Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 11829110)

It's not about hacking.

It's not even about paranoia, it's the contribution to the derailing of original thought that this sort of constant "under-observation" society can bring about. It's already happening. We've gotten so used to a level of surveillance now that would've been not just unheard of back in the '70s or '80s, but completely unacceptable. But now, because it's been happening so gradually, there's this attitude of [exaggerating] "so what, what do I care if someone's watching me masturbate. I'm not ashamed of that..." Which is totally not even the point.

It's just such a fundamental WRONG that I can't even explain it to someone who doesn't have a problem with an ever-watching camera in their living room. I'm 42, and in the '80s, Orwell's 1984 wasn't some science fiction, but rather a cautionary tale about how life will be if the Soviets win; a camera in your home, and your entire life under surveillance. We actually developed a nuclear arsenal because we'd rather destroy the human species, rather than be subjugated into that sort of society. That's how the cold war was sold to us: live free or die. So being brought up under that, when I hear that there's going to be a game console which, by the way, bugs your house so they can sell your conversations to advertisers, my gut reaction is to want to burn down the factory where they're making these things.

Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 11829110)

It's not about hacking.

It's not even about paranoia, it's the contribution to the derailing of original thought that this sort of constant "under-observation" society can bring about. It's already happening. We've gotten so used to a level of surveillance now that would've been not just unheard of back in the '70s or '80s, but completely unacceptable. But now, because it's been happening so gradually, there's this attitude of [exaggerating] "so what, what do I care if someone's watching me masturbate. I'm not ashamed of that..." Which is totally not even the point.

It's just such a fundamental WRONG that I can't even explain it to someone who doesn't have a problem with an ever-watching camera in their living room. I'm 42, and in the '80s, Orwell's 1984 wasn't some science fiction, but rather a cautionary tale about how life will be if the Soviets win; a camera in your home, and your entire life under surveillance. We actually developed a nuclear arsenal because we'd rather destroy the human species, rather than be subjugated into that sort of society. That's how the cold war was sold to us: live free or die. So being brought up under that, when I hear that there's going to be a game console which, by the way, bugs your house so they can sell your conversations to advertisers, my gut reaction is to want to burn down the factory where they're making these things.

Originally Posted by bippitty (Post 11829114)

Some folks here, apparently, believe that only the paranoid would want to unplug it.

Is it paranoid to lock your doors? A lot of houses get robbed, sure. But can you provide any links to my house getting robbed? Even houses that have locked doors get robbed. You have the option to lock your doors, but you're a nutjob if you do.

Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 11829110)

It's not about hacking.

It's not even about paranoia, it's the contribution to the derailing of original thought that this sort of constant "under-observation" society can bring about. It's already happening. We've gotten so used to a level of surveillance now that would've been not just unheard of back in the '70s or '80s, but completely unacceptable. But now, because it's been happening so gradually, there's this attitude of [exaggerating] "so what, what do I care if someone's watching me masturbate. I'm not ashamed of that..." Which is totally not even the point.

It's just such a fundamental WRONG that I can't even explain it to someone who doesn't have a problem with an ever-watching camera in their living room. I'm 42, and in the '80s, Orwell's 1984 wasn't some science fiction, but rather a cautionary tale about how life will be if the Soviets win; a camera in your home, and your entire life under surveillance. We actually developed a nuclear arsenal because we'd rather destroy the human species, rather than be subjugated into that sort of society. That's how the cold war was sold to us: live free or die. So being brought up under that, when I hear that there's going to be a game console which, by the way, bugs your house so they can sell your conversations to advertisers, my gut reaction is to want to burn down the factory where they're making these things.

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 11829139)

So no, no one is against the option to unplug it. The house example is a bit overboard, but do you also never make online purchases, have social media accounts in Facebook, Twitter, etc., or have any sort of online presence? Those have been hacked, but if you still happily use them isn't that just as bad as worrying about a Kinect camera? That's all i'm getting at giving the citations of other cameras being hacked that you provided.

Regardless it's silly, the Kinect can be unplugged so it's a non issue if I think it's paranoia for people that still somehow want the convenience of an on/off switch.

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 11829139)

So no, no one is against the option to unplug it. The house example is a bit overboard, but do you also never make online purchases, have social media accounts in Facebook, Twitter, etc., or have any sort of online presence?

Originally Posted by Music (Post 11829231)

If MS or anyone else wants to secretly turn it on watch me play whack-a-mole, then more power to them.

Originally Posted by Music (Post 11829231)

If MS or anyone else wants to secretly turn it on and watch me play whack-a-mole, then more power to them.

Originally Posted by bippitty (Post 11829219)

I do. But just like my house, I take what precautions I can.



The only issue that I have left with MS over Kinect is that I won't get any use out of it, so I don't want to pay for it. I would've only been worried about it if I couldn't unplug it. Just because I lock my doors doesn't mean I'm in a frenzy of fear.

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 11829321)

To me, your online presence across multiple sites is far more worrisome then having a Kinect connected if you have any privacy fears. I can see why people get scared over a camera because it feels more intimate, but worrying about one so much more then the other is still a bit strange to me.

Originally Posted by bippitty (Post 11829336)

I don't know that people are more worried about Kinect than other privacy threats. The Kinect seems more immediately relevant to a "What do you think about Microsoft's new console?" thread.

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 11829357)

Again, to me the equivalent response to believing the Kinect should be completely disconnected for security reasons would be to completely delete multiple online profiles that exist, which is just as easy...

Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 11829361)

That comparison doesn't make sense. When people disconnect a Kinect, they can reconnect it at will and be using it again in no time. Whereas deleting an online profile would necessitate recreating it to go back on that site/service, then deleting it again when done, then recreating it again, etc.... which seems like far more hassle.

To me, disconnecting the Kinect would be more akin to simply logging out of online profiles when done. Sure, many of us stay logged into one site or service almost always, and don't even bother logging out when closing a browser or shutting down a PC, but the option is there, and those that are a little more security/privacy conscious can choose to do so.

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 11829367)

Didn't mean to derail things that much.

Originally Posted by discostu1337 (Post 11829446)

Do people still not understand that the Xbox One turns completely off if you desire?

Originally Posted by bippitty (Post 11829481)

Odd then, that there's so much of it about.

Originally Posted by discostu1337 (Post 11829446)

Do people still not understand that the Xbox One turns completely off if you desire?

Originally Posted by nickdawgy (Post 11829637)

I found this at CAG:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDlPs7Xx2gA

Not sure if it was posted before, or if it's even up anymore, but kind of cool anyway.

Originally Posted by Raul3 (Post 11829793)

And yeah, if they think you are terrorist is more easy that they go after your smartphone than your Kinect.