Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Too late... they have your code... resistance is futile.

Re: The Ironically Thoughtless Xbox One Thread
 

Minecraft!! :lol: :sad:

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

rotfl

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

More cheer leading from MS staff:
;)
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/0...-of-consumers/

Some bits:
when we did the original Kinect take-home... and we were testing for different homes, different lighting conditions, the beta take-home had all of the Kinect games available to be played off the hard drive. One of the number one pieces of feedback for the take-home—remember, we were testing facial recognition, voice recognition, lighting, gestures—the number one piece of feedback: 'Why can't all my games be played off my hard drive like this?'"

"It really sat with the team," Penello continued. "Once we were able to actually just launch from game to game to game without having to get up and put in a disc, do it right from sitting down at your couch, we were like, 'Holy crap, putting in discs sucks.' No one ever believes me when I tell this story, but that was absolutely the genesis of the whole thing—how can we have a system now where I just have my whole game library just sitting on the console, so if I want to switch between games as easy as I switch between apps on my phone."

Penello says he's "glad we made the change" to allow discs on the Xbox One to work like they always have. But he also expressed some regret over how Microsoft initially sold its all-digital vision to the public. "Certainly our messaging was horrible," he admitted. "One of the things I think happened is it's something that leaked and people had had time to think about all the worst-case scenarios, so by the time we actually confirmed it... all the rumors about it had been leaking out, and people had gone and gotten themselves into a frenzy about it. When we announced it, people didn't hear everything, they just heard the confirmation of the things that they were worried about."

"I think over the last couple of years, we were focused on those new customers coming in, and I think we lost touch a little bit with the core gamers," he said. "My joke internally is our relationship with the core gamer is like your best friend whose phone calls you didn't return until you asked him for $500.' I think it's fair feedback, I think it was a wake up call for the team."

and the last one, about Sony in particular:

"Things that the other guys are getting away with is mind-boggling to me."

When pressed, he brought up one example from the coverage of Sony and the PS4 that he found particularly galling. "I only give this as an example because if this was us it would be the biggest news on the planet: no one has seen their box. No one has actually seen the insides of that box, no one has seen a piece of code running on their box. [Dev kits] are not the retail unit. The form factor they've shown—we showed the inside of our box, the inside of our unit back at E3. Everything you're seeing here is running off production code, except for the games that are still running on PC.

"I still haven't seen anything running on that actual [PS4] box," he continued. "It could be meaningless, I'm not condemning them to anything, but you've got a dev kit that's this big and a form factor that's this big, and I would like to see that running in that box. If we were doing the same thing... when we had that little thing at E3 where someone was running on a PC, even though we had said some games will be running on PCs, it was a huge conflict—[people said] we're having connection problems, we're having development problems. Now I'm showing everything running on a real shipping unit, and if the roles were reversed it'd be the biggest [issue]: 'We're all screwed, everything's terrible.'"

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

That's a great analogy.

Not sure I get the complaint about not seeing the inside of the box.

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Really? I think he explains it entirely in those last couple sentences; Microsoft was flooded with rumors about hardware issues and production delays the last few months while being more open about showing and discussing their actual hardware, where as Sony has bee completely free of those rumors while keeping their system more tightly covered up.

Pretty much just some sour grapes from Microsoft though, saying no fair that they would get more shit if their console was kept as under wraps as Sony's.

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Yeah, I see what he's saying. They have been having an uphill battle since E3. I'm not saying they don't deserve some of the criticism, because if there wasn't an outcry, there is a chance nothing would have changed. And that box, whatever it even might have been, would be a failure. So I think the changes they have made so far have been good, and would go as far to say that they have been listening to the consumers and the feedback (headsets being a good example). They know they have the disadvantage going in next gen with the $100 price difference (even though it includes a piece of hardware most people have already written off before it's even released), but at least it seems they are trying.

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

I love that the biggest complaint about the Kinect take home beta, the thing that asks you to be the most active, was "I don't want to get up off my couch to change discs".

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

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From Adam Sessler's interview with Albert Penello:

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

No I understand that. I don't understand why he thinks Sony should be under a microscope when there hasn't been any rumors of production delays or hardware issues. There's no reason for their box to be scrutinized as heavily.

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Kinect 3.0

Xbox... put the damn Forza 8 game in

Xbox.... go get me a beer bitch!

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

He's just saying Sony should have to deal with the bullshit they deal with. Gamer rage should attack both companies equally.

That being said, Sony did get a bunch of bullshit when they didn't show the actual console.

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

:lol:

Better experience than Steam? Good luck with that MS.

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Probably because the rumors were bull shit, and even then, the criticism started all the way back during E3 when games ran off PC systems where as Sony has generally gotten a pass. Don't get me wrong, it's for good reason given the shitty 360 reliability and the shitty presentation of everyone else Microsoft has done, but it I think it's obvious why he's playing the "no fair" card.

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Isn't it obvious by now? Sony can do no wrong. Competition is in production and games have been running on real hardware. Doesn't matter, PS4 wins. Competition has been openly discussing pretty much everything and taking feedback to make changes. Doesn't matter, PS4 wins ;)

Really really really hoping family sharing comes back soon!!!

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

The rumors about production issues were from Neogaf and sites like that, zero or little credibility. I think not even Kotaku posted about them.
As I have mentioned before, yield numbers: you have to know how to read them.

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

I think it's a valid observation and he does come off a little too butthurt about it, but he makes an interesting point that "his" demos are running on production hardware whereas Sony's demos (thus far) are not. The 360 had major issues, so MS decided to be more transparent about the X1's internal design. Sony seems to have gone in the opposite direction, which has benefited them thus far.

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Same here. Never played or purchased FIFA. Never did any of the EA Sports card games. One day FIFA is on my played games list with achievements and everything.

Oh, and all my Microsoft points were gone.

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

To be honest I think if you put Penello out in front of people showing his passion for the system instead of some of the other talking heads MS has strolled out in front of cameras, You end up with a better response for the console. His explanation of waht they are doing with the technology shows how bad a job Microsoft's PR people are doing. He even references the fact that the closed door viewings of Kinect could have been seen online months earlier. How do you not get the press that information sooner and push it the forefront?

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

Not what he said. He said THEY want to deliver a better experience, COMPARABLE to Steam and iOS.

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

I've gone with instinct over my heart today and switched my pre-order from PS4 to XBox One. I don't consider myself a 'fanboy' of either brand at all, but if I've got any brand loyalty, it leans toward the Playstation brand. However, after the initial wave of (well deserved) terrible press for XBox One, they've been doing everything right and, at least in the first year of the life of the consoles, I think it has the better exclusives. That's not to say that I don't plan on picking up a PS4 sometime in the near future (especially if they nail the VR headset thing), but I've decided to go XBox One for launch.

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

As I've said all along, it'll never happen. One game that 10 random people can all share? 1 sale instead of 10? Never ever gonna happen.

I think they haven't been explaining how it was going to work because they don't want to admit how restricted it was going to be.

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd
 

You could also take away from that that the Kinect wasn't very impressive, if the number one point of feedback was that digital games on the hard drive were more convenient. It's not like games being released digitally and playable off the hard drive was/is something brand new.

Re: Xbox One: Thoughts Turn Ironic on November 22nd