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I know the other question about the GPU was already answered by another, but I also wanted to mention that GDDR5 isn't only good for graphics, it's advantage is that the bandwidth is insane, the disadvantage over DDR3 is that latency is higher, but the positives far outweigh the negatives.

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None of the consoles use either Direct X or OpenGL so that doesn't really matter. They never have either. Microsoft's API is similar to DX, but it's not exactly the same. Nintendo uses something similar to OGL, but again, not the same. It's pretty much a moot point though since most 3rd party developers use a middleware package of some sort to help with that stuff, and the first party developers generally write code much closer to the metal, which allows them to squeeze more performance out of the system.

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Actually Sony writes their own OS as well, but it's built on Unix. They actually have a very talented group of engineers over there. Writing a console OS is cake for them.

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I know this. I blame the performance issues with OpenGL on the developers.

On any Valve game, I can barely get an average of 30 FPS on the Mac OS with the game set to 2560 x 1440 on max settings. On Windows, I average more than 120 FPS on 2560 x 1440 with max settings.

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Well, we can maybe also blame Apple for this. The way the driver architecture works on MacOS is that there is a OpenGL device independent driver that Apple provides, and then graphics card manufacturer provides the backend. Also, Apple is always notoriously behind the curve when it comes to OpenGL, they are currently on 3.2, and the OpenGL spec is at 4.4, so yeah, pretty pathetic.

I think the performance on something like Left 4 Dead 2 on Linux should be pretty damn good at this point, at least close to Windows performance, but actually at least on AMD hardware (probably the same is true for Nvidia), I believe they are faster on Linux at this point. Although this not be true with whatever the current "official" drivers are that they have released, it will be soon.

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The last time I ran a test, 10.7.3 has support for specific features of OpenGL 3.3.

When I'm home, I'll run the test under 10.8.4 to see what that pulls.

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You sure about that?
https://developer.apple.com/graphics.../capabilities/

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From a post I made here after the release of 10.7 when running graphic card driver tests, specifically...

Now that I'm home, I'll run the graphic card tests now.

EDIT: Core features
v3.0 (100 % - 23/23)

v3.1 (100 % - 8/8)

v3.2 (100 % - 10/10)

v3.3 (50 % - 5/10)

v4.0 (0 % - 0/14)

v4.1 (14 % - 1/7)

v4.2 (0 % - 0/12)

v4.3 (0 % - 0/18)

I don't know what the specific features are they're using in 3.3 and 4.1, but they exist in 10.8.4.

EDIT 2: According to beta testers of 10.9, the next operating system will bring support of OpenGL up to 4.1. Too bad Valve has already cut off all support for Mac!

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Ouch, I didn't know that about Valve, what pissed them off so badly?

It's nice to see at least them make it to 4.1 soon, but as it is, that's already 3 years old.

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Damn it just got


up in here.

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To summarize the last couple of pages:

- Digital Foundry says PS4 "only" (their word) has 4.5GB of RAM available for developers! Xbone has an advantage!



- The console war isn't so much a war anymore, but simply a preference. Sony wanted to be seen as having the superior system. Looks to me this strategy has just about run its course. The whole argument about the PS4 being more "powerful" is finally ending!



- Direct X and Windows is another huge advantage over OpenGL, because Mac!



- And I learned that this train wreck:



- Is funnier than this train wreck:

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Yeah, it's much more fun just reading the fanboys spew out constant misinformation and ignorance. -rolleyes-

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I really don't think Corvin meant to direct that at you or any of the things you've clarified (which has been helpful). He's a pretty evenhanded dude and was, I suspect, just looking to inject some humor and point out just how far down the rabbit hole we've gone.

Also, I watched the video twice, because, Weird Al.

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:up:

Just looking to add some humor to the very dry spec comparisons.

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Today's Richard Leadbetter article at Digital Foundry:

Can Xbox One multi-platform games compete with PlayStation 4?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...mpete-with-ps4

So, is he basically just trolling for clicks now?

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I was under impression that the similarity to Direct X still makes programming for the Xbox One more familiar to those used to it. I don't think the advantage is entirely negated, but I could be wrong.

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Huh? Why do you think he's trolling from that article? I don't see any issue with the article and it's conclusions. It's not the first time i've seen a tech guy question if the embedded memory in the One would help offset raw performance differences in spec.

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While it's fan-fucking-tastic Mac OS 10.9 will finally support OpenGL 4.1 and OpenCL 1.2, not all graphics cards will support it. For example, the last and current generation of Intel HD Graphics only support up to OpenGL 4.0. While my graphics card has full support for 4.1, to be fair, it's too little too late.

The Valve games on the Mac OS are shells of their former self. Low FPS, glitches galore, etc. It never used to be like that either as Valve came full swinging when Steam launched on the Mac and I had no problems running TF2 at 60 FPS. Word on the street is that Dota 2 is nearly unplayable on the Mac. It's a shame too. Maybe now that Mac will support OpenGL 4.1, they'll take all that Linux coding and port it to the Mac. I doubt it, but I still have my Windows partition specifically just for Steam.

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It's pretty simple, yes, the PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One. Period. You can talk about possible (technical) scenarios but the raw numbers are clear.

Now, are the games going to look better? Yes, no and maybe. In one of the previous generations it was the same, Sony had the more powerful console, but it was hard to program, so games tended to "look" better in the Microsoft console.

Of course now both will have similar architectures, and some developers are saying that the PS4 is easier to program.

One thing for sure, first party PS4 games will look really great.

And at the end, PS4 fans may end up like PC gamers. PC gamers always complain that since the consoles popularity grew, developers are programming for the inferior systems, and they aren't getting the most of all the PC power. Yeah, you can always get the highest resolution, the high-res textures, etc. but there are a lot more things you can do in a PC that are limited by the consoles.

But yeah, let's just wait until the games are released so we can say that Ryse looks so much better than Killzone. ;)

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It isn't entirely negative about Xbox One.

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I meant that he was trolling one way and then the other. It wasn't about bias, but rather about sloppy journalism and general cynicism about how the internet works and how the wrong stuff gets attention.

But whatever, here's an amusing video:

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Congratulations, WELCOME TO THE INTERNET!

The internet vocal majority gets everything wrong most of the time. It doesn't matter what the topic is. May I point out the Reddit Boston Marathon Manhunt Debacle where everyone decided they were a modern day Encyclopedia Brown and managed not to get anything correct?

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Good enough for me.

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Where you can't make an observation about the Internet without somebody saying, "Congratulations, WELCOME TO THE INTERNET!"

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Yes, easier to program in comparison to the PS3 - not in comparison to DirectX.