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Old 08-26-13 | 02:48 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by Double_Oh_7
I can buy Jessie figuring out the ricin cigarette was taken from him. But ricin had nothing to do with Brock's illness. So why is he going after Walt?
See post #144 above.
Old 08-26-13 | 02:54 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by the big train
Obviously, but it's more about appearances at the time. If he starts driving a $100,000 car, people would start asking questions. Nobody would think twice about insurance paying for his treatments (Hank didn't even question it). And if it gets to a point where he's being investigated, his poor brother-in-law paying out of pocket isn't really any kind of decent cover.
Appearances at the time would no longer matter. This confession comes out and everything will be investigated. After Hank and the most annoying character in the series watch the disc, Hank finds out that she took the $$ to pay for his treatment and insurance wasn't used. It is a very big deal.
Old 08-26-13 | 03:09 PM
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When Hank discovered about Walt, he knew his career was over. Now he knows that if he's not careful he can go to jail for a long time.

In other words, he needs to thread lightly
Old 08-26-13 | 03:13 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by Lt Ripley
Appearances at the time would no longer matter. This confession comes out and everything will be investigated. After Hank and the most annoying character in the series watch the disc, Hank finds out that she took the $$ to pay for his treatment and insurance wasn't used. It is a very big deal.
Yes, but the only reason why Hank the drug kingpin would conceivably require Walt to pay his medical bills is as some sort of cover. That doesn't make a lick of sense, because a "mastermind" like Hank would have surmised that nobody at his agency would have thought twice about insurance covering his medical expenses before he'd resort to the lame excuse of his brother paying for it.

The only reason they threw that in there is because it's the one true thing that completely destroys Hank's career.

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Old 08-26-13 | 03:21 PM
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I just remembered about the Tortuga episode. Hank is relocated to El Paso, and then the DEA informant that he just met, and he hated, is killed.

And when his head is found, with some explosives attached, Hank survives despite being one of the first at the scene.

We know what really happened, but I'm sure the DEA won't see it the same way.
Old 08-26-13 | 03:37 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by the big train
Yes, but the only reason why Hank the drug kingpin would conceivably require Walt to pay his medical bills is as some sort of cover.
Yep.

The rest I can't follow.
Old 08-26-13 | 04:17 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

My take on the medical bill payment is that it really does not matter why if Hank were a drug kingpin why would he make Walt pay it....I just figured that the obvious part is Hank did not have the money and the bills were all payed in full....just another problem in Hank trying to get out of this lie that Walt was about to lay on him. Too many incidentals....
Old 08-26-13 | 04:23 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Hell, at this point even Hank's infatuation with "minerals" would come under suspicion!

This is truly Walt's greatest move yet.
Old 08-26-13 | 05:04 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

I wonder if Hank's blog still gets updated:

"Gee the weirdest thing happened. My brother-in-law, the one I talked about? Turns out he's Heisenberg. What a wacky Sunday evening."

Guess not, now that the show is in serious mode:

http://blogs.amctv.com/breaking-bad/hanks-blog/
Old 08-26-13 | 05:57 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by dvdjunkie32
The previews for next week shows scenes from inside the house. It definitely is not abandoned at this point.
1) We don't talk previews outside of spoiler tags.

2) Those previews were clearly of the "Mad Men" type where they took footage and soundbites from past episodes to create that teaser.

This isn't in a spoiler tag to calm anybody who saw the above.
Old 08-26-13 | 06:34 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by Jimmy James
1) We don't talk previews outside of spoiler tags.

2) Those previews were clearly of the "Mad Men" type where they took footage and soundbites from past episodes to create that teaser.

This isn't in a spoiler tag to calm anybody who saw the above.
Thank you, I puposely turn it before the preview came on. I'm not usually so picky but this show and this last season I want to see each fresh.
Old 08-26-13 | 06:56 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

While I was trying to figure things out last night/re-trace the ricin and explain all this to my wife, I first had the following thought...

Not only did Huell lift the pot from Jesse, but he also planted the cigarettes. Saul knew this would set Jesse off and turn him against Walt. If Jesse were able to kill Walt, Saul would have all the money to himself. How? Saul provided Walt with the van that he took to the desert to bury the money. Saul is very familiar with tracking devices. Did Walt ever check to see if there was a tracking device on the van? I don't recall.

Only later did I realize that Huell did not plant the cigarettes, it seems they were in Jesse's pocket all along. But even so, could Saul still be playing Jesse against Walt and could he know where the money is buried. Again, Saul is familiar with tracking devices, this was referenced as recently as last night's episode in the desert.

So, simply a wild, random hypothesis while piecing things together in the midst of all the drama. Not sure if it's too far out or not and Saul would have to be one helluva performer to pull it off, but food for thought.
Old 08-26-13 | 07:01 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Saul is way too weaselly to pull that off. Plus he's been trying to stay on Walt's good side especially, the last few months.
Old 08-26-13 | 07:10 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Jesse's been wallowing and thinking, over-thinking, everything that has happened to him the past couple of months. Brock and the ricin, dirtbike kid, his girlfriend. When he figured that Walt sent Mike to Belize, you can tell this is the kind of stuff he has been mulling over and dwelling on. That scene with the bag of money between him Walter and telling he knows what has happened with Mike said alot about his state of mind. Considering this and his history with Walt and the convenient timing of Fring's death, I can accept it struck him, like a match.

What I felt was stretched and ham-fisted was Saul having a bug up his ass about him smoking a joint and HAVING to make Huell lift it off him. Saul said he didn't know Hoover-man so how would he know if he cared if Jesse had weed? And of course Jesse was going to check for it at some point before getting picked up. That was a very Marie-esque thing of Saul to do.
Old 08-26-13 | 07:19 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Alan Sepinwall's chronology (spoilered for length):

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1)In "End Times," to get Jesse back on his side in the war against Gus, Walt arranges for Huell to steal the cigarette pack with the ricin cigarette out of Jesse's pocket and replace it with a different pack. Saul calls Jesse to his office on shaky reasons, and Huell pats him down in a way that gets Jesse's attention. Walt doesn't use the ricin to poison Brock, but rather a lily of the valley plant that will have a similar but less dangerous effect on the boy.

2)When Jesse hears that Brock has been poisoned, he realizes that the ricin cigarette is missing, then (correctly) puts two and two together that Huell stole it, on Walt's orders. He storms into Walt's house and threatens to kill him for poisoning Brock; Walt convinces Jesse that it was Gus, not him, who wanted to hurt the boy — specifically so Jesse would come to this conclusion and murder Walt for him — and that Tyrus must have lifted the cigarettes from Jesse's locker at the Super Lab. Jesse accepts that Mr. White would never hurt a child, whereas Gus has a history of hurting children, and lets go of the theory about Huell.

3)Doctors later figure out that Brock was poisoned by a lily of the valley, not ricin, making Jesse doubt Walt's theory about Gus manipulating Jesse into shooting Walt, and leaving him to wonder what really happened to the ricin cigarette. Walt stages a phony search of Jesse's house and plants a fake cigarette (containing salt, not ricin) inside Jesse's Roomba. None of this sits well with Jesse, but he once again believes Mr. White.

4)Over the course of season 5, starting around the murder of Drew Sharp, Jesse has begun to realize that he shouldn't believe anything Walt says. Walt claims to be broken up over Drew's death, then whistles while he works. Walt claims that Mike left town alive, when Jesse knows that Walt would've never taken out Mike's guys unless Mike was dead. Walt gives Jesse a whole song and dance about how leaving town will be good for Jesse, when Jesse knows that it will be even better for Walt.

5)Having been primed to disbelieve any word out of Walt's mouth, Jesse goes to Saul's office, lights up a joint and gets scolded by Saul, who knows his relocation expert won't pick up anyone who's high. Saul orders Huell to again pick Jesse's pocket to get rid of the marijuana.

6)At the pick-up spot, a nervous Jesse reaches for his pot, and can't find it. He frantically checks all his pockets, but all he finds is a cigarette pack. Staring at the cigarette pack, and realizing Huell dipped into his pocket without him noticing, Jesse realizes that his first suspicions about the ricin cigarette were correct, and that Mr. White was manipulating him into turning against Gus, endangering Brock's life in the process.

That the ricin wasn't actually used on Brock is beside the point. Jesse knew from the beginning that Huell had picked his pocket, and that he must have done it on Mr. White's orders. He has been thinking about this often in the months since it happened — far more often and more intensely than those of us watching the show have, and in a more compressed time period. When he realizes Huell picked his pocket, and stares at another crumpled cigarette pack, everything clicks into place about the events of "End Times" — including how convenient it was that this terrible thing happened to Brock, which turned Jesse back into Walt's ally, at the exact moment Walt needed an ally against Gus — and he goes on the warpath against Saul, Huell and that asshole Mr. White.

You may disagree with whether Jesse would have put all the pieces together like that, but that's what happened.


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Old 08-26-13 | 08:07 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Good find RoyalTea...but I'm not going to read it twice.
Old 08-26-13 | 09:20 PM
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Old 08-26-13 | 11:18 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

I really doubt that either Jesse or Walt are going to wind up (confirmed) dead. I'm sure there is just too much pressure on Vince Gilligan to leave the door open for a Breaking Bad movie to allow that to happen. We might see one or both presumed dead, or an ambiguous Sopranos-like ending, but I really don't think we'll be seeing either Jesse's or Walt's corpse in this series.

Having said that, I'm hoping that Gilligan tells the suits to go to hell and delivers an honest no-holds-barred finale. But TV history makes me think otherwise.
Old 08-26-13 | 11:22 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Cranston was on Colbert and said that it's going to be wrapped up. He said it will not be like The Sopranos (where, of course, Tony got popped in the head).
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

If we don't see Todd again does he become the next Heisenberg?
Old 08-26-13 | 11:24 PM
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Yeah I don't know where you're getting that Vince Gilligan is under any sort of pressure to do a movie. AMC and Sony aren't going to be idiots in the home stretch.
Old 08-27-13 | 12:35 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by dsa_shea
If we don't see Todd again does he become the next Heisenberg?
This is the thought I've been having. If there is some movie or sequel potential (maybe involving this whole Saul thing), I think it lies here.
Old 08-27-13 | 08:02 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by bluetoast
Yeah I don't know where you're getting that Vince Gilligan is under any sort of pressure to do a movie. AMC and Sony aren't going to be idiots in the home stretch.
exactly. no way they're leaving it open for a film
Old 08-27-13 | 08:55 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

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I think this does a good job of the backstory: http://www.reddit.com/r/breakingbad/...meline_to_the/
Perfect! Thanks...!
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by Numanoid
I really doubt that either Jesse or Walt are going to wind up (confirmed) dead. I'm sure there is just too much pressure on Vince Gilligan to leave the door open for a Breaking Bad movie to allow that to happen.
A movie? What indication has anyone ever given that such a thing is desired? TV shows rarely make the jump to movies.


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