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Old 08-26-13 | 12:35 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

The question (maybe at the heart of the series) is whether Walt has turned evil enough to take that ultimate step; killing Jessie.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by DeputyDave
The question (maybe at the heart of the series) is whether Walt has turned evil enough to take that ultimate step; killing Jessie.
Walt thought the notion on sending Hank to Belize was completely off the table because Hank is family. Does Walt think of Jesse as family?
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

I think Jessie represents Walt's "good side" and hope of redemtion more than anyone in this show. I think killing Jessie will be a step he can never back away from.
Old 08-26-13 | 12:43 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

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I didn't see the clips for next week's episode. Perhaps the family "perished in the fire"?
The clips didn't really tell much. But even if there was a fire and someone died, why would the neighbor be afraid of Walt? Unless he lit the match.
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Walt is a survivalist. He isn't killing Hank because he doesn't have a case and last night he(Walt) almost won that battle.

Walt is an extreme rational person. He has a gun and he's ready to use it. What are his alternatives with Jesse? Jesse already told him that he knows that Walt has been manipulating him all the time. The only rational option for Walt now, is that Jesse can't be alive anymore.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

After the first 2 episodes, it was nice to see Jesse wake up and stop acting like a little bitch. I wonder what will keep him from lighting that house on fire?
Old 08-26-13 | 01:24 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

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I think Jessie represents Walt's "good side" and hope of redemtion more than anyone in this show. I think killing Jessie will be a step he can never back away from.
I really hope Walt doesn't get redeemed. He deserves to go down hard, no matter what his initial intentions were. I feel he's long passed any road to salvation or any kind of happy ending. Still, it's fun watching him weasel out of every fucking thing.

I also see Jesse as more of a son to him that he had much more in common with and, dare I say, likes more and wants to protect. I don't know about good side / bad side, but there's definitely a twisted father / son dynamic here which was why- before Jesse's revelation - I don't think Jesse would ever rat him out.

It's hard to get inside a TV characters head, but I'd love some sort of way of knowing how much of Walt's bullshit Walt actually believes. I'm thinking of the scene with Walt / Jesse / Saul in the desert. The whole line Walt was laying on him, it's a credit to Cranston that I really couldn't tell if he was concerned for Jesse or just himself. That hug at the end with Jesse weeping was creepy. It was like Walt was trying to be paternal, but Jesse straight up called him a murderer. Was that hug trying to tell Jesse, 'you're wrong about me son' or more 'my charms don't work on you anymore. goodbye.'?
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by Dan
So... who did it?
Marie
Old 08-26-13 | 01:53 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Not to nit-pick, but if Hank were this drug-lord mastermind would he really need Walt's money to pay his medical bills?
Old 08-26-13 | 01:58 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

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Not to nit-pick, but if Hank were this drug-lord mastermind would he really need Walt's money to pay his medical bills?
Made his assistant pay?
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by DeputyDave
Jessie has been thinking about this for a while. He knew Walt needed him to believe Gus took the ricin and poisoned Brock. He always suspected that Walt took the ricin and used it to make him believe it was Gus. Walt was the one that "found" the cigarette and now he sees how it was Walt took it from him in the first place. How hard is it to think that the plant poisoning was also from Walt? Seeing how the cigarette was taken was the final piece of the puzzle.
I recall it was Jesse, not Walt that found the cigarette within the floor cleaning gizmo.
Old 08-26-13 | 02:09 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

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I recall it was Jesse, not Walt that found the cigarette within the floor cleaning gizmo.
OK, you are right, but Walt was there and suggested they should check the Roomba. "I already looked there." Jessie said. Walt was thye one who insisted.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Even if Jesse was somehow able to vibe out and deduce that Walt probably took or had the ricin cigarette taken from Jesse and then beat the truth out of Saul to confirm it, the kid was still poisoned by something else. How does that act equal Walt poisoning Brock with Lily of the Valley?
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

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Made his assistant pay?
Not buying it. Sorry.
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Originally Posted by DeputyDave
The question (maybe at the heart of the series) is whether Walt has turned evil enough to take that ultimate step; killing Jessie.
Sadly, after last night's episode, there is no way Jesse survives the series. And, yes, I think Walt is very capable of killing him.

If the two of them meet face to face again, one of them is not going to survive the encounter.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

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Not to nit-pick, but if Hank were this drug-lord mastermind would he really need Walt's money to pay his medical bills?
That was the weakest part of the whole fake confession, even though it's ultimately the thing most damning for Hank. I guess the reasoning would be that Hank's expenditures would be scrutinized more considering his profession, but I feel like that just could have been passed off as the insurance covering it.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

What about the fact that Hank does not have millions of dollars? He hasn't made extravagant purchases or anything like that. It could be argued that he's hiding the money but there's no evidence against him there.
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He must have five storage lockers filled to the brim with cash or he's glued diamonds onto all of his minerals.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

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Even if Jesse was somehow able to vibe out and deduce that Walt probably took or had the ricin cigarette taken from Jesse and then beat the truth out of Saul to confirm it, the kid was still poisoned by something else. How does that act equal Walt poisoning Brock with Lily of the Valley?
The ricin needed to be "lost" and Brock needed to be poisoned for Jessie to turn on Gus. It is certainly not a leap for Jessie to think that Walt would poison Brock with something maybe a little less deadly that ricin that also mimicked the symptoms. And unless I am very sadly mistaken that is exactly what Walt did. At the very beginning of season 5.1 he is cleaning up his house and gets a scared look remembering at the last minute to throw away a specific plant.

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That was the weakest part of the whole fake confession, even though it's ultimately the thing most damning for Hank. I guess the reasoning would be that Hank's expenditures would be scrutinized more considering his profession, but I feel like that just could have been passed off as the insurance covering it.
I don't think it's unreasonable to imagine that in the middle of a drug war with your partner (Gus) in which you are shot and temporarily put out of business you lack the money he needed.
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It's not that Hank would "need" someone to pay his bills, but fronting that much cash on his salary is something that would probably be investigated. A man in his position would have to be way more careful than even Walt when it comes to these types of things. It could be seen as living beyond his means, and for a guy who deals in seizures of multi-million dollar drug cases, somebody would most certainly look into it to make sure he wasn't skimming a bit off the top, etc.

Him "making" Walt pay would just be something done to not draw attention to himself, and since the money would be from their shared profit, Hank would essentially be paying for it himself. Which is why I think Walter brought that up; nobody even questioned it (or even knew besides Marie), but now if the Government/DEA were to do their research, there it is. An unemployed former High School Chemistry teacher fronted $100k+ to pay Hanks bill. It's pretty damning evidence when cross-checked with what Walt is confessing to.

Anyways... I now kind of wonder if Walt's buried money and "winning" lottery ticket won't somehow end up in Hank's possession. I can't see Walt just pissing away $80 million to fuck his brother in law, but he could certainly take a good chunk of it and then tip the proper people off and make it look like it's Hank's stash. Ol' Schrader would have a hell of a time explaining how he has ~$20 million in cash buried in the desert.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by the big train
That was the weakest part of the whole fake confession, even though it's ultimately the thing most damning for Hank. I guess the reasoning would be that Hank's expenditures would be scrutinized more considering his profession, but I feel like that just could have been passed off as the insurance covering it.
Records would show that Insurance did not pay for it.
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Originally Posted by Jack Straw
Even if Jesse was somehow able to vibe out and deduce that Walt probably took or had the ricin cigarette taken from Jesse and then beat the truth out of Saul to confirm it, the kid was still poisoned by something else. How does that act equal Walt poisoning Brock with Lily of the Valley?
Jesse knows that Walt has been manipulating him, in all kind of ways, all this time. He realizes that Walt can do anything, even make Jesse feel that he was guilty of poisoning a kid by accident. Besides his girlfriend dying, that's the worst Jesse has felt, those hours thinking that he, Jesse, poisoned a kid by accident. Now he knows that Walt created everything, just to be able to kill Gus.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by DeputyDave
The ricin needed to be "lost" and Brock needed to be poisoned for Jessie to turn on Gus. It is certainly not a leap for Jessie to think that Walt would poison Brock with something maybe a little less deadly that ricin that also mimicked the symptoms. And unless I am very sadly mistaken that is exactly what Walt did. At the very beginning of season 5.1 he is cleaning up his house and gets a scared look remembering at the last minute to throw away a specific plant.

I don't think it's unreasonable to imagine that in the middle of a drug war with your partner (Gus) in which you are shot and temporarily put out of business you lack the money he needed.
This makes better sense, but that is a helluva lot for Jesse to piece together in such a short time. But thanks.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

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Records would show that Insurance did not pay for it.
Obviously, but it's more about appearances at the time. If he starts driving a $100,000 car, people would start asking questions. Nobody would think twice about insurance paying for his treatments (Hank didn't even question it). And if it gets to a point where he's being investigated, his poor brother-in-law paying out of pocket isn't really any kind of decent cover.
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I can buy Jessie figuring out the ricin cigarette was taken from him. But ricin had nothing to do with Brock's illness. So why is he going after Walt?


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