CoD
NHL
Last of Us
GTA V
Watch Dogs
Destiny alpha/beta


Those are the games that have gotten most of my play time, and the face buttons aren't as important as the right stick in them.

And you never use buttons on the right side? You don't duck, jump, switch weapons, etc. playing any of these games? You just like to walk/run around and look around with the right stick?

Not the same.

And you never turn around, just walk in a straight line in these games?

As Chess said, not the same.

Of course not, but to say that the right stick is used more than any other button isn't probably accurate. I'd like to see some statistics to prove me wrong.

How about you produce statistics? It's your argument.

I have absolutely no doubt about the shooters, both first person and third. Right thumb conservatively spends 80% of the time on the right stick, which is in a brutally painful location on every console but the WiiU AFAIK.

And if NHL still works the way I remember it, that too.

Not used more than any other button, just used more than the four face buttons.

My argument? I didn't bring up button usage. JTH182 did. And I wasn't demanding statistics at all. If they're around, great. I'm not going to waste my time arguing about button usage. It's just funny to say one doesn't use the right buttons as much as the right stick when talking about things like first person shooters. If you don't duck, jump, or change weapons much, you're doing it wrong. I know I was jumping/gliding/sliding/changing weapons quite a bit during Destiny, for example. Even if it is just a small percentage, your thumb being placed for better access/reach trumps frequency. I'm not sure how the sticks work out better on the Wii U, they're just up top and spread out further away vs the DS4.

Slow day if we are arguing about sticks and button usage.

That's what she said.

She also said that...

I never really thought about which buttons games relied on; I always felt or assumed most games used buttons since that's the way it was in the past, but I guess shooters definitely rely on the right stick for aiming. I think its a decent mix, I mean something like God of War is all button mashing, as do a lot of 2d/3d platformers that have fixed cameras. Sports games seem to try and use the right stick for different functionality as a "hit stick" in Madden or iso-motion in NBA2K, but the face buttons obviously get a ton of use too. So maybe it just depends on the type of games you're playing? It's all preference in the end, but I still always got the feeling that most people seemed to like the 360 layout still based on completely anecdotal internet 'pulse'

People liked the 360 better because the DS3 wasn't executed well, not because it was symmetric.

My position is that neither symmetric or asymmetric is inherently better. Either can be great (DS4, 360, GC) and either can suck (DC, DS3) or anywhere in between depending on execution.

Way to pick a side, fence sitter.

While there's certainly other ergonomic factors, from this very thread it sure sounds like being asymmetrical is one of the positives for many people

Exactly. I wasn't saying either one was better than the other (but for the games I play most, I have a favorite ). I was responding to Michael Corvin presenting opinion as fact. It just so happened Brack decided to jump in and defend it.

I don't follow closely enough to know who owns each system, or both, but I have a sneaking suspicion it all comes down to you like the controller of the system you own because that's what you're used to.

Does that make us all just a bunch of fanboys? Possibly

Dreamcast had the best controller of all.

It had a VMU even.

call me when I can be the controller...

Yeah, as much as I still like the 360 controller, I never bought into this argument that it's somehow inherently uncomfortable to rest symmetric hands in a symmetrical position.

Literally the only controller other than the 2600 to give me actual hand cramps.

The way those handles were angled in at the bottom...thank goodness for third party controllers.

Well it does sound kind of dumb when you put it that way.