Writers Strike 2023
08-18-23 | 01:54 PM
#826
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Re: Writers Strike 2023
I hope the writers get what they want / deserve. I know the money is better served in their pockets than in some execs trust fund. And, at the end of the day, I selfishly want more content. In about 6-9 months, when the well is dry, this is going to really hit home. We'll be watching season after season of Big Brother and The Bachelor.
When we get back to a 'real' schedule (24/25 season), let's see how many scripted shows, if any, do 22 episodes a year. Anyone can quote me on this in 1-2 years, but I'd be shocked if anything hour long was still doing 22, and probably very few sitcoms doing 22 unless there is so massive syndication deal funding it (Maybe a show like the Neighborhood which is network owned and will be sold all over can still pump out 22 and be profitable).
08-18-23 | 01:55 PM
#827
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Re: Writers Strike 2023
Gizmo is just trying to distract from the fact that he doesn't actually care about any Hollywood workers, and would throw the crew under the bus in a minute if they dared to strike and halt production as well.
It's just one of a half dozen tired, unimaginative, arguments that have already been refuted that he cycles through, since he's unable to actually defend any of them or hold a serious conversation.
It's just one of a half dozen tired, unimaginative, arguments that have already been refuted that he cycles through, since he's unable to actually defend any of them or hold a serious conversation.
08-18-23 | 02:01 PM
#828
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Writers Strike 2023
Ah, so by "the next few weeks will be telling," you meant that nobody would be able to tell anything because it will all be done in secret? And yet all these secret terminations still didn't lead to the day-100 deal like you predicted, so you're still wrong, even with your weak attempt at shifting goalposts.
Did you read that article you linked to at all? It cites sources at the studios, not the WGA, and then spends a huge portion of the article arguing why it's likely the studios won't do it.
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/w...ed-1235682117/
Like, thanks for the evidence supporting my position that you're full of crap.
You've proven repeatedly you don't actually care about those workers, you just think you can pin the blame solely on the actors and writers for striking, and not on the studios and streamers for not negotiating in good faith and getting a reasonable deal in place. Remember when the studios let leak that they were deliberately dragging out the strike to hopefully make everyone bankrupt and desperate?
Remember, this is the shit your friends at the WGA was discussing over and over and over how they studios wanted to do "force majeure" by making the strike last 90 days. If it didn't happen, shouldn't we be celebrating the studios for not being dicks?
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/w...ed-1235682117/
Major Hollywood studios and streaming platforms are considering terminating some of their first look and overall deals with writers as soon as Aug. 1, more than half-a-dozen sources with knowledge of various term agreements and talks inside these companies told Variety. ..
The deals for major creators – at the level of a Ryan Murphy, Shonda Rhimes, Taylor Sheridan or Tyler Perry – stipulate that their pacts cannot be jettisoned unless a given studio enacts that clause for all of the term agreements they hold....
David Goodman, co-chair of the WGA negotiating committee, echoed this in an interview with Variety this week. “They have a legal problem unless you’re gonna force majeure all the deals,” he said...
“They’re not paying people now,” Goodman added. “They’ve suspended very big deals. My assumption is that’s all they need.”...
Contractual terms are not all that might keep force majeure at bay. The money saved by a studio would be negligible, especially compared to the potential public relations headache those kind of terminations could present, noted one top content executive.
The deals for major creators – at the level of a Ryan Murphy, Shonda Rhimes, Taylor Sheridan or Tyler Perry – stipulate that their pacts cannot be jettisoned unless a given studio enacts that clause for all of the term agreements they hold....
David Goodman, co-chair of the WGA negotiating committee, echoed this in an interview with Variety this week. “They have a legal problem unless you’re gonna force majeure all the deals,” he said...
“They’re not paying people now,” Goodman added. “They’ve suspended very big deals. My assumption is that’s all they need.”...
Contractual terms are not all that might keep force majeure at bay. The money saved by a studio would be negligible, especially compared to the potential public relations headache those kind of terminations could present, noted one top content executive.
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08-18-23 | 02:03 PM
#829
DVD Talk Legend
08-18-23 | 02:41 PM
#830
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Re: Writers Strike 2023
Did you read that article you linked to at all? It cites sources at the studios, not the WGA, and then spends a huge portion of the article arguing why it's likely the studios won't do it.
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/w...ed-1235682117/
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/w...ed-1235682117/
https://www.thewrap.com/writers-stri...force-majeure/
08-18-23 | 02:56 PM
#831
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Re: Writers Strike 2023
Article about how force majeure functions, written purportedly by an entertainment attorney in los angeles.
https://variety.com/vip/force-majeur...od-1235696310/
(It appears the article writer was previously an attorney for the Directors Guild of America).
https://variety.com/vip/force-majeur...od-1235696310/
(It appears the article writer was previously an attorney for the Directors Guild of America).
08-18-23 | 03:24 PM
#832
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Writers Strike 2023
Everyone wants more content, but at the end of the day, the studios were already in cost cutting mode since no one is watching all the content they produced. At the end of this strike, and SAGs, there will far less shows produced as the overall expense will go up due to Writers getting more $ etc. Remember, Big Brothers ratings from last night still top 90% of scripted on Broadcast for a fraction of the price.
When we get back to a 'real' schedule (24/25 season), let's see how many scripted shows, if any, do 22 episodes a year. Anyone can quote me on this in 1-2 years, but I'd be shocked if anything hour long was still doing 22, and probably very few sitcoms doing 22 unless there is so massive syndication deal funding it (Maybe a show like the Neighborhood which is network owned and will be sold all over can still pump out 22 and be profitable).
08-18-23 | 03:47 PM
#833
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Ah, so by "the next few weeks will be telling," you meant that nobody would be able to tell anything because it will all be done in secret?
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...-2-1235570179/
‘The Peripheral’ Season 2 Scrapped at AmazonThe tech giant's Prime Video cites the writers and actors strikes in undoing a renewal for the series from 'Westworld's' Lisa Joy and Jonathan Nolan.
Just had to wait a few hours, right?
"I hear The Peripheral is not the only Amazon scripted series whose renewal has been rescinded and there is at least one other series that won’t go to a second season.
According to sources, the cancellation stems from the length of the work stoppage due to the ongoing WGA strike, now in its 109th day, and the SAG-AFTRA strike, in Day 36, which have delayed production, creating large gaps between seasons and making shows miss their target release dates."
Jay, are you there?
Prime Video is not moving forward with the previously ordered second — and final — season of comedy-drama A League Of Their Own, co-created and starring Abbi Jacobson, Deadline has learned.
This one barely even got a renewal and now, it's gone.
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08-18-23 | 04:47 PM
#834
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Writers Strike 2023
Article about how force majeure functions, written purportedly by an entertainment attorney in los angeles.
https://variety.com/vip/force-majeur...od-1235696310/
(It appears the article writer was previously an attorney for the Directors Guild of America).
https://variety.com/vip/force-majeur...od-1235696310/
(It appears the article writer was previously an attorney for the Directors Guild of America).
08-18-23 | 04:50 PM
#835
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Writers Strike 2023
Yes, the irony is you keep providing me with ammunition proving you wrong. That's an article about a show cancellation, not about severing a writing/development deal with a writer.
Nice attempt to shift the goalposts, but you were still completely wrong about your original prediction, and your subsequent flailing around just keeps proving it.
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08-18-23 | 05:03 PM
#836
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Re: Writers Strike 2023
Yes, the irony is you keep providing me with ammunition proving you wrong. That's an article about a show cancellation, not about severing a writing/development deal with a writer.
Nice attempt to shift the goalposts, but you were still completely wrong about your original prediction, and your subsequent flailing around just keeps proving it.
Nice attempt to shift the goalposts, but you were still completely wrong about your original prediction, and your subsequent flailing around just keeps proving it.
08-18-23 | 08:21 PM
#837
Re: Writers Strike 2023
No, they knew exactly what it was when they voted on it. The long-time members, who are the majority, voted themselves a raise at the expense of their juniors. Happens all the time in unions. The NBPA did exactly that when they voted to limit rookie compensation.
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08-21-23 | 06:18 AM
#838
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Re: Writers Strike 2023
I wonder if this will mean SNL will keep most of their cast members now since the time to fire and replace them with new people is probably gone?
08-21-23 | 05:04 PM
#839
DVD Talk God
Re: Writers Strike 2023
Unrelated to the writers, but Food Network's Worst Cooks in America shuts down production with crew on strike. Cameras, Sets and electric involved to get the show covered under IATSE
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...73e828aa12daf1
Good. Cheap networks think they can take advantage of crews to make cheap reality TV with terrible pay.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...73e828aa12daf1
Good. Cheap networks think they can take advantage of crews to make cheap reality TV with terrible pay.
08-21-23 | 05:47 PM
#840
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Re: Writers Strike 2023
Unrelated to the writers, but Food Network's Worst Cooks in America shuts down production with crew on strike. Cameras, Sets and electric involved to get the show covered under IATSE
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...73e828aa12daf1
Good. Cheap networks think they can take advantage of crews to make cheap reality TV with terrible pay.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...73e828aa12daf1
Good. Cheap networks think they can take advantage of crews to make cheap reality TV with terrible pay.
I hope a lot of people are prepared to find new employment in a different industry. We’re gonna see a massive decline in “new” content and frankly, thanks fine.
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08-21-23 | 05:56 PM
#841
DVD Talk God
Re: Writers Strike 2023
Yup, the whole entertainment industry is going to shut down because everyone wants to selfishly join a union. Just watch the crews of Gordon Ramsay’s shows go on strike.
TV will only be news and sports
Obviously Gizmo, you’re not part of the industry so you have no clue what good and fair pay is for crews. And also a lot of these cheap shows have terrible working conditions.
TV will only be news and sports
Obviously Gizmo, you’re not part of the industry so you have no clue what good and fair pay is for crews. And also a lot of these cheap shows have terrible working conditions.
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08-21-23 | 05:56 PM
#842
Re: Writers Strike 2023
I love how before it's the "greedy writers" who are the problem. Now, when it's a crew strike, we see the true colors. He's basically just against anyone trying to negotiate through a union to improve their working conditions. Basically, "my life sucks and that means everyone else should struggle too."
08-21-23 | 06:04 PM
#843
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Re: Writers Strike 2023
I love how before it's the "greedy writers" who are the problem. Now, when it's a crew strike, we see the true colors. He's basically just against anyone trying to negotiate through a union to improve their working conditions. Basically, "my life sucks and that means everyone else should struggle too."
08-21-23 | 06:06 PM
#844
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Re: Writers Strike 2023
Yup, the whole entertainment industry is going to shut down because everyone wants to selfishly join a union. Just watch the crews of Gordon Ramsay’s shows go on strike.
TV will only be news and sports
Obviously Gizmo, you’re not part of the industry so you have no clue what good and fair pay is for crews. And also a lot of these cheap shows have terrible working conditions.
TV will only be news and sports
Obviously Gizmo, you’re not part of the industry so you have no clue what good and fair pay is for crews. And also a lot of these cheap shows have terrible working conditions.
DJ needs his shows! Just give them whatever they want! Need more CSI. Need more CSI.
08-21-23 | 06:15 PM
#845
DVD Talk God
Re: Writers Strike 2023
Who says this is about me and my shows. You’re the one that’s been outraged for weeks.
For the record, I worked multiple IATSE shows in LA over the years and I get paid about 50 to 60% more than a non-union show. One of my non-union clients hasn’t given me a raise since I started 10 years ago.
For the record, I worked multiple IATSE shows in LA over the years and I get paid about 50 to 60% more than a non-union show. One of my non-union clients hasn’t given me a raise since I started 10 years ago.
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08-21-23 | 06:20 PM
#846
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Re: Writers Strike 2023
Who says this is about me and my shows. You’re the one that’s been outraged for weeks.
For the record, I worked multiple IATSE shows in LA over the years and I get paid about 50 to 60% more than a non-union show. One of my non-union clients hasn’t given me a raise since I started 10 years ago.
For the record, I worked multiple IATSE shows in LA over the years and I get paid about 50 to 60% more than a non-union show. One of my non-union clients hasn’t given me a raise since I started 10 years ago.
pretty solid be then.
08-21-23 | 06:44 PM
#847
Re: Writers Strike 2023
I hate to break it to you, but streaming prices are going up whether they get paid more or not. They've been on the same contract for years, and yet somehow streaming services have continually managed to increase in price while the studios have been cutting costs left and right. You're under the mistaken assumption that these wages in any way drive the price of streaming services when they obviously don't.
I don't see you crying about C-Suite wages and bonuses and saying how it's making everything cost more. You are so anti-worker it's honestly disgusting.
I don't see you crying about C-Suite wages and bonuses and saying how it's making everything cost more. You are so anti-worker it's honestly disgusting.
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08-21-23 | 07:26 PM
#848
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Re: Writers Strike 2023
I hate to break it to you, but streaming prices are going up whether they get paid more or not. They've been on the same contract for years, and yet somehow streaming services have continually managed to increase in price while the studios have been cutting costs left and right. You're under the mistaken assumption that these wages in any way drive the price of streaming services when they obviously don't.
I don't see you crying about C-Suite wages and bonuses and saying how it's making everything cost more. You are so anti-worker it's honestly disgusting.
I don't see you crying about C-Suite wages and bonuses and saying how it's making everything cost more. You are so anti-worker it's honestly disgusting.
of them are losing money…and now writers want a bigger piece of the ever shrinking pie. So that … never mind.
Disgusting is $1000+ a day people striking for more money at a time when content is being cut because expenses have ballooned. At this point, who cares. A good portion of those people will move on to other careers because when it’s all over they’ll be far less of these jobs going around. Who cares anymore. Keep fighting the good fight!
08-21-23 | 08:43 PM
#849
Re: Writers Strike 2023
They're all losing money, and yet the executives at the top keep making more and more money. Yet I don't hear a word from you about that. It's always conveniently ignored. They aren't suffering the effects of these so called ballooning costs. Oh, you know why? Because executive compensation is the ACTUALLY ballooning cost since Reagan fucked over unions in the 80s.
08-21-23 | 09:18 PM
#850
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Writers Strike 2023
These people must be amazing. Making $365k (66 if it’s a leap year!). Clearly I need to change industries.