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Because Warner has released Stagecoach a couple of times and repackaged it at least twice as well, maybe they think it's more profitable to not invest in the production of a new release when they could just sit back and collect a licensing fee. There could also be some sort of quid pro quo...we'll license this to you, but you license to us the extras you produced for these titles...

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I dunno man...sometimes those features are, Dare I say it, more valuable than the films they're about? Which WB films has CC done, if any?

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From the DVD era, I'm not sure if there are any, but Criterion released Citizen Kane, Blade Runner, North by Northwest, Singin' in the Rain, Forbidden Planet, The Wizard of Oz, The Adventures of Robin Hood, 2001, and the original King Kong on LD. Warner's licensing agreement with Criterion was only signed last year, but I didn't know if Criterion had maybe compiled extras for something that had wound up under the Warner banner after being released or if another agreement had been grandfathered in...

I don't know what their deal with Warner is like. Maybe Criterion insisted on having some marquee titles like Stagecoach...maybe Warner was just willing to part ways with it since they've made their money off a couple of DVD releases already.

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Rather interesting event between the two, no? I'd like to know more of their agreement. And what we get out of that cuz...Stagecoach is an awesome event on itself.

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I am in!

What if . . . just what if . . . we see more releases from Criterion WB doesn't care about putting on Blu . . . ?

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WB usually does a good job with their classic films, but whatever it takes to get more titles released is fine with me.

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That's the thought that's been running in my head, since I typed up my questions. Which films (and this is fucking hard cuz WB has an awesome amount amazing films that people, even BEYOND we the cinephiles, love....they're just that damn good) would WB think about doing that too? I mean...c'mon...STAGECOACH! That's a big deal for us. The thought that WB is letting CC do that is amazing. That film is monumental (I actually didn't mean to pun it here but..it is that good) in the scheme of the Western genre and Cinema overall. Possibly....I dunno. My mind can't grasp WB doing that but...here we are w/ Stagecoach by CC on Blu. This is a big deal, I assume, for CC's future IF things like this happen.

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I agree WB has done a good job of classic films on DVD . . .

But maybe they don't see the value in releasing some of them on Blu-ray . . . the next laserdisc-like niche product some argue. But let's not have that argument and just be happy we are getting Stagecoach and look forward to the future!

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I'm unfamiliar with Stagecoach, is this like the equivalent of Disney giving The Lion King to Criterion or something?

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In a way, yes (depending if you think Lion King is an amazing film and etc blah blah....I thought it was good but I also haven't seen it in 10 yrs)

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No surprises among the four, but still easily their best month of 2010 so far.

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The rights to film seems a bit muddy, based on Wikipedia:

Maybe WB didn't want to mess with obtaining a clean print, so they let Criterion handle it.

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well...damn...that's a murky rights issue there.

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Really thrilled about the month. The first month in many where I'll be getting all of them... and quickly!

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Already sold my copy of M so I've got a big chunk of the Blu-ray paid for. This will be a triple dip on that one, but I love the movie so no complaints. Guess I should start saving up for the Criterion 2K version on the next format.

However, Criterion got the rights to Stagecoach I am glad they are releasing it. Can't wait. Love the movie. One of the few Wayne movies I like, but it and Searchers are among my favorite films.

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Warner Brothers do not own Stagecoach. They had licensed the rights to Stagecoach and a number of other titles from the owners, The Caidin Trust.

As part of cut backs Warners decided to stop licensing from third parties, so titles from the Caidin Trust, Charlie Chaplin estate, etc. became available and were picked up by Criterion.

Other Caidin titles that were formerly distributed by Warner Brothers but are now with Criterion include John Ford's The Long Voyage Home, Alfred Hitchcock's Foreign Correspondent, Ernst Lubitsch's To Be or Not To Be.

Criterion are also releasing the Charlie Chaplin films at some point in the future. (all the Warner discs are long OOP)

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I totally forgot about the Chaplin stuff. Damn, that's going to be awesome.

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I have 4 of those Chaplin dvds - I had no idea they were even OOP, and it looks like they're going for some decent change. If Criterion's going to re-release them, I may as well sell the ones I have for now, since I know Criterion will one-up those - possibly even in blu-ray.

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I sadly never got the sets though I did check them all out from the library and watch them. This is a definitely good news. Criterion will go all out with Chaplin.

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I was upset that I missed the Chaplin set too until I was told that most of the transfer had issues with them so I'm hoping that the Criterion will be better.

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Criterion City Lights :up:

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The transfer for the WB Chaplin sets have really bad ghosting issues since they were badly transferred from the PAL MK2 releases. Criterion will make sure that doesn't happen.

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Wow, both Hunger and Revanche showed up to me today from DVDPlanet.

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Well if Warner was to release this EXACT same version of Stagecoach with the new extras (old ones not ported over), most of you would bitch and moan that this is a needless double dip.

See how ecstatic everyone is by the simple fact that this is a CRITERION release?

Ultimately, it may be more profitable for studios to license their films to Criterion after they are done releasing it as opposed to double or triple dipping. A Criterion release opens up a whole new consumer market who would not even consider the earlier studio release, even for an academically worthy film.

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I would imagine most people are excited about this being a Blu-ray release, first and foremost. If WB re-released it as such, with new extras, it would garner the same excitement. A DVD-only re-release would still be applauded, since the transfer on the pre-existing disc is so lousy.

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yea i really don't give a shit who puts out STAGECOACH, i'm just glad it'll be on blu-ray.

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Let's not forget that this release almost amounts to a double-feature, as an earlier, 54-minute Ford Western will also be included, most likely in HD as well. Add what will surely be another superbly insightful Tag Gallagher video essay, among many other extras, and this amounts to a landmark release, and a sure-fire candidate for disc of the year. There are more than enough valid reasons to feel ecstatic without having to rely on what smirnoffski rather condescendingly refers to as the "simple facts" of the C on the cover and the number on the spine, which are essentially irrelevant, except perhaps as symbols of unimpeachable quality.

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Well said. Warner releasing Stagecoach on Blu-ray would be pretty big news.

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To me it's like this...

1.Criterion's releasing a Ford film on Blu. Wow.
2. Criterion's releasing STAGECOACH on BLU!?!? Fucking awesome
3.What? They're releasing it on Blu AND putting in a bunch of awesome features AND an old silent Ford Film? I just went in my pants cuz of the awesomeness.

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You should really try the squeeze method to prevent this embarrassing problem from happening in the future.

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I wonder if Blu-ray is still seen as niche to the studios, whereas they are more likely to license out older films to Criterion.

Like I don't see Fox releasing films like Night of the Hunter or even Some Like It Hot on Blu-ray.

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Maybe they don't find a financial worth for releasing old films that won't get a lot of attention? I mean....we can all see how WB MIGHT not see Stagecoach in the same light as Casablanca. It's not a drama. It's a western. An old western. Which means...most people don't give a shit about it unless it's star is alive and still doing badass stuff. IE Clint Eastwood, though what makes Eastwood different is that he did a varied level of work all the way up to now (bear w/ me here) he wasn't dictated as much to a genre as (the amazing and legendary) John Wayne. Wayne is the Western genre (I'm uncomfortable saying that and what I'm about to say but...to people who are like us and know film it's true). The western isn't as cool as it was for our parents.

Saying that. I'm 23 yrs. old. A film major at UNT. Have Mexican parents who each parent enjoyed different genres. Dad- HK action cinema and U.S. action movies. Mom-Westerns and dramas (with some Mexican films for the both thrown in there too). Not many people around my age give a damn about the western. It's a B movie genre type (again I hate saying that) that thrived like crazy but it's not hot anymore. That's where I see studios not really pushing a film like Stagecoach. And it's also the why.


ooooh!!!!
Well look here.

http://www.amazon.com/Pierrot-fou-Cr...6113833&sr=8-1
Seems like Amazon doesn't have Pierrot Le Fou anymore. So fucking lucky I have it now. Well at least it's out on the Blu.

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Not only that but the DVD version is no longer available at the Criterion site. If any of you want the Blu-ray I'd order it ASAP.

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This has been much rumored as a Criterion Blu-ray later in 2010.

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Awesome news.

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No, it's just temporarily out of stock. All of the DVDs have been since they announced the OOP sale.

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*Hiccup!*

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Wha!? That would be incredible. I would love to see what supplementary features Criterion could put together for Night of the Hunter.

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I stress the word rumored at this point. This was posted on the Criterion Forum recently: There have been other mentions of this title as well over the last few months, but obviously nothing concrete. As far as supplementary materials, there is potentially a treasure-trove. In his fascinating book Heaven and Hell to Play With: The Filming of "The Night of the Hunter", Preston Neal describes the extensive surviving outtakes from the film in detail, so those could certainly be included, as well as the original introduction, narrated by Charles Laughton. Possibly some or all of these would have been part of the postponed (and now presumably shelved) MGM 2-disc SE.

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Yeah, figured I would check some sites I frequent while winding down from a "long night"...