Yep, the reality TV reckoning is coming. What happens on those shows is downright criminal (and all of them can get tossed into the sea, as far as I’m concerned).

Good for them for not letting the networks get away with exploitation to make a buck.

Deadline editorial

https://x.com/deadline/status/169400...ROaaX6I5S_8l2Q

I know you’re super obsessed with the CEOs who make the big buckets and not the $1000+ a day writers who churn out some terrible scripts.

Sounds great! I’m bummed I won’t be able to see the 26th worst cook in America (LOL) but the world is better off. Hopefully they can get a GrubHub job or something

Totally agree. Both sides need to compromise, but neither is willing to budge much. Writers demands seem out of line, and the studios are not giving enough. AI is coming and writers need to accept that and work with it. Studios should give up more of the pie. Minimum staffing is a massive joke and needs to be dropped. I imagine that’s a huge sticking point.

overall it’ll be a lot less jobs going around, but I’m sure they both know that and the veteran writers don’t give a shit about the newer writers anyway. Hopefully you’ll get some new episodes of CSI and I can go back to hate watch The Rookie.

Well that GrubHub job probably pays better.

What is it about other people losing work that makes you so happy?

It suck’s for those (BTL - crew, other businesses that support the industry etc) that did not vote to Strike…which is what I have been saying. Writers voted to strike so there is no sympathy for them. They chose this road and 100+ days later they are still waving their signs and giving speeches.

So writers shouldn't strike for fair pay because it negatively affects the industry?

My god, it's almost like...a strike...has an impact...on the industry.

Fair pay is in the eye of the beholder. The WGA minimums are already at $1000+ a day and waaaaay more if you write an entire script. Pretty fucking fair to me.

But they voted to strike, so I hope they are happy with whatever deal they eventually get, because all the union cares about is getting MORE people staffed so they can get MORE dues. The results will be less scripted shows and less episode orders.

Anyway, my Uber just arrived and Ryan Murphy is taking me to grab some lunch. Just kidding, he had a 6 figure deal with Netflix and will get even a bigger one with Disney shortly. But shhhhhhh. Can’t let the other writers know.

You can't be that ignorant. You making fun of us, aren't you? I mean, it hat been explained to you that the union is a joining together of writers to have a united voice and not some corporation, trying to trick writers into paying protection money and the difference between a showrunner who is also a big producer and a staff writer has been explained countless times and your still making the same argument over and over again.

You can't be serious.

The process doesn't work like the way you're describing it.
Long before the contract expired negotiations began on the new contract.
Only when you can't come to agreement by date of current contract expiration do you strike. You're working with no contract and studios can do whatever they want. Cut the $1000/day to minimum wage if they want. No agreement exists. Why would any union agree to work without a contract, giving the studios the power to do whatever they want? The whole point of a contract is to get the company to make agreements in writing so the company can't go back on it's word. Both sides agree to terms and hold the other side to it. Just like any other contract.
The opposite is employment at will, both sides can end the relationship at any time. However, this allows the employer to dictate terms. What the union does is gives the average joe the bargaining power to get a written agreement from the employer. Employer can't cut vacation from two weeks to one because Joe has a contract that guarantees him two weeks. The guy not in a union gets his vacation cut.

You've made your point... over and over and over again. Just repeating the same thing and ignoring factual information. Please take a break from this thread until anything with the situation actually changes.

Ok Daddy.

meanwhile, a new much better deal was offered yesterday and the WGA shit alllll over it. I hope everyone enjoys repeats! The WGA is in it to make all their members homeless at this point. I’m enjoying the Deadline comments.

can members of the WGA vote out people or are they stuck with the leaders actively keeping them unemployed? I ask because everyone here seems to know so much

Could you detail what makes this a "much better deal" that the WGA members should jump at?

Nahh someone else can link it.

I'm not saying go line by line, I'm saying what makes it in your eyes like a can't miss deal that they should fire their current union leaders over?

It doesn’t matter to DVDTalk members. They want writers to make 10,000k a day and get $18 everyone an episode is streamed.

No one has said that.

You sure do have a lot of opinions about this strike and very few facts.

Im just loving how active TV Talk is!

Meanwhile I’ll be watching my extensive catalog collection of shows while waiting the eventual return of The Rookie. It’s warm in Los Angeles today.

I'm done feeding the you know what. Just no engagement, same thing over and over, moving goalposts, etc.

Ok Daddy. Thank you.

So, in the interest of having an actual conversation about this, unlike some.

From this article about the latest negotiation and offer from AMPTP:
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/23/ampt...act-offer.html


I will say, while AMPTP does look to have conceded on some items, presenting it as their "single and only counteroffer" is pretty a poor negotiating tactic when you're trying to re-open negotiations. Like, the writers are on strike because they already rejected your last "final" offer, so why would they accept this?

A big thing missing from AMPTP's proposal is any minimum staffing for the writers' room.

Minimum staffing is what the WGA really wants since (even before the strike) all networks and streamers are reducing scripted content which would reduce the amount of writers needed which would reduce their dues. The WGA wont accept the change in the industry and needs to protect its dues as much as possible. For the time being. Times have changed and we no longer need milk men or people to repair horse and buggies.

Have the WGA taken the proposal to vote amongst the writers or they can determine yes or no on their own whim excluding everyone who pays monthly dues? Comments on deadline from alleged writers show they want this deal but can’t speak up in fear of being blacklisted by their union. Writers no longer have a say on any of this - it’s their Union bosses who get to determine if they will be eating ramen from their cars.

I saw an article that said 3 writers for something like x weeks covering pre and post, but no to 10+ in a room.

Does none of this fall on the producers? I work government adjacent and some departments have moved to a budgeting approach that allows spending flexibility. Need more “things”? Buy them. Need more people? Buy them too, but at the expense of things.

Why can’t an EP make the call to cut production but and spend it on 2-3 more writers?

I'm concerned. This is some creepy shit.

So based on your analogy to milkmen and horse and buggies, you think scripted series no longer need... writers? Do you even think about what you write?

More shows were produced in 2023 than any other year. Sure, they're cutting back now, but the studios and streamers were reducing the size of the writers room even as they were exploiting the amount of shows produced. They exploited the lack of minimums to cut down the writers room, and are now crying hardship at losing money due to the overexpansion they themselves did to try and chase subscribers.

The WGA negotiating committee has some leeway on what they present to the union members for a vote. But if the majority were really for a particular offer, they would make that known, and the WGA would likely put it up for a vote. Despite your continued attempts to paint the union as some mob holding writers hostage, the strike lines show that the vast majority of writers still support the strike.