I've been an XBOX Live member for over 10 years. I've been a PS+ member for just over a year or so. I enjoy the hell out of the "free" games I get with PS+ but overall I am far more satified with the features the XBOX provides. PS+ is a glorified rental service but if if they didn't provide the free games they do I would of just played them anyway eventually thanks to GameFly, the superior rental service.

XBOX Live reminds me more of a cell phone provider like Verizon. People bitch and moan about the cost but if you want to be connected to family, friends or just connected virtually you have to pay. Both services have their ups and downs but if want to get the most out of the console you spent hundreds on then you might be asked to spend a bit month to month to get the most out of that system. It's not the end of the damn world and shouldn't be what makes or breaks a system. You want to bust the balls of a console maker then focus on manufacturing issues that caused the RROD or security issues that the PS3 faced.

Why is the online service on the WiiU free still? Because it's utterly fucking useless at this point. All the demos I wanted came out right out of the gate and as much as I want to defend the system at times Nintendo greenlit an online service without obviously knowing what the fuck to do with it.

I think both the systems have faced "security issues" over the past few years. Anyways, looking forward to seeing what is brought to the table this evening.

more streaming options, including from ps3: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/...-eastern-time/

For the lazy ones:

Yes!!! A Home option!

Oooh, excellent point. That could be interesting.

My problem with it was that of all the free games they offered while I was a member, 99% of them I wouldn't have bought anyway. It was like finding a deal on a game you never wanted but bought anyway because it was $5. Then it sits on the unplayed pile.

Cross party chat, invites, messages, and the like are clear winners in MS's corner. The integration and ease of use is just seamless. That Live fee does go towards their online police force and system updates (for better or worse).

The biggest problems with the service are ads (why do I get ads on a premium service?), and requiring Gold for services like Netflix. That's beyond absurd.

As long as subs can be found for $35, it's a non-issue for most of us. $3 a month won't break the bank.

The internet browser and being able to look up stuff with it mid-game makes it very useful. A feature that Microsoft would would make you pay to use.

The biggest problem with Live are the services that you need to be a Gold member to use. I really need to be a Gold member to use the Youtube application? It's laughable.

I think Sony is in a great position right now and will probably have an easy time stealing over some of the Xbox customers.

My problem with Live is, at any given time one of my friends (or myself) will not have it, sub ran out, etc. So online game sessions with friends are hit or miss.

With PSN everyone can play, at any time.

I've read rumors of Streaming games from online service -> ps4, and also streaming ps4 games -> Vita. The ps4 -> Vita streaming would be pretty awesome. I just wonder how they'd solve the 1 fewer trigger (per side) problem.

Are those services free? I was responding to Gizmo's claim that PS+ forces you to pay for services that would normally be free.

They can use the rear touchpad for that.

That sounds like a game I want to play.

rear touchpad for L2, and hold up to the light for R2.

What if you're playing in the dark?!

Battlefield 4 gonna be shown tonight?

Source?

Gamestop tweeted about it too.

http://kotaku.com/5985513/well-someb...ld-4-yesterday

Pete Hines (VP of Bethesda) tweeted this a few hours ago

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I'm surprised concrete news hasn't leaked about the event tonight. The ability to keep this a secret is pretty impressive.

Fan made - http://www.gamesthirst.com/wp-conten...7/bf3kyle7.jpg

However, given the Gamestop tweet, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some alpha footage shown (game doesn't come out until early 2014).

So there's no EA version of Call of Duty this fall?

I assume that's a patent for skipping ads?

Looks more like hypnosis to me.

I hope everyone has a box of tissues beside them.