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Old 08-20-13 | 10:00 PM
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Pretty damn good for the top of your head...guess I'd add White Knight Chronicles and maybe MAG. Edit: The dragon game was Lair.

Also, I would bet that the average Metacritic on those new IPs is just under 85. A bunch of 90s in there at any rate.
I think he missed one of the biggest series, God of War.
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Old 08-20-13 | 10:06 PM
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their advantages with their online network and controller have been matched, exceeded or rendered meaningless
Source regarding the functionality of Sony's revamped online network?

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I think I actually prefer the DS4 just for the possibilities with the touchpad and speaker.
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Old 08-20-13 | 10:08 PM
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re: PS4: Games you don't want, but it's $100 less! (11/15)

Originally Posted by PerryD
I think he missed one of the biggest series, God of War.
No he didn't. That was a IP started on the PS2.
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Old 08-20-13 | 10:11 PM
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re: PS4: Games you don't want, but it's $100 less! (11/15)

Lair sucked a fat one. And PS4 adopters are far better off during the launch of this console than the beginning of the PS3's life. I waited a few months to get my first PS3 and was stuck playing Def Jam Icon (traded quickly) and whatever other crap I could scrape together. If we see 33 titles released by the end of December then I will be happy despite only being able to afford maybe 3 of them.
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Old 08-20-13 | 10:16 PM
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re: PS4: Games you don't want, but it's $100 less! (11/15)

Originally Posted by fumanstan
Right, I don't really like the timed exclusive thing either that's clearly just from throwing money at studios. Although it does make things a bit more interesting given the similarity of the two platforms, making third party games stand out less between the two companies.

I mean what did game companies do before, just pick and choose which they liked developing on more? These days it seems like the money factor is more in our faces.
In the days of the NES, Nintendo required exclusivity. In order to get the game certified by Nintendo, it had to be made only for the NES. This is why the Sega Master System failed...well that and it just wasn't very good.

Publishers fought back when the Genesis came out, and Nintendo had to back down in its stance for the SNES.
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Old 08-20-13 | 10:31 PM
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Oh, I think we'll find something to play.

First party studios underlined...not much...much more to come.

Confirmed/Targeting 2013:

Assassin's Creed 4: Black Flag (Ubisoft) Launch
Battlefield 4 (EA DICE) Launch
Blacklight: Retribution (Zombie Studios) Launch
Call of Duty: Ghosts (Infinity Ward) Launch
DC Universe Online (Sony Online Entertainment) Launch
DriveClub (Evolution Studios) Launch
FIFA 14 (EA) Launch
Just Dance 2014 (Ubisoft) Launch
Killzone: Shadow Fall (Guerrilla Games) Launch
Knack (Studios Japan) Launch
LEGO: Marvel Super Heroes (TT Games) Launch
Madden 25 (EA) Launch
Minecraft (Mojang) Launch
NBA 2K14 (Sega) Launch
NBA Live 14 (EA) Launch
Oddworld: New n' Tasty (Just Add Water) Fall 2013
Outlast (Red Barrels) Launch
Need for Speed Rivals (EA) Launch
PlanetSide 2 (Sony Online Entertainment) Targeting 2013
Skylanders Swap Force (Vicarious Visions) Launch
Warframe (Digital Extremes) Targeting Launch
War Thunder (Gaijin Entertainment) Launch
Watch Dogs (UbiSoft Montreal) Launch

Other announced games (most 2014, some may be 2013)

Contrast (Compulsion Games) TBA
The Crew (Ubisoft Reflections) TBA
The Dark Sorceror (real game?)
Daylight (Zombie Studios) TBA
Deep Down (Capcom) TBA
Destiny (Bungie) TBA
Diablo III (Blizzard) TBA
The Division (Massive) TBA
Dont Starve (Klei Entertainment) TBA
Dragon Age Inquisition (BioWare) Fall 2014
Dying Light (Techland) TBA
EA Sports UFC (EA) TBA
Elder Scrolls Online (Bethesda) TBA
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture (The Chinese Room) TBA
Final Fantasy XIV (Square Enix) TBA
Final Fantasy XV (Square Enix) TBA
Galak-Z (17-Bit Games) TBA
Helldivers (Arrowhead) TBA
Infamous: Second Son (Sucker Punch) Q1 2014
Kingdom Hearts III (Square Enix) TBA
Mad Max (Warner Bros.) TBA
Mercenary Kings (Tribute Games) TBA
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (Kojima Productions) TBA
Mirror's Edge 2 (DICE) TBA
Octodad: Deadliest Catch (Young Horses, Inc.) late 13/early 14
The Order 1866 (Ready At Dawn) TBA
Primal Carnage: Genesis (Lukewarm Media) TBA
Ray's The Dead (Rag Tag Studios) TBA
Rime (Tequila Works) TBA
Secret Ponchos (Switchblade Monkeys) TBA
Shadow of the Beast (Heavy Spectrum) TBA
Sniper Elite 3 (505 Games) TBA
Star Wars Battlefront (DICE)
The Witness (Thekla, Inc)
Thief (Square-Enix) 2014
Transistor (Supergiant Games) 2014
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt (CD Projekt RED) 2014
Wolfenstein: The New Order (MachineGames) TBA

It's also worth noting that without buying anything (even PS+), you'll have full access to all of the F2P titles (Planetside 2, Warframe, Blacklight, War Thunder and DC Universe Online), and if do you get PS+, you'll have Driveclub and at least one other PSN title (Outlast, Secret Ponchos or Don't Starve).

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Old 08-20-13 | 10:32 PM
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re: PS4: Games you don't want, but it's $100 less! (11/15)

Originally Posted by TheKing
In the days of the NES, Nintendo required exclusivity. In order to get the game certified by Nintendo, it had to be made only for the NES. This is why the Sega Master System failed...well that and it just wasn't very good.

Publishers fought back when the Genesis came out, and Nintendo had to back down in its stance for the SNES.
There were notable exceptions like Double Dragon which was actually superior on SMS.
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Old 08-20-13 | 10:46 PM
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re: PS4: Games you don't want, but it's $100 less! (11/15)

Poor Genji... everyone remembers the infamous crab demo but nobody remembers the game (for good reason).

The other advantage Sony has, which is also evident in that side by side comparison, is the overwhelming lead it has in Japan. Sure MS paid big bucks for something like Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon and the like but by the end of the console's life it was pretty one sided. And while you can say it's mainly a bunch of similar JRPGs and licensed Dynasty Warrior clones, we also got stuff like Demons Souls, Valkyria Chronicles (seriously Sega, where the heck is 3 for the US Vita???), and, well, a bunch of JRPGs.
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Old 08-20-13 | 10:54 PM
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re: PS4: Games you don't want, but it's $100 less! (11/15)

I know most of you have written this on off as kiddie fodder (not that there's anything wrong with that), but the new trailer looks pretty good. Love the music...not sure about the voice though...pictured something more like Clank.

<iframe width="640" height="480" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/aNiG9osRHc4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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Old 08-20-13 | 10:59 PM
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That's pretty much my reaction. The game looks like something I'd really be into, but the voice work, especially Knack himself... This trailer has me certain that I'll get it but maybe not at launch.
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Old 08-20-13 | 11:10 PM
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re: PS4: Games you don't want, but it's $100 less! (11/15)

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Poor Genji... everyone remembers the infamous crab demo but nobody remembers the game (for good reason).

The other advantage Sony has, which is also evident in that side by side comparison, is the overwhelming lead it has in Japan. Sure MS paid big bucks for something like Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon and the like but by the end of the console's life it was pretty one sided. And while you can say it's mainly a bunch of similar JRPGs and licensed Dynasty Warrior clones, we also got stuff like Demons Souls, Valkyria Chronicles (seriously Sega, where the heck is 3 for the US Vita???), and, well, a bunch of JRPGs.
Yeah, Sony crushes Microsoft in that regard. It seems like Microsoft gave it a shot with Mistwalker Studios thinking Japanese gamers would be sold on their games but they weren't, so MS immediately gave up. My friend, who owns both consoles, is leaning towards PS4 because of the Japanese games.
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Old 08-20-13 | 11:19 PM
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and their advantages with their online network and controller have been matched, exceeded or rendered meaningless.

They've also acted like toolbags throughout this launch and have utterly abandoned their current gen console over the past four years (as shown in photo earlier).
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Old 08-20-13 | 11:24 PM
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re: PS4: Games you don't want, but it's $100 less! (11/15)

Alright, Knack is now on the radar.

Did Sony show off any of the party chat in action?
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Old 08-20-13 | 11:25 PM
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I'm still pretty sure that Microsoft is paying Capcom and EA just to keep them from porting their games to the PS4, which is really kind of shitty and certainly doesn't advance gaming in any significant way (besides maybe forcing people to buy an XO they wouldn't otherwise get). Yeah, it's a timed exclusive, but so what? I'd prefer if they made their own games and let outside publishers put their games out on whatever consoles they saw fit.
Capcom and EA don't have to agree to the deal. Big bad Microsoft isn't bullying those tiny companies into signing exclusivity deals.
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Old 08-20-13 | 11:41 PM
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Modnation Racers sold a million copies. All-Stars Battle Royale sold 500k. Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time sold 240k. Heavenly Sword sold 1.5 million. Infamous 2 sold 1.6 million. MLB 13 sold 500k. Ratchet and Clank: All For One sold 1.1 million. Total copies sold for all those studios, all that manpower, etc = 6.5 million.

Halo 4 sold 8.4 million and a ton of DLC.

Yes, variety is the spice of life, and if that's what you're after, you clearly have an option. But to say Microsoft doesn't care and has abandoned the 360/has no interest in making games? Please. They make huge games that bring in a ton of money, and instead of gambling on creating/buying studios for smaller titles, they sign exclusivity deals. Numbers have been crunched. Cost analysis has been performed. They understand what they're doing as far as making games.
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Old 08-20-13 | 11:54 PM
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re: PS4: Games you don't want, but it's $100 less! (11/15)

"Huge" games gobbled up by teenagers year after year are leading the gaming industry down a very narrow path. I loved Mario games growing up and still do but I'm glad that the industry saw more than just cashing in on that franchise. MS is willing to beat their dick in the dirt with more of the same as long as 8 million keep buying it. If it is what makes you happy then game away.
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Old 08-20-13 | 11:58 PM
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If those huge games go away, so does the audience. If COD is canceled as some kind of grand noble gesture, that audience is not going to move over to Little Big Planet. They're going to the garage to huff paint.
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Old 08-21-13 | 12:03 AM
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All the gaming companies are willing to "beat their dick in the dirt with more of the same as long as 8 million keep buying it." No reason to put the onus on MS when Sony, Nintendo, EA, Activision, whomever are all going to do the same.

That's a lot of dicks in the dirt... or something.
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Hell, you've got people in this very thread celebrating Knack and all its wonderful diversity that it brings to the Sony portfolio of games, and in the same breath saying "However, that's not a $60 game. I'll pick it up used."
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Old 08-21-13 | 12:52 AM
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re: PS4: Games you don't want, but it's $100 less! (11/15)

In my opinion, the last 3 iterations of Call of Duty or even Saints Row IV are not 60 dollar games nor did I pay 60 for any of them. Xbox has banked on having the lionshare of the audience for these "huge" games and have lived off them. However, if more people go the route of PS4 then this time you will see an increase in sales of shooters on the PS4 as well as games like Infamous SS selling more copies.
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Old 08-21-13 | 06:12 AM
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Hell, you've got people in this very thread celebrating Knack and all its wonderful diversity that it brings to the Sony portfolio of games, and in the same breath saying "However, that's not a $60 game. I'll pick it up used."
Puppeteer has a $39.99 sticker price. Ratchet and Clank: Into the Nexus is $29.99. Both titles -- both published by Sony too, incidentally -- are coming out shortly before Knack; heck, the R&C game comes out the same month! I love, love, love action/platformers, but there are only so many I can play in a short period of time, I'm more interested in both of those games than I am in Knack (seriously, watch the Puppeteer trailer!), and they show that not every new game has to list for sixty bucks.

Wanting diversity is the reason I'm probably not going to grab Knack on day one. I'm not buying multiple racing games, multiple fighting games, or multiple FPSes in November either. Geez, and the Mario game for the Wii U will probably come out in Nov. too.
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Old 08-21-13 | 07:25 AM
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Wanting diversity is the reason I'm probably not going to grab Knack on day one. I'm not buying multiple racing games, multiple fighting games, or multiple FPSes in November either. Geez, and the Mario game for the Wii U will probably come out in Nov. too.
You want diversity but aren't going to grab Knack?
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I feel like I covered that in my post. I'm interested in Knack, but Sony is releasing two other action/platformers that honestly look better leading up to it (one of which drops within a week or two of the PS4 launch), and it probably comes out the same month as the new Mario game. Buying the budget-priced Puppeteer and the new Ratchet and Clank brand new will run me $70 total; considering that I'm more interested in those anyway, why would I spend $60 for one game that, as good as it looks, doesn't strike me as quite as compelling?

Celebrating diversity, to my mind, isn't buying 3 or 4 similar games in a very short period of time. In no way am I saying "no, never!" to Knack; I just won't be very likely to buy it at launch. I put my money where my mouth is too; I'm only picking up one FPS in November too. This November is shaping up to have me buying more games in one month than I ever have before, so I want to cover as many genres as possible.
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Modnation Racers sold a million copies. All-Stars Battle Royale sold 500k. Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time sold 240k. Heavenly Sword sold 1.5 million. Infamous 2 sold 1.6 million. MLB 13 sold 500k. Ratchet and Clank: All For One sold 1.1 million. Total copies sold for all those studios, all that manpower, etc = 6.5 million.

Halo 4 sold 8.4 million and a ton of DLC.
When you cite sales numbers of a single game as the measure of a strong library right after saying that the X1 has a stronger launch library despite the strong probability that Killzone will sell more copies than DR3, Forza and Ryse combined, I just...


Back at you.

The cognitive dissonance must be overwhelming for a rational gamer. Love that gif though!
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Yes, variety is the spice of life, and if that's what you're after, you clearly have an option.
Whew...was afraid I was going to have to play Halo, Gears, Fable and Forza the rest of my life.

But to say Microsoft doesn't care and has abandoned the 360/has no interest in making games? Please. They make huge games that bring in a ton of money, and instead of gambling on creating/buying studios for smaller titles, they sign exclusivity deals.
In 2012 and 2013 combined, you got Halo 4, Fable Journey, Forza Horizon, Fable Anniversary and from third party Gears Judgement. 360 has absolutely long since been abandoned just as the original Xbox was, and anything in development for it was pushed to X1.
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