Writers Strike 2023
#126
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About the writers strike.. I have some mixed feelings about it. I am all for writers getting more money because they are absolutely the fuel that makes the whole engine go in a production and the quality of a show is largely dependent on them. Imagine Night Court with good writers? It would be fantastic.
However.. writers don't have risk. They aren't putting up their own money in hopes that a show succeeds. They are being hired by a production company to write episodes and they are getting paid for that regardless of if the show actually succeeds or not. Right now when they talk about the strike they mention a popular show and how everyone is making a ton of money off of it and writers aren't making much at all in comparison - but they don't talk about the 10 other shows that failed where the writers made their money and the production companies lost millions. I'm OK with writers getting more residuals so when there is a success they can join in on that success monetarily but I am NOT in favor of the mandatory staffing and guaranteed work they want. The industry doesn't work that way. It shouldn't work that way. It's not a one-size-fits-all kind of industry. Imagine a studio taking a chance on a show and picking it up and showing a couple of episodes and it bombs. If they had the writers create 12 episodes they would be on the hook to pay them for 36 weeks worth of work above what they already got paid and with mandatory staffing they'd have to do that with a minimum of 4 writers. I'm not sure why everyone else should be out of work with a failed show except the writers who would get an extra 36 weeks worth of pay. I think this may turn into a "be careful what you ask for" type of moment where far less projects will be green lighted because of the risk it carries and, in the end, that will hurt everyone.
Anyhow that's my take on it.. I guess we'll see what happens.
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#127
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So they’re doing the same thing they did for season 1?
#128
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Hacks on Max also apparently shut down production of it's 3rd season due to the strike
I read yesterday that Tokyo Vice is still filming in Japan and the showrunner is still on set, but he's not allowed to mess with the scripts and they had to be time stamped before the strike was declared in order to be used.
I read yesterday that Tokyo Vice is still filming in Japan and the showrunner is still on set, but he's not allowed to mess with the scripts and they had to be time stamped before the strike was declared in order to be used.
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Hacks on Max also apparently shut down production of it's 3rd season due to the strike
I read yesterday that Tokyo Vice is still filming in Japan and the showrunner is still on set, but he's not allowed to mess with the scripts and they had to be time stamped before the strike was declared in order to be used.
I read yesterday that Tokyo Vice is still filming in Japan and the showrunner is still on set, but he's not allowed to mess with the scripts and they had to be time stamped before the strike was declared in order to be used.
#130
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I do understand the grievances for the most part. Back in the day of Broadcast TV and Cable the way shows were presented where more or less the same and so on a successful show residuals could be something to plan with. Now with mostly streaming the landscape has changed, but there are also more jobs for actually writing new material.
The streamers know that and for the big names the consider the "loss" of backend deals. That's why the budget for movies like Glass Onion or Red Notice are so blown up.
The streamers know that and for the big names the consider the "loss" of backend deals. That's why the budget for movies like Glass Onion or Red Notice are so blown up.
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Yeah the grievances are legit. This type of thing is difficult and affects all of us, but it has to happen every few years or the Industry will take more and more from them.
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Oh, no. Drew Barrymore has pulled out of hosting the MTV Movie and TV awards this weekend due to the writers' strike. The show will be hostless.
https://deadline.com/2023/05/drew-ba...rs-1235356207/
https://deadline.com/2023/05/drew-ba...rs-1235356207/
and providing Jobs.... Damn them.
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#134
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This doesn't paint Corden in a good light at all:
https://twitter.com/WyattDuncan/stat...782069760?s=20
https://twitter.com/WyattDuncan/stat...782069760?s=20
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More details:
https://meaww.com/ellen-de-generes-r...aved-like-brat
But the most concrete accusation against him is also one that he inadvertently confirmed on Twitter while trying to defend himself. The accusation revolves around a 2019 incident, where Corden reportedly showed up at a Writers Guild of America (WGA) meeting with his executive producer (but none of his writers) to advocate for a "new writer's program" that would allow his show to hire writers who had interned for a year on a show at a wage lower than the mandated minimum set by the Guild.
The accusation came from a late night writer who had attended the meeting, tweeting from the handle @jackallisonLOL. He wrote: "I’d like to state once again for the record that I went to a WGA meeting for only late night writers, and James Corden showed up without any of his staffers to advocate for a lower pay grade for late night writers."
Replying to the accusation, Corden tried to frame the incident in a more positive light, tweeting that he "would never ever want to pay a writer less than they deserve. Never. I love every writer on my show and all I ever wanted from that meeting was to explore whether talented people could get a better opportunity.”
However, @jackallisonLOL immediately scuttled Corden's 'out of the kindness of his heart' argument by saying: "James, you showed up to a guild meeting, as an employer, flanked by your executive producer, to advocate for the show's interest to pay writers less. If you want to give talented young writers a shot, you can pay them the Guild minimum that was negotiated in the MBA". MBA in his tweet referred to the 'Minimum Basic Agreement', a collective bargaining agreement that covers the benefits, rights, and protections for most of the work done by WGA members. Corden was not able to answer to this tweet, in essence confirming that he was trying to take advantage of new writers who were lowest on the totem pole and could be exploited.
The accusation came from a late night writer who had attended the meeting, tweeting from the handle @jackallisonLOL. He wrote: "I’d like to state once again for the record that I went to a WGA meeting for only late night writers, and James Corden showed up without any of his staffers to advocate for a lower pay grade for late night writers."
Replying to the accusation, Corden tried to frame the incident in a more positive light, tweeting that he "would never ever want to pay a writer less than they deserve. Never. I love every writer on my show and all I ever wanted from that meeting was to explore whether talented people could get a better opportunity.”
However, @jackallisonLOL immediately scuttled Corden's 'out of the kindness of his heart' argument by saying: "James, you showed up to a guild meeting, as an employer, flanked by your executive producer, to advocate for the show's interest to pay writers less. If you want to give talented young writers a shot, you can pay them the Guild minimum that was negotiated in the MBA". MBA in his tweet referred to the 'Minimum Basic Agreement', a collective bargaining agreement that covers the benefits, rights, and protections for most of the work done by WGA members. Corden was not able to answer to this tweet, in essence confirming that he was trying to take advantage of new writers who were lowest on the totem pole and could be exploited.
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Ugh, I've never been a fan of that guy.
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This is gonna get ugly.
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#140
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There is contention about what is and isn't allowed as interpreted by these companies and by the union.
The memo specifically states that in showrunner and/or writer-producer roles, “you may, along with other non-writing services, be required to perform services commonly referred to as ‘a. thorough h.’ services as a producer,” such as cutting for time, small changes to dialogue or narration made before or during production and “changes in technical or stage directions.” These are duties that, according to the WGA’s contract, non-writers can perform on covered projects.
However, the WGA strike rules explicitly prohibit union members from performing these activities during the 2023 work stoppage. “The Rules prohibit hyphenates (members who are employed in dual capacities) from performing any writing services, including the ‘(a) through (h)’ functions,” the rules state, which puts showrunners and writer-producers in a difficult position, caught between the dictates of their employers and their own union.
However, the WGA strike rules explicitly prohibit union members from performing these activities during the 2023 work stoppage. “The Rules prohibit hyphenates (members who are employed in dual capacities) from performing any writing services, including the ‘(a) through (h)’ functions,” the rules state, which puts showrunners and writer-producers in a difficult position, caught between the dictates of their employers and their own union.
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#142
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Well yeah, the WGA wants EVERYONE to stop so they can get their demands met so they can line their pockets with more union money. But show running isn't writing, it's a different Job they are performing. I guess they will just hire SCABS to come in and finish the job and the studios can start cancelling all those very expensive "deals" they have. Amazon must be so thankful for the $60 million they paid for nothing https://sports.yahoo.com/three-years...072304048.html . Maybe the WGA should start asking for more trickle down from those lucrative deals.
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#143
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Ryan Condal, the showrunner for House of the Dragon, is still working in a non-writing capacity for season 2 right now
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#146
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Oh, no. Drew Barrymore has pulled out of hosting the MTV Movie and TV awards this weekend due to the writers' strike. The show will be hostless.
https://deadline.com/2023/05/drew-ba...rs-1235356207/
https://deadline.com/2023/05/drew-ba...rs-1235356207/
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Jay G. (05-06-23)
#148
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Not a James Cordon fan but I think the plan all along was to end the show in April 2023.
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CBS said they were losing money on James Cordon's show and the losses were not sustainable. I wonder if this was just an effort to lower expenses on his show so it could get control of their budget..
Last edited by g; 05-06-23 at 06:25 AM.
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