I hope the list is a fake one.

They have been touting Van Halen and the Eagles from the beginning and we get one song from each?

Yet there are 3 Tool songs and a dedicated venue supposedly? And why exactly would they deserve such treatment over any other artist on the disc? Seems a bit unfair, regardless of whether you like Tool or not.

$$$$$$

It probably made sense financially to lock them up to an exclusive, and this is one way they got them to do so. Even though a lot more people hate them than Van Halen or The Eagles (me included), having a Tool-centered venue and 3 songs will still draw more people to the game than it will turn away. I'm sure they would have loved to do the same for VH or The Eagles, but they probably didn't want to pony up the money to get 3 songs now. 3 Tool tracks were surely much cheaper.

Has Green Day signed on with either upcoming game? Or is anything in the works at all?

No, but someone mentioned they're "on hiatus" which somehow means they won't be...? They have so many songs that would just be a blast to play all around. Maybe, as I've said before, one of the few bands that's more fun to sing, drum, or play bass on than to play guitar.

I can't wait for this game after getting into GH3 over the last few months...this one looks incredible and the series has restored my faith in video games.

If NOFX, Sublime and Michael Jackson are on the setlist, that's icing on the cake.

Setlist is a fake.

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2008/07...-list-is-fake/

^ That was posted on the previous page last week, but we still aren't convinced that it is fake based upon that.

They are running out of time to brand the consumers minds to not drop cash on Rock Band. They should never have allowed a fake setlist to flood the internet. Now, it most likely only end in disappointment when the real list is revealed.

I disagree. GHIII outsold RB 3:1 and Red Octane's instruments are widely perceived as far superior to EA's efforts. So they have the superior instruments and they have the install base. Minor setlist differences aren't going to make or break the franchise. Not to mention the Doors, the Eagles and Hendrix are official and huge draws. I don't think they have to worry about people jumping ship en-masse to the Rock Band-wagon.

I disagree. Sales aren't an end all comparison because Rock Band was entering the market and has been building goodwill with their DLC efforts.

Not everyone has disposable income. I am buying both for sure. I am probably buying Rock Revolution as well. But many people are going to make a decision on one or the other.

And GH, from a business perspective, has some strikes against it (and of course they have strenghts as well with a stronger name brand). But, they have been beaten by Rock Band by release, they have been beaten by Rock Band by DLC, they have been beaten by Rock Band with media coverage of each sequel from each company, etc...

It is marketing and business and GH is allowing consumers to jump to the other side. They are doing a horrible job of squashing Rock Band momentum. There is only a finite number of dollars for the music game marketplace. GH is going to make a ton of money, but they are limiting their revenues by their business strategy at the moment.

Plus Rock Band sounds more fun as a band game than Guitar Hero does. Harmonix/EA have the upper-hand in name recognition this time.

As was mentioned before when E3 was wrapping up, I still don't see how anyone who was deciding between Guitar Hero and Rock Band have already chosen Rock Band 2 just because their set list is out and GH's isn't.

The gamers that are into the genre have already decided to either buy both, had already been set on one or the other based on previous success (Shagrath :p) or wait until closer to release to see what both games fully offer. Early set lists won't change that. Plus, GH is marketing just fine with news about Metallica and Hendrix which has gotten plenty of press in the gaming media. Not to mention, like Corvin said, the strength of Red Octane's instruments. Heck, the drum set alone seemed to be winning people over when pictures of that were first shown.

That's the important thing. Fake setlist or not, we know GH will have a great one at the end of the day. Primarily because they have these big bands, as well as VH, Aerosmith, possibly more classic GnR, and at least the album deal with Metallica. Plus they have the more successful brand, and they'll be selling plenty as not just stand-alone games and full bundles, but the successful guitar/game bundle as well.

From a gamer's perspective, yes that is correct. But not from the general public. EA is a master as marketing and driving a product. And they are proving their superiority over Activision at the moment by generating a much better campaign.

Great for gamers, but does the casual gamer care? It certainly hasn't translated into monumental sales.

Disposable income? That's more of an argument for existing GHIII owners to get GH:WT since their guitars already work without a further investment(yes they work in RB, but it's not like EA can promote that on the box). Not to mention doesn't every 360 come with a headset? There's your mic. They get half the experience at a minimal investment, the price of the game.

Beaten to the floor with drums & mic, DLC and media coverage? Yes, they released the first full band game & yes they are trouncing GH with DLC, but has that helped sales? It hasn't. Media coverage? Who's pitching Rock Band? I know for GH I see Slash promoting GHIII. Aerosmith with their own game/promotion. I see Travis Barker and Chad Smith pitching GH:WT. What media coverage are you talking about? Outside the net I don't see jack for RB.

Again, you can claim people are jumping ship but the numbers just don't support that stance. Internet and gaming boards make it sound worse than it is. In the real world the sales just don't jive with that theory.

Interesting discussion anyway.

I think my retina just exploded...

Comparing sales numbers of GHIII to RB is silly. The RB bundle cost twice as much, and many people only needed the GHIII disc-only version. Obviously GH had the name recognition advantage, but to use the sales numbers for GHIII to as an indicator of GHIV sales numbers is not at all accurate.

The general public probably knows the Guitar Hero brand better then Rock Band, and probably recognizes Hendrix, Van Halen, and Metallica as big selling points. I doubt the casual player would be sold yet on a set list released at a gaming press junket. Now Rock Band 2 coming out earlier, that's probably an advantage for those folks.

The GH guitars work in Rock Band as well, so that argument doesn't really fly. You can buy the RB game by itself and use your GH guitars.

As for the bundle being twice as expensive, that was apparently the price of beating Activision to the table since stand-alone instruments weren't available for months. Hell, on the PS3 you could buy the game only but not a single instrument or the bundle. That's brilliant marketing right there. Or how about putting out RB on Wii in June and RB2 in Nov.? Crazy.

The guitars, yes, but obviously there is still a huge hole in your argument.

To be fair, I think the game only for PS3 was lanched under the mistaken assumption that they'd be able to patch in GH guitar support without being blocked. And as far as I remember, the PS3 bundle was out on the same day as the game only.

Not on the PS3.

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Hey, what's a 29th kick in the testicles at this point?

:lol: Oh shit... still funny!