Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13
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The question (maybe at the heart of the series) is whether Walt has turned evil enough to take that ultimate step; killing Jessie.
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Walt thought the notion on sending Hank to Belize was completely off the table because Hank is family. Does Walt think of Jesse as family?
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I think Jessie represents Walt's "good side" and hope of redemtion more than anyone in this show. I think killing Jessie will be a step he can never back away from.
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Walt is a survivalist. He isn't killing Hank because he doesn't have a case and last night he(Walt) almost won that battle.
Walt is an extreme rational person. He has a gun and he's ready to use it. What are his alternatives with Jesse? Jesse already told him that he knows that Walt has been manipulating him all the time. The only rational option for Walt now, is that Jesse can't be alive anymore.
Walt is an extreme rational person. He has a gun and he's ready to use it. What are his alternatives with Jesse? Jesse already told him that he knows that Walt has been manipulating him all the time. The only rational option for Walt now, is that Jesse can't be alive anymore.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13
After the first 2 episodes, it was nice to see Jesse wake up and stop acting like a little bitch. I wonder what will keep him from lighting that house on fire?
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13
I also see Jesse as more of a son to him that he had much more in common with and, dare I say, likes more and wants to protect. I don't know about good side / bad side, but there's definitely a twisted father / son dynamic here which was why- before Jesse's revelation - I don't think Jesse would ever rat him out.
It's hard to get inside a TV characters head, but I'd love some sort of way of knowing how much of Walt's bullshit Walt actually believes. I'm thinking of the scene with Walt / Jesse / Saul in the desert. The whole line Walt was laying on him, it's a credit to Cranston that I really couldn't tell if he was concerned for Jesse or just himself. That hug at the end with Jesse weeping was creepy. It was like Walt was trying to be paternal, but Jesse straight up called him a murderer. Was that hug trying to tell Jesse, 'you're wrong about me son' or more 'my charms don't work on you anymore. goodbye.'?
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13
Not to nit-pick, but if Hank were this drug-lord mastermind would he really need Walt's money to pay his medical bills?
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13
Jessie has been thinking about this for a while. He knew Walt needed him to believe Gus took the ricin and poisoned Brock. He always suspected that Walt took the ricin and used it to make him believe it was Gus. Walt was the one that "found" the cigarette and now he sees how it was Walt took it from him in the first place. How hard is it to think that the plant poisoning was also from Walt? Seeing how the cigarette was taken was the final piece of the puzzle.
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Even if Jesse was somehow able to vibe out and deduce that Walt probably took or had the ricin cigarette taken from Jesse and then beat the truth out of Saul to confirm it, the kid was still poisoned by something else. How does that act equal Walt poisoning Brock with Lily of the Valley?
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If the two of them meet face to face again, one of them is not going to survive the encounter.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13
That was the weakest part of the whole fake confession, even though it's ultimately the thing most damning for Hank. I guess the reasoning would be that Hank's expenditures would be scrutinized more considering his profession, but I feel like that just could have been passed off as the insurance covering it.
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What about the fact that Hank does not have millions of dollars? He hasn't made extravagant purchases or anything like that. It could be argued that he's hiding the money but there's no evidence against him there.
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Even if Jesse was somehow able to vibe out and deduce that Walt probably took or had the ricin cigarette taken from Jesse and then beat the truth out of Saul to confirm it, the kid was still poisoned by something else. How does that act equal Walt poisoning Brock with Lily of the Valley?
That was the weakest part of the whole fake confession, even though it's ultimately the thing most damning for Hank. I guess the reasoning would be that Hank's expenditures would be scrutinized more considering his profession, but I feel like that just could have been passed off as the insurance covering it.
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It's not that Hank would "need" someone to pay his bills, but fronting that much cash on his salary is something that would probably be investigated. A man in his position would have to be way more careful than even Walt when it comes to these types of things. It could be seen as living beyond his means, and for a guy who deals in seizures of multi-million dollar drug cases, somebody would most certainly look into it to make sure he wasn't skimming a bit off the top, etc.
Him "making" Walt pay would just be something done to not draw attention to himself, and since the money would be from their shared profit, Hank would essentially be paying for it himself. Which is why I think Walter brought that up; nobody even questioned it (or even knew besides Marie), but now if the Government/DEA were to do their research, there it is. An unemployed former High School Chemistry teacher fronted $100k+ to pay Hanks bill. It's pretty damning evidence when cross-checked with what Walt is confessing to.
Anyways... I now kind of wonder if Walt's buried money and "winning" lottery ticket won't somehow end up in Hank's possession. I can't see Walt just pissing away $80 million to fuck his brother in law, but he could certainly take a good chunk of it and then tip the proper people off and make it look like it's Hank's stash. Ol' Schrader would have a hell of a time explaining how he has ~$20 million in cash buried in the desert.
Him "making" Walt pay would just be something done to not draw attention to himself, and since the money would be from their shared profit, Hank would essentially be paying for it himself. Which is why I think Walter brought that up; nobody even questioned it (or even knew besides Marie), but now if the Government/DEA were to do their research, there it is. An unemployed former High School Chemistry teacher fronted $100k+ to pay Hanks bill. It's pretty damning evidence when cross-checked with what Walt is confessing to.
Anyways... I now kind of wonder if Walt's buried money and "winning" lottery ticket won't somehow end up in Hank's possession. I can't see Walt just pissing away $80 million to fuck his brother in law, but he could certainly take a good chunk of it and then tip the proper people off and make it look like it's Hank's stash. Ol' Schrader would have a hell of a time explaining how he has ~$20 million in cash buried in the desert.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13
That was the weakest part of the whole fake confession, even though it's ultimately the thing most damning for Hank. I guess the reasoning would be that Hank's expenditures would be scrutinized more considering his profession, but I feel like that just could have been passed off as the insurance covering it.
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Even if Jesse was somehow able to vibe out and deduce that Walt probably took or had the ricin cigarette taken from Jesse and then beat the truth out of Saul to confirm it, the kid was still poisoned by something else. How does that act equal Walt poisoning Brock with Lily of the Valley?
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13
The ricin needed to be "lost" and Brock needed to be poisoned for Jessie to turn on Gus. It is certainly not a leap for Jessie to think that Walt would poison Brock with something maybe a little less deadly that ricin that also mimicked the symptoms. And unless I am very sadly mistaken that is exactly what Walt did. At the very beginning of season 5.1 he is cleaning up his house and gets a scared look remembering at the last minute to throw away a specific plant.
I don't think it's unreasonable to imagine that in the middle of a drug war with your partner (Gus) in which you are shot and temporarily put out of business you lack the money he needed.
I don't think it's unreasonable to imagine that in the middle of a drug war with your partner (Gus) in which you are shot and temporarily put out of business you lack the money he needed.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13
Obviously, but it's more about appearances at the time. If he starts driving a $100,000 car, people would start asking questions. Nobody would think twice about insurance paying for his treatments (Hank didn't even question it). And if it gets to a point where he's being investigated, his poor brother-in-law paying out of pocket isn't really any kind of decent cover.
#150
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13
I can buy Jessie figuring out the ricin cigarette was taken from him. But ricin had nothing to do with Brock's illness. So why is he going after Walt?



