There's your problem right there.. you're WAY too concerned about what the character looks like rather than how good of a game they're in. Not all games need to be marketed towards pre-adolescent boys.. girls and younger kids play video games too (and older males that may enjoy characters that inspire imagination rather then being grounded in reality). Your statement is that no games should be made with characters for these audiences because YOU don't want to play them. For every Kirby game, there are twenty Vietnam war games.. yet you take the time to pick out the one Kirby game.. interesting.

Totally. Katamari Damacy is the most innovative game I've played in a LONG time. I should get ad revenue from Sony and Namco considering my pimping of the game has sold 3 Playstation 2s and about 6-7 copies of Katamari in the last month.

I am concerned with the way a game looks because it's how I interact with the game. It's what I see and what I first experience quite literally. There is no way in hell that I would play either of those games as a 27-year-old gamer. The characters don't have to be men, the games don't have to be violent but the basic premise of the game and the art direction has to appeal to the audience. Think Ratchet and Clank more than GTA as an example. Not caring about how a car looks would be like buying a car that has a great engine and is fun to drive but looks like crap (to me at least). Keep in mind I wasn't dissing on all the DS games but just the Nintendo rehash-disguised-as-"innovation" machine.

ps. Sorry for hijacking the thread a bit.
pss. As I added to my earlier post, I did order Katamri Damacy.

I kind of understand what you are saying. That is obviously why most of the top selling games that aren't sports related are very violent. Gamers today go by the look of the game as much as the gameplay and they want more realistic and violent games. Mario's Disney like world just doesn't cut it anymore for the average gamer. Even Racket and Clank have a more mature theme to them than a Mario game.

On the other side of things that new Kirby game on the GBA is excellent where the new GTA game on the GBA sucked balls. The sad thing is the GTA game will probably sell better. Personally I can not put style over substance. The fact I'm a pink creampuff or a gang member doesn't bother me as long as the game is fun.

While the princess game may be a "rehash disguised" (and you can't really say that for sure until you know how it plays), the Kirby game doesn't appear to be. It looks like you control Kirby with the stylus, by drawing rainbows across the screen. Call it kiddy if you want, but it is certainly innovative.

Your posts are reading like this: "Nintendo should only make games that I, the all-powerful The Franchise, would play!" Your acting as if they are doing something wrong by making games outside YOUR demograph. There are TONS of games coming out that I would never play in a thousand years for one reason or another, but I'm not in the Madden 2005 thread claiming that EA is wrong for not catering to what I want to play. I understand there is an audience for those games.

I'm 2 months shy of being a 26-year-old male gamer and Super Princess Peach is probably my 2nd most anticipated title on the DS. My girlfriend owns practically every Kirby game made.

Anyway, I'm done arguing.. I just hope that you understand that just because YOU don't want a game where you play as a princess or a pink blob, doesn't mean there aren't people out there that do.

Even if it is a "rehash disguised", so what..? Every Halo, SOCOM or spec-op game coming out is essentially a rehash of the basic FPS formula; but people enjoy them because of what each title brings new to the table, or just because they like playing a game with that basic format. San Andreas is a rehash of other GTA games, and let's not forget the yearly patches to the sports franchises. People buy Madden each year because they love the game and want the new rosters or new features. Much the same, people who enjoy the old-style 2D platform games are going to welcome Princess Peach with open arms.

25 years of video games, true innovation is harder to come by. What really shines is when companies can make truly fun games using tried-and-true formulas.

I find it interesting that The Franchise is knocking Nintendo for being derivative when Sony's stated purpose with the PSP is to simply replicate the PS2 experience in a handheld. Accordingly, the vast majority of the games mentioned for the system are ports of long-standing PlayStation franchises. At least Nintendo's making the effort on the hardware end to change things up a bit.

As far as his insinuation that graphics make the game, just because your sprite has tits and a bazooka doesn't mean you're having fun.

you made my sig!

It looks like I am in the minority (at least in this thread) in being of the opinion that playing as a princess doesn't appeal to me. To each their own. My dig was that Ninty said the DS was supposed to be a more upscale themed console aimed at a slightly older and more discerning audience. (I'm too lazy to find the source for this) These character games don't fit in with what I thought they were aiming for.

Read the IGN article I posted before and let me know if you agree with it. I know I do.

Also I never said I need a violent or exploitive game to have fun. DOA: XBV did not appeal to me. Maybe if the princess wasn't wearing a pink (or is it peach) dress and look like a cartoon I would consider the game. I wish I could play games with my eyes closed but I buy what I like and I like what I see at least in terms of initial interest.

Just another webpage with D's and S's highlighted all over the place. I don't really know of any obvious tie-in in this instance like with the WWE, so this is probably just Nintendo reaching out slightly more, which is kind of neat.

The Daily Show

LOL, on the word "Madness, "NES" is between the highlighted D & S. The plot thickens.

http://ds.ign.com/articles/562/562614p1.html

Nintendo DS initial shipment of pre-orders are sold out from Gamestop.

The Urbz: Sims in the City Media

November 01, 2004 - Electronic Arts' The Urbz: Sims in the City is gearing up to launch right alongside the Nintendo DS on November 21 in the states. To celebrate, the publisher has delivered IGN an exclusive, first-ever direct-feed trailer of the DS title along with a host of new screenshots.

Click on our media page below to see a new minute-long video that shows off a wide number of gameplay scenarios from the dual-screened take on The Sims universe. And be sure to feast your eyes on new screens of the game, too.

http://media.ds.ign.com/media/692/692875/imgs_1.html










The screens look pretty nice. I think I will pick this game up.

Chris

The December issue of Edge magazine (Edge Online) has some spicy new details about Nintendo DS. It looks like the touchscreen won't be the only groundbreaking innovation in the handheld console world. Nintendo is getting ready for online, in a BIG way!

Now see...Let's compare this with what Sony is telling their developers: "Better not make games that access the disc too much, or we'll blame you for the failure of the PSP."

If you were a developer, which system would you rather work on?

According to Gamespot, Nintendo cut back their release titles to only 5 from the 10-12 originally announced.

You don't know how to read do you? The Gamespot article you're referring to is entitled "Rumor Control" and merely states that the twelve or so launch titles will be spread through the holiday season. That's no problem by me due to the overwhelming amount of console games that are arriving parallel to the DS launch. As long 5 or 6 games get launched the same day as the system it will do well (remember GBA compatibilty for a HUGE library of "launch titles"). Beat that PSP-ooh I can watch movies I already own on DVD. Already have prepurchased two systems myself.

[mod hat on] Hey Jedi, cool it with the personal jab, OK? [/mod hat on]

[mod hat off] Wouldn't it be in Nintendo's best interest to get this into everyone's hands ASAP before the PSP is released?

Since you already received a warning, I won't jab back, but I do point to the term "launch titles".

These are games that are released when the console/portable is launched, ie, that day. You can't start calling a launch longer than one day or it just becomes pointless. So what, they are calling their launch through December? Okay, PSP will have 30 launch titles then. Of course, Sony could always say that their own launch is until June, which would mean the PSP will be released with 100 titles.

The launch titles are the games that are physically in the store the day the console/portable is launched. Anything beyond that is marketing bullshit.

I beleive any game released within a week of the period is a launch title. So, we should get atleast a dozen games within that week (Though reports are the DS may be available as early as next friday.)

www.nintendods.com

Pretty good website for "showing" of the features of the product and how it could be used. Regarding someone saying Nintendo claims 8 players at once, the website says 16, don't know if thats a change in their stance of not.

It does mention the infinite repeating hub feature.

I didn't see that last bit. Where was it?

I read it wrong, its under the "connect" part. It refers to infinite players connecting to a hotspot. I read it as infinite connections spanning large distances. My bad.

I'm pretty sure the feature wil be there though, makes the whole feature much more worthwhile. Sorry for any confusion.

The Cart