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I imagine i never noticed because my wife normally plays drums and i prefer to sing. We both started on medium and then both went up to hard. So even if one of us is feeling lazy and drops down to medium while the other is on hard we probably wouldn't notice.

However, we are intending to switch instruments and she can easily begin singing on hard while i will need to start drumming on easy. This sounds like it would really screw me up learning to drum.

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Originally Posted by xmiyux (Post 8934161)

However, we are intending to switch instruments and she can easily begin singing on hard while i will need to start drumming on easy. This sounds like it would really screw me up learning to drum.

No, it wouldn't make a difference mixing vocals with drums. It only affects drums and guitar mixed. The vocals always move at the pace of the song, period.

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Originally Posted by Kelkee (Post 8934153)

Huh? Unless you are all working off the same fretboard why would they even consider doing this?

I guess you don't get it.:confused:

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Originally Posted by flashburn (Post 8934200)

I guess you don't get it.:confused:

I dont understand why they would average the speed.

What difference does it make to the other player what speed I play at since he is looking at his own fretboard?

My guess is peripheral vision. I imagine it would be distracting for all players to have varying scroll rates so close together.

And if that's not it, it's just a limitation of the rendering engine.

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Originally Posted by Kelkee (Post 8934247)

I dont understand why they would average the speed.

What difference does it make to the other player what speed I play at since he is looking at his own fretboard?

Oh okay, I thought you didn't understand what they were doing, not why they were doing it. No clue, since I'm not a developer at Harmonix. It does seem stupid to me.

Full List is finally out directly from Activision - http://kotaku.com/5049054/the-comple...-tour-set-list

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* 311 - “Beautiful Disaster”
* 30 Seconds To Mars - “The Kill”
* Airbourne - “Too Much Too Young”
* The Allman Brothers Band - “Ramblin' Man”
* Anouk - “Good God”
* The Answer - “Never Too Late”
* At The Drive-In - “One Armed Scissor”
* Beastie Boys - “No Sleep Till Brooklyn”
* Beatsteaks - “Hail to the Freaks”
* Billy Idol - “Rebel Yell”
* Black Label Society - “Stillborn”
* Black Rebel Motorcycle Club - “Weapon of Choice”
* blink-182 - “Dammit”
* Blondie - “One Way or Another”
* Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band - “Hollywood Nights”
* Bon Jovi - “Livin’ On A Prayer”
* Bullet For My Valentine - “Scream Aim Fire”
* Coldplay - “Shiver”
* Creedence Clearwater Revival - “Up Around The Bend”
* The Cult - “Love Removal Machine”
* Dinosaur Jr. - “Feel The Pain”
* The Doors - “Love Me Two Times”
* Dream Theater - “Pull Me Under”
* The Eagles - “Hotel California”
* The Enemy - “Aggro”
* Filter - “Hey Man, Nice Shot”
* Fleetwood Mac - “Go Your Own Way”
* Foo Fighters - “Everlong”
* The Guess Who - “American Woman”
* Hush Puppies - “You're Gonna Say Yeah!”
* Interpol - “Obstacle 1”
* Jane's Addiction - “Mountain Song”
* Jimi Hendrix - “Purple Haze (Live)”
* Jimi Hendrix - “The Wind Cries Mary”
* Jimmy Eat World - “The Middle”
* Joe Satriani - “Satch Boogie”
* Kent - “Vinternoll2”
* Korn - “Freak On A Leash”
* Lacuna Coil - “Our Truth”
* Lenny Kravitz - “Are You Gonna Go My Way”
* Linkin Park - “What I've Done”
* The Living End - “Prisoner of Society”
* Los Lobos - “La Bamba”
* Lost Prophets - “Rooftops (A Liberation Broadcast)”
* Lynyrd Skynyrd - “Sweet Home Alabama (Live)”
* Mars Volta - “L'Via L'Viaquez”
* MC5’s Wayne Kramer - “Kick Out The Jams”
* Metallica - “Trapped Under Ice”
* Michael Jackson - “Beat It”
* Modest Mouse - “Float On”
* Motörhead - “Overkill”
* Muse - “Assassin”
* Negramaro - “Nuvole e Lenzuola”
* Nirvana - “About a Girl (Unplugged)”
* No Doubt - “Spiderwebs”
* NOFX - “Soul Doubt”
* Oasis - “Some Might Say”
* Ozzy Osbourne - “Crazy Train”
* Ozzy Osbourne - “Mr. Crowley”
* Paramore - “Misery Business”
* Pat Benatar - “Heartbreaker”
* R.E.M. - “The One I Love”
* Radio Futura - “Escuela De Calor”
* Rise Against - “Re-Education Through Labor”
* Sex Pistols - “Pretty Vacant”
* Silversun Pickups - “Lazy Eye”
* Smashing Pumpkins - “Today”
* Steely Dan - “Do It Again”
* Steve Miller Band - “The Joker”
* Sting - “Demolition Man (Live)”
* The Stone Roses - “Love Spreads”
* Stuck In The Sound - “Toy Boy”
* Sublime - “Santeria”
* Survivor - “Eye of the Tiger”
* System of a Down - “B.Y.O.B.”
* Ted Nugent - “Stranglehold”
* Ted Nugent’s Original Guitar Duel Recording
* Tokio Hotel - “Monsoon”
* Tool - “Parabola”
* Tool - “Schism”
* Tool - “Vicarious”
* Trust - “Antisocial”
* Van Halen - “Hot For Teacher”
* Willie Nelson - “On The Road Again”
* Wings - “Band on the Run”
* Zakk Wylde’s Original Guitar Duel Recording

Oooohhhh! About a Girl is from Unplugged? VERY NICE!

Other changes from the previous list:
* The Cult - “Love Removal Machine”
* Hush Puppies - “You're Gonna Say Yeah!”
<s>The Police - "Demolition Man"</s>
<s>Smashing Pumpkins - "Bullet with Butterfly Wings"</s>
* Smashing Pumpkins - “Today”
* Sting - “Demolition Man (Live)”
* Stuck In The Sound - “Toy Boy”
* Ted Nugent’s Original Guitar Duel Recording
* Zakk Wylde’s Original Guitar Duel Recording

No brainer purchase day one....BUT.....way too many doubles of Rock Band songs. And, this live trend sucks. Live at Leeds and a few others are the exception, not the norm.

That's pretty underwhelming...and there's way, WAY too many duplicates of Rock Band songs. That's just stupid.

disappointing a lot of songs are dups, but shit - I'm in this for playing Danny Carey's drums alone!

So for the uninitiated anyone care to highlight the duplicates?

Duplicates:

* The Allman Brothers Band - “Ramblin' Man”
* Blondie - “One Way or Another”
* Bon Jovi - “Livin’ On A Prayer”
* Dinosaur Jr. - “Feel The Pain”
* Fleetwood Mac - “Go Your Own Way”
* Foo Fighters - “Everlong”
* The Guess Who - “American Woman”
* Jane's Addiction - “Mountain Song”
* Jimmy Eat World - “The Middle”
* Lacuna Coil - “Our Truth”
* Modest Mouse - “Float On”
* Silversun Pickups - “Lazy Eye”
* Smashing Pumpkins - “Today”
* Survivor - “Eye of the Tiger”

Available as DLC:

* 30 Seconds To Mars - “The Kill”
* No Doubt - “Spiderwebs” (not confirmed, but HIGHLY likely)
* System of a Down - “B.Y.O.B.”
* Tokio Hotel - “Monsoon”

That's incredibly illogical. With the games being so similar in nature, the natural steps GH should be taking is to NOT have duplicates. Instead, nearly 1/4 of the setlist is the same. That's going to turn off a lot of people who otherwise would purchase both games.

In case anyone has "issues" with kotaku here is the official post from Activision.

http://community.guitarhero.com/news_posts/62

I can live with those duplicates. RB has some good songs but this list just blows it away IMO. Best list out of all the GH and RB games.

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Originally Posted by abrg923 (Post 8934852)

I count 84 actual songs on the list (86 - the 2 Duels).

14 on-disc dupes with RB2 is 16.67%

4 as optional DLC with RB is 4.76%

That's a ton.

I actually think it's one of the worst...at least for the three 'band games'.

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Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 8934783)

Oooohhhh! About a Girl is from Unplugged? VERY NICE!

Other changes from the previous list:

<s>Smashing Pumpkins - "Bullet with Butterfly Wings"</s>
* Smashing Pumpkins - “Today”

Well that totally blows. I was excited about BwBW...Now it's been replaced with something already in RB2. :down:

Wow...It's a struggle for me to even find 20 songs from that list that I am excited about. RB2 wins...

I am still going to get this, but it is inexcusable for this many duplicates. Activision screwed themselves.

But this is by far the worst song list of any music game.

Actually its a smart move. Good songs are good songs. You have to put good songs in your game otherwise you will screw yourself putting in songs that are not as popular solely for the sake of non-duplication.

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Originally Posted by Kelkee (Post 8934891)

Actually, it is not. They allowed themselves to lose market share, allowed numerous fake setlists to be revealed, damaged customer goodwill with a crap Aerosmith release that bombed, and then held onto their list with an insane amount of duplicates until they finally had to release it.

This isn't a super secret project. Both companies know which songs and bands each one is going for. If you have doubles, you hold those for future DLC, you don't allow this many doubles on the disk. Every one of those bands have another huge hit that could have replaced the duplicate.

I don't really mind the doubles so much, although that's because I probably won't get Rock Band. Still, I think you guys are assuming that everyone is going to automatically get both games, which isn't the case. I'd guess the average person is still only buying one music game and won't be affected. I don't think that Activision "screwed themselves" at all.

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Originally Posted by thelwig14 (Post 8934902)

Not sure they can control fake setlists. Any fool can type one up and post one. I never led myself to believe anything about them unless it came out of Activision or devs for Act. Today we know.

Crap Aerosmith? It is what it is. You either love Aerosmith, and knew what your were getting into or mope about it not being the "next GH3". I bought it solely to have more songs to play. I expected nothing more since it was using the same GH3 engine. Honestly this should have been an entirely DLC product but for people with Wii's or no internet they are thankful I'm sure.

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This isn't a super secret project. Both companies know which songs and bands each one is going for. If you have doubles, you hold those for future DLC, you don't allow this many doubles on the disk. Every one of those bands have another huge hit that could have replaced the duplicate.

Problem is the band may only license that particular song for gaming. So you make the choice to put a dupe in or nothing. Id rather have a dupe. Plus you are forgetting alot of people dont have the resources to buy both games, or have access to DLC.

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Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 8925287)

which seems to me even more reason to start getting us, the public, talking about what comes out in seven weeks.

Well, at least they officially came out with something to talk about finally.