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I don't know if selling will be an option, but the dev team has said that shared content is editable...apparently universally editable (as in, I don't think you can share content and prevent someone from modifying it, although it does keep track of credits). They've touted the cross-platform side of it too, making me suspicious that there'll be user-generated commercial titles developed this way. Still super-cool even if you can't repackage it.

ETA -- Yeah:

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They had a live event just for the XO and didn't announce a release date?

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i meant "personality" like someone who wears a jacket like he did in that video today.

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Again, I bet their original release date was the 8th or the 15th. I originally mentioned one of those dates earlier in this thread as it would give them time to sell out on launch date, but also to have more available in time for Black Friday. They can't take the 15th now due to obvious reasons, but they could get it out earlier...

EDIT: I do think they should've announced the date today. The 360's release date was done during Gamescom back in 2005. Unless they plan on having one final event prior to November...

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Well there's PAX (no chance) and TGS (absolutely no chance) before November, so they'll have to do they're own event of some kind again.

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They'll be at the GameStop Expo next week with the console (same with Sony and the PS4).

They could release a date via Xbox Wire, but, well, that's anti-climatic.

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Oh right, forgot about the Gamestop Expo.

Let's go back to before Sony's announcement.

Most people from both sides expected the PS4 to be released in October. And the XO in November along COD.

So now because the PS4 is going to be released later, some expect the XO to release after them?

I think Microsoft also expected Sony to release its console in October, since Microsoft mentioned November, and now it's a running joke that Sony is trying up everything Microsoft announces. So they may be trying something with this change.

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I'm honestly expecting walking into it next Wednesday and just expecting a room with a few TVs and consoles set up.

I heard last year's sucked, but since it's in Vegas this year, I had to buy a pass.

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Wait, it's a one day Expo? On a Wednesday?

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yeah, it's a one day only thing. probably because Gamestop is too cheap to spend money for the convention center over the weekend. :lol:

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The worst thing MS could do is announce a release date, and then have to delay it. If they're having production issues, and the fact they delayed launch in most countries could be a sign of that, the simple truth is that MS may not know yet how many units they'll have in early November versus late November.

My guess is that the 27th is their last resort date. Meaning if production is still lagging in a few weeks then they'll announce the 27th. But if they can get production higher, they'll announce the 22nd or even the 8th.

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I did a quick search while at work to see if they announced anything and some site, stated a developer said 11/21 :shrug: big ol' grain of salt there. :)

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From Phil Spencer's interview with The Guardian, regarding all that DRM:

You may disagree on how much of the Xbox One proposition has changed since Don Mattrick issued that statement and reversed some of the digital concepts …

Which concepts did he reverse?

Well, the idea of daily online authentication, the control and restriction of pre-owned game sales …

Okay, so those two specifically.

Yes. And the idea of being able to share digital games …

We didn't reverse that.

But they're in the background now. I wonder how much of that proposition, which was very Steam-like, will come back?

We're committed to the digital ecosystem that we talked about at the beginning of Xbox One. Absolutely. That's why I wanted to be clear on what you were referring to with the word 'reversal'. Other people have tried to twist this a little bit, but it's important that we remain in a two-way dialogue with gamers and potential customers about what they would like to see. Consoles today are as much a service as they are an individual purchase – our commitment through Xbox Live and updating the software and keeping the games coming is a long-term service commitment. The service gets better through direct feedback with the people who are using it.

What we heard from gamers is that they enjoyed the physical DRM they had with the 360 ecosystem and they wanted to add that to Xbox One. So we added physical DRM to the digital DRM plan that we had. When we did that, maths takes over and some things had to move out. But the core of that digital ecosystem is absolutely something that we believe in, and we haven't reversed it. You'll be able to buy games as physical and digital goods, you'll be able to share games with everybody in your house, and other features that we talked about will definitely be coming down the line.

Do you see a future that is purely digital?

Well I'm a big Steam fan; you talk about your phone, your tablet, those are all digital ecosystems – it's not like, as consumers, digital ecosystems are foreign to us. But we heard from consumers that they wanted us to also support a physical system as well. So our plan was to continue to grab a lot of the advantages of a digital system while adding in physical. Now, there are some differences that you need to understand: in a digital world, we know which games are yours – as you purchase them online, the license is associated with your account and that gives us unique capabilities in terms of what we can do with that content. When the DRM is on the disc, we don't know that you own that disc and so the capabilities are different. If you're a digital customer and you're comfortable with that, you should invest in being a digital customer on Xbox One, because those advantages will be coming, some at launch and some later. But we're giving you a choice. It's like movies: I happen to be more of a digital customer, through Netflix and pay-per-view, but you can still go and buy Blu-rays and DVDs.

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Feel free to tear his words apart, but I think there's some good stuff in there. The portion I underlined is the message they should have given at E3, but :shrug: it's still all just promises and therefore could be complete BS.

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I think it was a mistake for Microsoft to not announce at Gamescom, but I don't think it's too big of a deal to do it at a trade show or event. The Gamestop thing makes sense though.

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Sounds like they're a bit over-sensitive at Microsoft HQ. Still, after the defensiveness, he's saying some good things.

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Is it possible for someone who is actually employed by a company to be a "shill"? It's a job.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I never expected a new console to be released in October.

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I always thought it would be November but I hope I don't have Ghosts sitting around too long without a system

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Yeah, but he's, like, doing his job way more than before, or something.

I thought that maybe Sony would be able to manage a late October launch in the US or Japan only, but never expected MS to be able to do it after announcing November specifically.

As for the X1, if we're throwing guesses out there, I'm going to go with Nov 22nd. I would love for it to be sooner, but I think their bean counters are telling them to go that route to maximize CoD:Ghosts sales on 360. Just my own hunch, that's all.

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Re: Spencer
People enjoyed the 360 DRM? rotfl Is he taking a shot at gamers that made them change course?

Xbox console is a service? Of course it is when everything is behind the paywall.

Still putting their foots in their mouths, IMO. Digital stuff still coming is promising though.

Back when he started he had no qualms discussing bad games and even negative aspects of the 360 and welcomed people to comment as such. He was honest. Ever since he became the mouthpiece of the company everything is cupcakes and roses.

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Microsoft only gets a small percentage of sales. Activision has already come out and stated they expect less sales based upon the next-generation as gamers aren't sure which route to take. As of now, no edition of Ghosts is on Amazon's 2013 Best Sellers in Video Games. However, based upon hourly sales and what time you check, next-generation copies are selling more than current-generation. My friends and I are all waiting for the next-generation before we purchase Battlefield 4 and COD:G (which I've already pre-ordered the Hardened Edition for XO).

Yes; link here.

In their defense, Hall A & B take up over 367,000 square feet which is bigger than their single largest hall. How much they'll actually utilize is up in the air.

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Interesting. I didn't jump on the 360 train until over 3 years into this generation, so I guess I missed that part.

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His podcast, Major Nelson Radio, used to be a fantastic source of information, news, and interviews. It steadily got worse until the only redeeming feature was Stepto (Stephen Toulouse). Once he left, it officially became an unlistenable masturbation session.

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Yeah, the current Hourly chart has:

Ghosts - PS4 - #24
Ghosts - Xbox 360 - #49
Ghosts - Xbox One - #65
Ghosts - Playstation 3 - #118
Ghosts - Wii U - #3,874

Ghosts - Hardened - PS4 - #63
Ghosts - Hardened - Xbox One - #59

Ghosts - Prestige - PS4 - #225
Ghosts - Prestige - Xbox One - #973

The Xbox One Hardened edition is selling better than the Standard, otherwise it seems like Next-gen is winning, slightly.

Battlefield 4 - Playstation 4 - #50
Battlefield 4 - Xbox One - #99
Battlefield 4 - Xbox 360 - #154
Battlefield 4 - Playstation 3 - #350

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Live stream of Killer Instinct gameplay: http://www.twitch.tv/microsoftstudios