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DJariya 08-18-21 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 13972499)
How is OUaTiC series? Don’t know much about it, but sounds interesting. Never a huge Jet Li fan, but I guess this was before Jet Li of American made films.

It’s early 1990s period martial arts. They are considered classics from director Tsui Hark. If you don’t know who that is or are not really a fan of period martial arts or Jet Li, this is not for you at all. Don’t waste your money on something you’ll never watch.

The movies are mainly about the legend of Wong Fei Fong, who has been chronicled in many Chinese movies over many decades.

OldBoy 08-18-21 10:15 PM

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I know these will all go lower, but what’s up with the Amazon pricing, even for Blus? Higher than I’ve ever seen even a few months in advance. China is $125, Kane $50, I never saw those prices. Especially Kane which is just one movie.

OldBoy 08-18-21 10:17 PM

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Can’t wait to get into the BL set…

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...ce054b503.jpeg

OldBoy 08-18-21 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 13972507)
It’s early 1990s period martial arts. They are considered classics from director Tsui Hark. If you don’t know who that is or are not really a fan of period martial arts or Jet Li, this is not for you at all. Don’t waste your money on something you’ll never watch.

The movies are mainly about the legend of Wong Fei Fong, who has been chronicled in many Chinese movies over many decades.

I thought they sounded interesting. I really like Martial Arts films especially when done right. The Ip Man films, Crouching Tiger…, Woo’s Red Cliff saga, Bruce Lee, though he’s more modern of course. Why wouldn’t I like this?

rocket1312 08-19-21 08:31 AM

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I think the original Once Upon a Time in China is one the great movies of all time, Hong Kong or otherwise. It's epic and timeless yet says a whole lot about the turmoil in Hong Kong as it approached the handover to China. The action is mostly great, but it's also a little uneven because of behind the scenes problems. I think they went through 3 different action directors? Jet Li also injured himself badly during production and required heavily doubling. He was never really the same after that. That said, the movie has so much going for it beyond the action, that it doesn't matter. A classic.

The second one is usually held up as one of the greats as well. Some even think it's better than the original. The plotting is a bit tighter and the action is more consistent (Jet vs Donnie Yen!), but I thought the politics were simplified a bit and it definitely feels like a sequel rather than a bold new vision in cinema. I don't think it's as good as the original, but I still love it.

In all honesty the rest of the set is hit or miss. If you're a big fan of the genre, the set is absolutely worth it (especially since 4 & 5 have been tough to see in recent years), but after part 2 it's mostly downhill. Tsui just doesn't have as much to say and the action begins to feel repetitive. I'm buying it day 1 without a doubt, but my suggestion to anyone on the fence would be to check out the first 2 films. If you love them and are willing to drop $65 (sale price) on the set on the basis of those two alone, then you'll be good to go. You won't be disappointed. If not, buyer beware.

rocket1312 08-19-21 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 13972508)
I know these will all go lower, but what’s up with the Amazon pricing, even for Blus? Higher than I’ve ever seen even a few months in advance. China is $125, Kane $50, I never saw those prices. Especially Kane which is just one movie.

OUATIC is a 6 disc, 6 movie set. Pricing is perfectly in line with something like the Jacques Demy set.

Citizen Kane is a 4 disc set (or 3 disc for blu-ray only). Again, perfectly in line with previous pricing. In fact you might even be getting a deal considering the 3 disc blu-ray edition is priced the same as their 2 disc blu-rays like Seven Samurai.

PhantomStranger 08-20-21 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 13972508)
I know these will all go lower, but what’s up with the Amazon pricing, even for Blus? Higher than I’ve ever seen even a few months in advance. China is $125, Kane $50, I never saw those prices. Especially Kane which is just one movie.

Now that Best Buy is on its last legs as a media seller, Amazon has no more serious pricing competition. Amazon only lowers prices when matching Target, Walmart or Best Buy these days. Try looking into music releases now that retail music has collapsed - Amazon sets a price and almost never drops much lower unless they are clearing out their warehouses.

rocket1312 08-20-21 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 13973213)
Now that Best Buy is on its last legs as a media seller, Amazon has no more serious pricing competition. Amazon only lowers prices when matching Target, Walmart or Best Buy these days. Try looking into music releases now that retail music has collapsed - Amazon sets a price and almost never drops much lower unless they are clearing out their warehouses.

Amazon pricing Criterion titles at full retail early on in the preorder period is SOP for them. They'll go down before release. They always do.

Adam Tyner 08-20-21 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 13973216)
Amazon pricing Criterion titles at full retail early on in the preorder period is SOP for them. They'll go down before release. They always do.

This is the correct answer.

Gizmo 08-20-21 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 13973213)
Now that Best Buy is on its last legs as a media seller, Amazon has no more serious pricing competition. Amazon only lowers prices when matching Target, Walmart or Best Buy these days. Try looking into music releases now that retail music has collapsed - Amazon sets a price and almost never drops much lower unless they are clearing out their warehouses.

Best Buy is terrible with physical media (movies and games) as a whole. I think my local one might have 500ish BD titles in store - either new releases or evergreen titles. The day of browsing is gone. Wal-Mart/Target are equally as bad, but they were never as big as Best Buy.

I picked up a dozen or so 4k titles in the past month from eBay and such as local retailers don't even carry them (X-men, Planet of the Apes, few others I wanted to upgrade from BD to 4K).

dex14 08-20-21 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 13973216)
Amazon pricing Criterion titles at full retail early on in the preorder period is SOP for them. They'll go down before release. They always do.

Not to mention all of those November releases will be 50% off during the November sale. I don’t know why anyone would by these outside of the 4 times a year when they are 50% off.

rocket1312 08-20-21 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dex14 (Post 13973254)
Not to mention all of those November releases will be 50% off during the November sale. I don’t know why anyone would by these outside of the 4 times a year when they are 50% off.

Have you met oldboy?

dex14 08-20-21 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 13973262)
Have you met oldboy?

I mean anyone.

dex14 08-31-21 10:49 AM

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They listened!


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...cba686f5a.jpeg


New look, new date, new additional format! Our upcoming edition of the Safdie brothers’ kinetic thriller, previously announced as Blu-ray and DVD editions for October, will now be released on November 23, with new cover art. Plus, we’ve added a 4K UHD+Blu-ray combo edition!

Dan 08-31-21 11:19 AM

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Nice. I hope they do the same for Roma some day.

TheBang 08-31-21 02:55 PM

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Holy shit, yes! My favorite film that year. Now I can get the 4K.

dex14 09-09-21 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dex14 (Post 13879466)

Inland Empire has been added to Janus' website:
https://www.janusfilms.com/films/2039

OldBoy 09-11-21 09:32 PM

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Anyone see this movie? I never heard of. Sounds great though. Love Jordan’s stuff, though haven’t seen his most famous or infamous in The Crying Game. Not sure why I haven’t seen it. Maybe cause I know the twist already makes me not eager, but I have it, should see this cultural icon of a movie. Revered as much as parodied. No reason unless I’m homophobic, which I’m not, but maybe subconscious. Hmmm. Seriously I should see it, I should become more focused, I should stop smoking…

Anyway, the movie, out Tuesday, anyone see?

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...17e7f10f6.jpeg

slop101 09-12-21 01:02 AM

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It's fine. Well written/acted. Not something I'd ever want to own and/or watch again.

Decker 09-12-21 01:12 AM

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I liked it, but I saw it on University shortly after its theatrical run and haven’t seen it since. Pretty sure it was the first thing that I saw Bob Hoskins in.

Josh Z 09-12-21 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 13982944)
Love Jordan’s stuff, though haven’t seen his most famous or infamous in The Crying Game. Not sure why I haven’t seen it. Maybe cause I know the twist already makes me not eager, but I have it, should see this cultural icon of a movie. Revered as much as parodied. No reason unless I’m homophobic, which I’m not, but maybe subconscious. Hmmm.

The Crying Game works fine whether you know the twist or not. I saw the movie very early, at the beginning of its initial limited release, before there'd been any hype around it. I didn't even know there was supposed to be a plot twist. Yet I figured it out right away, at the character's first introduction. Frankly, I thought it was plainly obvious, not surprising at all to anyone except the main character. It's still a good movie. It has a lot going on beyond that plot twist.

OldBoy 09-14-21 06:21 PM

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^ I’ll check it out. Thx. And Mona Lisa is streaming on HBO Max and it’s the restoration as it says Criterion Collection before starts.

OldBoy 09-14-21 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 13983181)
The Crying Game works fine whether you know the twist or not. I saw the movie very early, at the beginning of its initial limited release, before there'd been any hype around it. I didn't even know there was supposed to be a plot twist. Yet I figured it out right away, at the character's first introduction. Frankly, I thought it was plainly obvious, not surprising at all to anyone except the main character. It's still a good movie. It has a lot going on beyond that plot twist.

so worth a purchase? Is there a good Blu out there with nice extras or stream fine? Is it rewatchable? Mean kinda drab and dark with of course, great acting by Rea and Davidson, who both nominated.

** why the hell don’t they even have on Blu???**

dex14 09-15-21 11:11 AM

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December:

The Red Shoes UHD will have HDR DV.

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rocket1312 09-15-21 03:10 PM

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DV on The Red Shoes! Yes!

Now bring me Colonel Blimp, A Matter of Life and Death and Black Narcissus. I'll take I Know Where I'm Going on blu while they're at it.

slop101 09-15-21 04:01 PM

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Tales of Hoffman in 4K would be insane!
(I don't think they've put that out on blu yet, so it might need a new 8K transfer, if they haven't already done it)

Hazel Motes 09-15-21 05:36 PM

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Man Criterion really took the diversity criticism to heart.

rocket1312 09-15-21 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 13984766)
Tales of Hoffman in 4K would be insane!
(I don't think they've put that out on blu yet, so it might need a new 8K transfer, if they haven't already done it)

Tales of Hoffman has already been restored. Studio Canal released it in the UK on Blu. I think a 4k might be coming? Don't remember. That was one title Criterion lost the rights to years back, but the chatter online suggests they may have gotten back now that Studio Canal is sharing again. There was also talk that Thelma Schoonmaker specifically wants Criterion to release it.

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Josh Z 09-15-21 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 13984766)
Tales of Hoffman in 4K would be insane!
(I don't think they've put that out on blu yet, so it might need a new 8K transfer, if they haven't already done it)

Why would it need an 8K transfer?

BuckNaked2k 09-15-21 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 13982944)
Anyone see this movie? I never heard of. Sounds great though. Love Jordan’s stuff, though haven’t seen his most famous or infamous in The Crying Game. Not sure why I haven’t seen it. Maybe cause I know the twist already makes me not eager, but I have it, should see this cultural icon of a movie. Revered as much as parodied. No reason unless I’m homophobic, which I’m not, but maybe subconscious. Hmmm. Seriously I should see it, I should become more focused, I should stop smoking…

Anyway, the movie, out Tuesday, anyone see?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...8df763a230.jpg


It's good. Had the Arrow for years.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...9e2f8812c0.jpg


slop101 09-16-21 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 13984911)
Why would it need an 8K transfer?

Because it's so pretty?

Josh Z 09-17-21 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 13985326)
Because it's so pretty?

Doesn't mean it has anywhere near 8K worth of detail on the negative.

dex14 09-22-21 08:00 AM

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We’re also hearing that a new 4K restoration of Miloš Forman’s Amadeus (1984) might be coming in the months ahead from Criterion, licensed to them by Warner Bros. This would include at least the theatrical version, which Forman ultimately considered to be his official director’s cut. (What’s been commonly known as the director’s cut was apparently felt by Forman to be a “DVD Cut” only.)
https://thedigitalbits.com/columns/m...IkoM4F_p758f30

E Unit 09-22-21 10:52 AM

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Long long overdue, and a Criterion offering. Too bad Forman is no longer around to provide additional extras and guidance.

Decker 09-22-21 11:05 AM

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I love that movie, but the DVD/Blu Ray is already loaded with extras. Wish they'd do a special edition of Ragtime. I guess Paramount doesn't license much to Criterion.

clckworang 09-22-21 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Decker (Post 13987513)
I love that movie, but the DVD/Blu Ray is already loaded with extras. Wish they'd do a special edition of Ragtime. I guess Paramount doesn't license much to Criterion.

I think it will be worth it just to have the theatrical version on something besides DVD. I appreciate the longer cut, but I don't think it's as strong.

Decker 09-22-21 11:36 AM

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But...it has boobs in it!

Josh Z 09-22-21 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Decker (Post 13987513)
I love that movie, but the DVD/Blu Ray is already loaded with extras. Wish they'd do a special edition of Ragtime. I guess Paramount doesn't license much to Criterion.

Paramount is releasing its own special edition of Ragtime as part of the Paramount Presents line on Nov. 16. It will include the theatrical cut mastered in 4K and a workprint copy of Forman's longer Director's Cut.

Decker 09-22-21 12:27 PM

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Good to know, thanks!

Josh Z 09-22-21 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Decker (Post 13987541)
Good to know, thanks!

Special Features

  • Deleted and Extended Scenes—NEW!
  • Ragtime Revisited: A Conversation with Larry Karaszewski and screenwriter Michael Weller on Ragtime
  • Commentary by director Milos Forman and executive producer Michael Hausman
  • Deleted Scene
  • Remembering Ragtime
  • Director’s Cut Workprint—NEW!


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