may still have some rights as well but Pressman may have enough ownership interest to get it licensed out.

Josh Z 10-16-14 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 12271685)

5 stars for movie and 4.5 stars for video? BWAAA-HAAAA-HAAAA-HAAAA-HAAAA-HAAAA-HAAAAA!!!

Has Dr. Svet ever met a movie or disc he's given less than 4 stars to?

Decker 10-16-14 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 12270767)
The digital blurring in that (one) shot during Mulholland Drive was mandated in Laura Harring's contract. It's a permanent part of the film. It's not going anywhere.

I very much doubt that digital blurring was stipulated in her contract. The best explanation I could find on the internet was on this site :



For the DVD release Lynch added digital blurring to Laura Harring's nude scene where Rita unrobes and gets into bed with the Betty character. Lynch stated in the chatroom on dl.com: "We did that blurring for the DVD on purpose as we knew that pictures of Laura would be everywhere if we didn't. And later he added, "First - if the shot is timed correctly you should not be able to tell one bit if Laura's pubic hair has been blurred - this probably means some viewers are experimenting to see Laura's pubic hair and more... This is why the picture was blurred - I promised Laura that I would try to protect her as much as possible and told her she would remain a beautiful silhouette against the warm light coming in through the curtains."

inri222 10-16-14 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 12271665)
There's no point to putting Inland Empire on Blu-ray. An upconverted Blu-ray was released in the UK and of course it looks atrocious.



Based on the dvdbeaver comparison I agree. I'll just hold on to my Rhino dvd.
Love the movie but it seems that there is no way to improve the picture quality.

rocket1312 10-16-14 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Decker (Post 12272213)
I very much doubt that digital blurring was stipulated in her contract. The best explanation I could find on the internet was on this site :

Yah, that's always been my understanding. Lynch did it as a favor for Harring. It's kind of ironic given all of the accusations directed at Lynch for exploiting/humiliating his actresses over the years.

As far as Inland Empire is concerned, I'm sure a BD would at the very least improve the compression given it's length. Also, I don't know how the dvd transfer was done, but it's possible it could be improved. The new restoration of Hoop Dreams that is making the rounds is like night and day compared to the Criterion dvd and that was shot on sd video. However, I think that must have been a film print that Criterion used to do their transfer. I assume the Inland Empire dvd was an entirely digital workflow.

hanshotfirst1138 10-16-14 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 12271665)
Inland Empire was shot on standard-def video. And not even good standard-def video. Absolute garbage, bottom-of-the-barrel DV. The movie probably could have looked better had Lynch shot it with a 1980s VHS camcorder. There's no point to putting Inland Empire on Blu-ray. An upconverted Blu-ray was released in the UK and of course it looks atrocious.

No doubt this was an artistic decision for one of Lynch's usual inscrutable reasons?

inri222 10-16-14 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138 (Post 12272502)
No doubt this was an artistic decision for one of Lynch's usual inscrutable reasons?

It was affordable. It has always been hard for him to get financing so he decided to shoot it the most economical way possible. Not only was he the writer & director on IE but he was also one of the producers, the editor, cinematographer, camera operator, sound designer & sound re-recording mixer. I guess the money was tight.

rocket1312 10-17-14 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 12272523)
It was affordable. It has always been hard for him to get financing so he decided to shoot it the most economical way possible. Not only was he the writer & director on IE but he was also one of the producers, the editor, cinematographer, camera operator, sound designer & sound re-recording mixer. I guess the money was tight.

I know he also loved the immediacy of digital. He could go back and watch stuff he just shot without having to wait for dailies and such.

Dan 10-17-14 09:40 AM

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Yeah, in the "Side by Side" documentary, he talks about it a little bit. Keanu asks him if he's done with film and he basically says, "I think so." but that doesn't mean he'll stick with standard-def DV. He could easily get his hands on a high quality digital camera (Red, etc.), but he'd need a cinematographer who knows how best to utilize it.

Josh Z 10-17-14 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 12272346)
As far as Inland Empire is concerned, I'm sure a BD would at the very least improve the compression given it's length.

Even in a best case scenario, we'd be talking about a marginal difference.


Also, I don't know how the dvd transfer was done, but it's possible it could be improved. The new restoration of Hoop Dreams that is making the rounds is like night and day compared to the Criterion dvd and that was shot on sd video.
The problem is that David Lynch likes the way that Inland Empire looks now. He shot it that way on purpose. Even with the cheap prosumer DV camera he used, he could have gotten better image quality out of it if he'd wanted or tried. Simply lighting his shots with something better than a table lamp at the far end of the room would have helped enormously. Lynch claims that he likes the "textures" of the ugly video.

rocket1312 10-17-14 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 12273119)
Even in a best case scenario, we'd be talking about a marginal difference.

Belive me, I'm not advocating for a BD release in the slightest. I'm simply suggesting that there is probably still room for improvement.




The problem is that David Lynch likes the way that Inland Empire looks now. He shot it that way on purpose. Even with the cheap prosumer DV camera he used, he could have gotten better image quality out of it if he'd wanted or tried. Simply lighting his shots with something better than a table lamp at the far end of the room would have helped enormously. Lynch claims that he likes the "textures" of the ugly video.
I know Inland Empire is ugly and that's the way he wants it. My point is, it's possible that a better transfer could still be done depending on how the dvd transfer was made. When I say better, I mean a closer approximation of the original appearance/intentions. I'm not talking about aesthetic beauty.

nitin77 10-17-14 06:41 PM

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having seen the UK BD of Inland Empire, I would say compression is definitely better but the biggest improvement is in the audio mix.

There is no improvement in the movie though (ducks).

inri222 10-17-14 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nitin77 (Post 12273525)
There is no improvement in the movie though (ducks).

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3266/3...4abc2a8619.jpg

hanshotfirst1138 10-17-14 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by Dan (Post 12272971)
Yeah, in the "Side by Side" documentary, he talks about it a little bit. Keanu asks him if he's done with film and he basically says, "I think so." but that doesn't mean he'll stick with standard-def DV. He could easily get his hands on a high quality digital camera (Red, etc.), but he'd need a cinematographer who knows how best to utilize it.

It's going to be academic very shortly, film is going, going, gone :sad:. But in the case of Lynch, we're talking about some who's as non-commercial as it's humanly possible to be, so for him to have cheap consumer equipment available, it probably allowed him to do pretty much whatever he wanted. Apparently when working on it, he basically dreamed stuff up on the spot and worked as he went along. There are lots of filmmakers who make films which deal with difficult subject matter or non-commercial ideas, but few who are as outright obtuse and non-literal. That being said, most of the early digital adopters-the Dogme guys, Boyle, Soderberg, Neveldine/Taylor, Rodriguez, etc. seemed to like the expediency of it, the looseness and freedom it offered to pretty much go and do whatever you wanted without worrying much about the cost of celluloid or cameras, being able to be so spontaneous. That said, idiosyncratic as he is, maybe he does like the ragged, haggard staticky look of it. With Lynch, who the hell knows? That said, digital is a lot more sophisticated now, and for him to wind up using a proper high end camera like and Alexa or a Red is probably forthcoming. Though that would also me he'd have to return to filmmaking, and apparently he's been away for a while doing....whatever it is he's doing.

Solid Snake 10-17-14 10:59 PM

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Last thing he did was a music video for Nine Inch Nails

<iframe width="853" height="480" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/1RN6pT3zL44" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

from wikipedia:


On October 6, 2014, David Lynch confirmed via Twitter that he will start shooting together with Mark Frost a new, 9-episode series of Twin Peaks in 2015. The episodes are expected to air in early 2016 on Showtime.
I never saw Twin Peaks. I'll get the set when it's cheaper.


David Lynch is a filmmaker I'd love to see during the whole process of production for a film. He is very unique and form interviews he seems like a really nice guy too.

nitin77 10-17-14 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138 (Post 12273722)
It's going to be academic very shortly, film is going, going, gone :sad:. But in the case of Lynch, we're talking about some who's as non-commercial as it's humanly possible to be, so for him to have cheap consumer equipment available, it probably allowed him to do pretty much whatever he wanted. Apparently when working on it, he basically dreamed stuff up on the spot and worked as he went along. There are lots of filmmakers who make films which deal with difficult subject matter or non-commercial ideas, but few who are as outright obtuse and non-literal. That being said, most of the early digital adopters-the Dogme guys, Boyle, Soderberg, Neveldine/Taylor, Rodriguez, etc. seemed to like the expediency of it, the looseness and freedom it offered to pretty much go and do whatever you wanted without worrying much about the cost of celluloid or cameras, being able to be so spontaneous. That said, idiosyncratic as he is, maybe he does like the ragged, haggard staticky look of it. With Lynch, who the hell knows? That said, digital is a lot more sophisticated now, and for him to wind up using a proper high end camera like and Alexa or a Red is probably forthcoming. Though that would also me he'd have to return to filmmaking, and apparently he's been away for a while doing....whatever it is he's doing.

the irony of Inland Empire is that you could watch it on a phone or tablet and would not lose much in the visual sense despite Lynch's comments about not being able to say you have watched a film if its on a phone (which I otherwise agree with).

Josh Z 10-20-14 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138 (Post 12273722)
Though that would also me he'd have to return to filmmaking, and apparently he's been away for a while doing....whatever it is he's doing.

In recent years, Lynch has spent most of his time on his self-created art commune, surrounded by sycophantic college grad students who ooh and ahh while he makes weird furniture.

ctyankee 10-20-14 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 12275808)
In recent years, Lynch has spent most of his time on his self-created art commune, surrounded by sycophantic college grad students who ooh and ahh while he makes weird furniture.

Indeed.

inri222 10-20-14 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 12275808)
In recent years, Lynch has spent most of his time on his self-created art commune, surrounded by sycophantic college grad students who ooh and ahh while he makes weird furniture.

What a damn shame. At 68 he should have at least a couple of more films in him.

rocket1312 10-20-14 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 12275892)
What a damn shame. At 68 he should have at least a couple of more films in him.

He's also been doing music. That's why the Twin Peaks announcement is so exciting. Less because Twin Peaks is back, more because Lynch is writing and directing 9 new hours of television.

Shannon Nutt 10-20-14 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 12275924)
He's also been doing music. That's why the Twin Peaks announcement is so exciting. Less because Twin Peaks is back, more because Lynch is writing and directing 9 new hours of television.

AND shooting it on film to boot - so much for his new love affair with digital.

rocket1312 10-20-14 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt (Post 12276015)
AND shooting it on film to boot - so much for his new love affair with digital.

Has that been confirmed? I know he has re-professed his love for film recently, but everything I've read about him shooting Twin Peaks on film has been pure speculation.

slop101 10-30-14 05:33 PM

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Is this re-release of Criterion's Leopard a new transfer?

LPMA 10-30-14 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12287125)
Is this re-release of Criterion's Leopard a new transfer?

I think it's just a new, non digipak case.

islandclaws 10-30-14 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 12276065)
Has that been confirmed? I know he has re-professed his love for film recently, but everything I've read about him shooting Twin Peaks on film has been pure speculation.

He said that watching the Missing Pieces on film reminded him of the life it has, so he more or less confirmed it himself.

rocket1312 10-31-14 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by islandclaws (Post 12287160)
He said that watching the Missing Pieces on film reminded him of the life it has, so he more or less confirmed it himself.

I've read the quote, but until someone says "Twin Peaks is being shot on film," it's not really confirmed. That's what I'm looking for.

On a completely unrelated note, Criterion's newsletter yesterday hinted at Carol Reed's Odd Man out. It's a title that's been rumored for years, so I'm glad to finally see it happening.

Giles 10-31-14 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LPMA (Post 12287144)
I think it's just a new, non digipak case.

yes, not everyone digs the recent 4K transfer /2.55 AR version of 'The Leopard' but I'm surprised that Criterion hasn't bit on releasing said version here in the States.

rocket1312 10-31-14 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Giles (Post 12287731)
yes, not everyone digs the recent 4K transfer /2.55 AR version of 'The Leopard' but I'm surprised that Criterion hasn't bit on releasing said version here in the States.

I don't think Criterion has ever upgraded one of their blu-rays before. Either way, the disc is only 4 years old. I can't imagine it sells enough to merit a re-issue so soon.

edit: The new Playtime blu is an upgrade, but it's only available in the Tati boxset.

inri222 10-31-14 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Giles (Post 12287731)
yes, not everyone digs the recent 4K transfer /2.55 AR version of 'The Leopard' but I'm surprised that Criterion hasn't bit on releasing said version here in the States.

2.55??? I thought the correct framing was suppose to be 2.21.


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