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The next time somebody says that Microsoft was "trying to save the industry", I'm going to set a child on fire. ;)
Jim Sterling had a great editorial today that I thought was brilliant rebuttal to that nonsense.
Originally Posted by Jim Sterling
...Bleszinski is joined by Gizmodo in his portents of despair and misery. Claiming that "we" all made the Xbox One worse as a result of our complaints, writer Kyle Wagner used no evidence to claim Microsoft's DRM would definitely have been great for everybody, and would lead to a world of cheaper games. Because the game industry has demonstrated many times that, when it has a monopoly, consumers benefit. Except, y'know, not.
It takes a lot of naivety to trust so willingly in Microsoft, a company that's done absolutely nothing to earn our trust. It takes even more to believe that an industry so dependent on heavy-handed consumer control deserves to survive. Frankly, any industry that suffers due to the reversal of ONE console's DRM policies is an industry that deserves to suffer. And if that's what consoles need, if they so require magic and wishes to avoid drowning in their own mess, then what good are they? Why should they survive? My God, do these companies love the fuck out of capitalism, but it seems that when capitalism comes to collect, when the flip-side of the system's benefits come to bite them on the ass, they try their best to run away from it. Even if the very worst of dooms befalls the so-called "AAA" console industry, I'm not worried. If this past E3 of buzz words and brown games taught me anything, it's that old companies and shriveled executives need to be cut down to make way for new blood. We need a new generation of game producers, not game consoles, and when the big trees fall, the smaller ones can finally get some sunlight. Good games will always be around, they just won't need the Old Guard to tell them what to do, to buy them up and spit them out. The death of a convoluted and broken market doesn't sound like a bad thing to me. Not if, according to some, the only way for them to survive is to directly fuck with their own audience. What is it people like Cliff Bleszinski always say to gamers? Oh right, it's a business! Yeah, it's a business alright. You know what businesses are very good at doing? Failing. And if companies fail because they needed a console that inconvenienced consumers and imposed restrictions on other markets, well ... that's business for you. Prove you deserve to survive. It's a business ... and that means you're not fucking entitled to your existence. |
re: Xbox One: We said WHAT at E3??
Originally Posted by discostu1337
(Post 11738283)
Killzone on PS4 is already over 100g...
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Originally Posted by House
(Post 11738414)
I guess I am the only one that likes kinnect.
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Just to reconfirm what we already know about the "Family plan": http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=598291
that guy, cboat, is an industry insider who has proven time and again to be an accurate source of gaming leaks Pretty incredible how deceptive MS has been about this whole thing. Family plan was the last minute move to soften the PR blow of drm |
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From that thread:
CBOAT may be some sort of industry insider or whatever but I am definitely NOT going to drink the Kool-Aid that "60sigh--" is a fucking confirmation or correction of anything. Literally... that's all "CBOAT" typed. 60sigh. What a confirmation! |
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Everyone claims that this CBOAT guy is always right, but his nonsensical pre-E3 predictions were pure horseshit. Plus, anonymous guy on Internet, so yeah.
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Not to mention... he didn't fucking say anything. 60sigh is not a confirmation of fuck all. He didn't elaborate. He didn't quote what he was replying to. He literally typed 8 characters (there was a -- in there, sorry). So THIS is what the conversation has come to?
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Originally Posted by SomethingMore
(Post 11738591)
From that thread:
CBOAT may be some sort of industry insider or whatever but I am definitely NOT going to drink the Kool-Aid that "60sigh--" is a fucking confirmation or correction of anything. Literally... that's all "CBOAT" typed. 60sigh. What a confirmation! |
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CBOAT's E3 predictions (converted to English)
- MS's paying devs to not mention the PS4 version of games. If they don't mention exclusivity for Xbone, assume it's on PS4 - Stage 2 of DRM talk to be at Gamescom, no rental strategy (that's a lie), stage 1 was Thursday, and a clusterfuck - Cloud processing is just for DRM. MS approached third parties, EA/Ubi really behind it, Activision not so much (and he doesn't get why) - DRM is going to be much worse than it is now, but no one's saying how - Mirror's Edge 2, remake Prince of Persia, Word of Tanks (exclusive) to be at MS Conference - Paywall for XBL confirmed, even for F2P - Dead Rising 3 to be at MS conference + one other Capcom game, both get exclusive Xbone DLC - No online paywall for Sony - Sony isn't talking DRM, hasn't leaked |
re: Xbox One: We said WHAT at E3??
Originally Posted by chess
(Post 11738507)
You can read the whole thing here: http://www.destructoid.com/an-indust...y-256643.phtml
Originally Posted by atrium
(Post 11738584)
Just to reconfirm what we already know about the "Family plan": http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=598291
that guy, cboat, is an industry insider who has proven time and again to be an accurate source of gaming leaks Pretty incredible how deceptive MS has been about this whole thing. Family plan was the last minute move to soften the PR blow of drm Too rich. |
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Originally Posted by chuckd21
(Post 11738592)
Everyone claims that this CBOAT guy is always right, but his nonsensical pre-E3 predictions were pure horseshit. Plus, anonymous guy on Internet, so yeah.
Originally Posted by SomethingMore
(Post 11738596)
Not to mention... he didn't fucking say anything. 60sigh is not a confirmation of fuck all. He didn't elaborate. He didn't quote what he was replying to. He literally typed 8 characters (there was a -- in there, sorry). So THIS is what the conversation has come to?
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Originally Posted by Anubis2005X
(Post 11738516)
Riiiiiiiiiight. :lol: Link?
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Originally Posted by atrium
(Post 11738606)
Whether you guys trust him as a source or not , are you saying you don't believe this is the story on the Plan? If not, what do you think it was?
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This post from GAF pretty much perfectly sums up how I think it all went down:
Microsoft had 2 choices, piss off everyone even more when the Family Sharing Plan that sounded so good on paper, was revealed to only be a 15 to 60 minute demo, or just scrap everything altogether. They knew they couldn't reveal the Family Sharing as it was really constructed, especially since most of the information they gave never alluded to, hinted at, or mentioned a one hour limit on family shared games. The Family Sharing plan was presented as an alternative to their DRM schemes. It was supposed to make you think "Wow, this DRM really sucks, but family sharing more than makes up for it, what a great feature!" Except, the Family Sharing wasn't a great feature, it was actually a pretty shitty feature. I have to give Microsoft Credit, they are doing things that NOBODY predicted they would do. They are scraping their whole DRM and Used Game schemes they had built straight into their system, and replacing it with a page out of Sony's playbook, to simply implement nothing. I still look at all the man hours, all the time, all the engineer work and coding to set up their "Family Sharing" plan, to set up the network and infrastructure to allow partner stores to trade in used Xbone Games, the system that was set up to detect whether you owned a game or not, the software that was built to allow you to give a game to a friend of 30 days. This is all some pretty complicated shit, that took hundreds of thousands of hours to create and probably millions of dollars to build. Now, here is Microsoft Today, standing on a pile of rubble that once was their future of Console Gaming, the future of DRM and Used Games. I have to think the damage is already done. Next, they will scrap Kinect from the box, lower the price to $399, and all the other thousands of hours built into the TV Interface side and "Xbox Go Home" will be tossed out the window as well. Just watch!!! |
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I leave for a few hours and this becomes the Xbox One-Eighty Thread of Burning Children.
Where did anyone get the idea that Killzone was going to come on a triple layer blu-ray? Or did they upgrade CG clips in the game to 4K? |
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Originally Posted by Draven
(Post 11738611)
Yeah, I call horsehit on that too. I got nothing with a Google search for "Killzone 100gb"
Uncharted 3, right now on Playstation Plus, is 40 gigs. L.A. Norie: The Complete Edition was what, 4 DVDs on the 360? The release version itself was 3? I don't think we'll see games that exceed 50 gigs, as I don't think anybody wants to ship a multi-disc game at this point. You may even see companies hold back content in order to keep files sizes down. What do they care? They can just release it as DLC later anyway. It's funny, instead of fighting for shelf space, you may see these companies fighting for Hard Drive space. |
re: Xbox One: We said WHAT at E3??
Originally Posted by chuckd21
(Post 11737678)
Amazon has changed the "release date" of the system from Saturday November 30th to Friday November 29th. Not sure if that means anything yet.
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Originally Posted by TheKing
(Post 11738636)
I agree that 100 is a bit much, but it's not as outrageous as it seems.
Uncharted 3, right now on Playstation Plus, is 40 gigs. L.A. Norie: The Complete Edition was what, 4 DVDs on the 360? The release version itself was 3? I don't think we'll see games that exceed 50 gigs, as I don't think anybody wants to ship a multi-disc game at this point. You may even see companies hold back content in order to keep files sizes down. What do they care? They can just release it as DLC later anyway. It's funny, instead of fighting for shelf space, you may see these companies fighting for Hard Drive space. |
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Originally Posted by atrium
(Post 11738616)
MS made the mistake of touting the Family Plan to make up some lost ground for the DRM, while failing to mention it was only good for 1 hour, and before they knew it they were caught up in a web of misinformation and cover-ups to prevent the real Plan from getting out. To reveal how handicapped this feature was after giving Xbone purchasers a glimmer of hope would've totally destroyed any remaining credibility they had. They really had two options; ride out the storm and hope the exclusives sell their console, or scrap everything and take the back to basics approach.
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
(Post 11738646)
One thing is for sure, this is gonna make one helluva chapter in a future "history of video games" book.
They were probably shellshocked when Sony came onstage and revealed their plans |
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I still think it has to do with low pre-order numbers.
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Originally Posted by RichC2
(Post 11738652)
I still think it has to do with low pre-order numbers.
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Originally Posted by Anubis2005X
(Post 11738516)
Riiiiiiiiiight. :lol: Link?
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Originally Posted by RichC2
(Post 11738643)
I'm sure the PS4 supports BDXL (up to 128gb), Sony is trying to push 4K movies now and the "movie service" version of that requires up to 100gb per movie.
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Originally Posted by TheKing
(Post 11738636)
It's funny, instead of fighting for shelf space, you may see these companies fighting for Hard Drive space.
No. First-party titles on the PS3 took up a lot of space as they were the ones who really could take advantage of everything the console had to offer. Developers who were making games across multiple platforms did not (as they were usually built for the 360 first and then ported to PS3 and PC). Most games on the 360 usually only used 5-6GB of space on the disc. An example that I used in the past: Battlefield 3 (which is actually spread across two discs on the 360). The game plus all DLC on the 360 and PC takes up over 20GB of space whereas on the PS3 it actually takes up lot less. If I downloaded the game of the PSN network right now, you're only looking at a 12GB download. If I were to install the discs on my 360, I'm already at 15GB. Halo 4, which is probably one of the best looking titles on the 360, only requires 13GB once the DLC is accounted for. Microsoft kept all of the multiplayer material on a second disc the user had to install at the time of acquiring the game. A much smarter strategy than EA which required the user to put in separate discs for Battlefield 3 depending on which game mode they wanted to play. With Microsoft and Sony both moving to x86 architecture, most games will be similar to that of the file size on a PC. On the PC, most games average under 15GB. |
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