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Old 08-26-13 | 02:39 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Yeah I didn't feel it was a leap for him to figure it out due to that. In the storyline, the ricin incident happened in the recent past, not 2 years ago where he forgets the details of the incident. He's been thinking of the effect that this whole life has had on everyone around him. That guilt, with the kid who got killed, throwing the money away, all that stuff is weighing on him.

He's bumped into Huell a few times since the incident, including last episode. He had already made the conclusion when he pointed the gun at Walt. Now he knows exactly how calculating Walt can be (with the conversation in the desert, his suspicions about Mike), and he once again nudges against Huell on the way to the location.

It wasn't multiple pieces being put together. One giant piece fell into place with that discovery.


However it still doesn't really explain the "evidence" like others said that

a.) The the Ricin was already 'recovered'

b.) Brock was poisoned by Lily of the Valley.

As for the ricin recovery: He was convinced that the cigarette was missing and indeed it was. Then you can think about how he conveniently found it in the presence of Walter, and he might conclude that this was Walter again manipulating him.

The plant...yeah I dunno. But figuring out that the ricin was stolen and re-planted, that's believable that he figured it out.
Old 08-26-13 | 03:16 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by Jimmy James
Due to some gas on the carpet? We saw nothing to suggest it was a fire.
Yes. Exactly why.
Old 08-26-13 | 04:20 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Sorry. I'm not believing the house was fenced off for a fire either. Remember his neighbor was horrified to see him again. Something bigger than a fire goes down in that house.
Old 08-26-13 | 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy James
Due to some gas on the carpet? We saw nothing to suggest it was a fire.
"Some" gas? He had gallons of it. I would think the fumes from that much gasoline in an enclosed area would be toxic. And I can easily see Jesse spray painting "Hesienberg" on the wall.
Old 08-26-13 | 05:44 AM
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Old 08-26-13 | 06:24 AM
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Exactly. I didn't feel it was a stretch. Jesse is gullible and very fragile, but I don't know where stupid comes in. Because he got involved with Walt and does drugs?
They spent the first part of season 5a showing us just how smart Jesse was and how much he'd grown. I don't think it's a stretch that he could put it together, e knows Walt is full of shit so while I'm sure he didn't figure the whole thing out on the spot it was just another incident of Walt manipulating him and in his current state flew off the handle.
Old 08-26-13 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Double_Oh_7
"Some" gas? He had gallons of it. I would think the fumes from that much gasoline in an enclosed area would be toxic. And I can easily see Jesse spray painting "Hesienberg" on the wall.
The previews for next week shows scenes from inside the house. It definitely is not abandoned at this point.
Old 08-26-13 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BuckNaked2k
I love the show, and the writing has been masterful, but this instantaneous deduction by a drug-addled, slow-witted emo has to be the biggest leap of credulity the viewer has yet been asked to make.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. WAY too big a leap too fast. Also I was really disappointed how fast Saul gave it up. What about the attorney-client privilege?! Ethics, Saul!

The "confession" video was pure evil genius. Absolutely brilliant.
Old 08-26-13 | 08:37 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

It seems people forgot Jesse and Walt scene in this SAME episode. Jesse knows that Walt has been manipulating him for a long time. He's probably one of the persons that knows Walt the best. Jesse knows that Walt is capable of anything.

Originally Posted by Kal Varnsen
For the people complaining about Jesse figuring out about the ricin, rewatch the scene in End Times S4 E12 when Jesse almost shoots Walt. Jesse first instinct is that Walt had Saul and Huell lift the ricin cigarette from him. Since he mistrusts Walt so much now, I don't think its a huge jump to have him know Walt did it.
He has become an expert in reading Walt, some things that other people won't notice. Like when they killed the kid. Walt gave an "emotional" speech to Jesse and then went back to happily working.

Originally Posted by fumanstan
To be fair, Jesse never seemed completely sold on moving on to the new life and it seemed clear he's spent the last few days or weeks thinking completely about events from the past.
This. This scene may work best in a marathon viewing, where you can see that Jesse has been like this since Season 4! That's like the past couple of months in Breaking Bad life.
Old 08-26-13 | 08:50 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by Raul3
This scene may work best in a marathon viewing, where you can see that Jesse has been like this since Season 4! That's like the past couple of months in Breaking Bad life.
Exactly! Season four is when he really started to show how smart he could be. Yeah, he's still the same drug-addled emo whatever guy, but he's not totally clueless.
Old 08-26-13 | 08:54 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

So, big question time!

Who writes "Heisenberg" on the wall?
Jesse, in his rampage that began at the end of this episode?
Walt, at gunpoint (Jesse holding the gun, of course)?
Walt Jr., after a hearty meal?
Todd, after cooking meth in Walt's house?
Hank, after buying Marie a purple car?

So... who did it?
Old 08-26-13 | 08:58 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

I'm guessing Walt does it himself...right before fleeing town w/ a new identity.

Everything around him will be gone or in ruins - relates to the Ozymandias poem read by Cranston in the pre-season teaser.
Old 08-26-13 | 09:02 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by Dan
Exactly! Season four is when he really started to show how smart he could be. Yeah, he's still the same drug-addled emo whatever guy, but he's not totally clueless.
You may be right, and some of the disbelief (including mine) at Jesse's instant Monk-like realization may just be the natural result of so many big time gaps between seasons (and half seasons).
Old 08-26-13 | 09:22 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Not only was the cigarette found with Walter there, Walter was the one who pointed out where to check.
Old 08-26-13 | 09:23 AM
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Considering it has at most been only a few months since the poisoning of Brock took place and how smart Jessie has turned out to be I think is completely reasonable for him to have made those leaps of logic, especially with how much he had been obsessing over it. "Losing" the ricin wasn't just some random event in his life it was one of pivotal moments. When the ricin was originally taken he guessed it had "somehow" happened at Saul's office during the confrontation with Walt. When they took the baggie of pot off of him he realized his first guess had been correct. Since Walt and he were the only people who knew about it then Walt must have been the one who told Saul to do it. Then, considering the loss of the ricin and poisoning of Brock were what made him ultimately turn on Gus, it follows as being just one more way Mr. White played and manipulated Jessie.

I loved the opening scene in the diner. This scene showed so much. It showed with the trailer just how much methylamine is left. Considering how much Walt cooked himself (his end was at least 80 or 90 million) and how much was cooked after he left the operation they still needed a trailer to move it. They showed that they were going to set up shop in New Mexico. More importantly the story about the train robbery revealed or emphasized a few things. It brought home exactly how meticulous and ruthless Walt is and more importantly what a genius plan that Jessie concocted and how smart he really was. Both things we knew but came into play importantly this episode.

Also it showed us a bit about Todd. I think he is universally hated by fans but I think he is much smarter, quick witted, and observant than we give him credit for. His killing of the kid showed us some of that. In the light of a hugely important criminal enterprise (the largest in history his story revealed) it was the right thing to do and needed to be done quickly. None of the others would have (Walt might have eventually come to this opinion but long after the kid rode away).Also how he calmly continued with all of his tasks to guarantee the theft would go undetected, even while the train was moving. Being able to cook at least decent quality meth Walt's chemistry way (not the terribly inefficient and dangerous way usually employed) after only a few lessons with no former chemistry experience (unlike Gale). And although telling a great story about an exciting train robbery being aware enough not to use Jessie's real name or mention the dead boy.
Old 08-26-13 | 10:03 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

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Considering it has at most been only a few months since the poisoning of Brock took place and how smart Jessie has turned out to be I think is completely reasonable for him to have made those leaps of logic, especially with how much he had been obsessing over it. "Losing" the ricin wasn't just some random event in his life it was one of pivotal moments. When the ricin was originally taken he guessed it had "somehow" happened at Saul's office during the confrontation with Walt. When they took the baggie of pot off of him he realized his first guess had been correct. Since Walt and he were the only people who knew about it then Walt must have been the one who told Saul to do it. Then, considering the loss of the ricin and poisoning of Brock were what made him ultimately turn on Gus, it follows as being just one more way Mr. White played and manipulated Jessie.
But it was the doctor that told Jessie it was Lilly of the Valley and not ricin, so the idea that it came from ricin should've been totally wiped from his mind back then, as it was made obvious to him, before he even talked to Walt, that Brock came into contact with that plant while out playing or something.
Old 08-26-13 | 10:21 AM
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But it was the doctor that told Jessie it was Lilly of the Valley and not ricin, so the idea that it came from ricin should've been totally wiped from his mind back then, as it was made obvious to him, before he even talked to Walt, that Brock came into contact with that plant while out playing or something.
Jessie has been thinking about this for a while. He knew Walt needed him to believe Gus took the ricin and poisoned Brock. He always suspected that Walt took the ricin and used it to make him believe it was Gus. Walt was the one that "found" the cigarette and now he sees how it was Walt took it from him in the first place. How hard is it to think that the plant poisoning was also from Walt? Seeing how the cigarette was taken was the final piece of the puzzle.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Well, we know from the Denny's flashforward that Walt becomes Mr. Lambert. But did Jesse burn that bridge? Saul seemed that once he made that call, there was no turning back, yet Jesse did turn back. Can Saul make that call a second time?
Old 08-26-13 | 10:32 AM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by Goat3001
The scene in the restaurant was great. That waiter reminded me of the waiter from Office Space. That was some pretty funny stuff mixed in with a really heated scene.
Episode title should have been "Tableside Guac".
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Having just marathoned all previous episodes I had no issue with Jesse's revelation.

I am not so sure of the "confession" though. The DEA agents would not really suspect Hank, and the "Leaves of Grass" is a gigantic piece of evidence. I don;t think it would be difficult to turn the confession around to be a tacit admission by Walt.

However, it is an uber cool development.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by nickdawgy
Sorry.Remember his neighbor was horrified to see him again. Something bigger than a fire goes down in that house.
I didn't see the clips for next week's episode. Perhaps the family "perished in the fire"?
Old 08-26-13 | 12:22 PM
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

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Having just marathoned all previous episodes I had no issue with Jesse's revelation.

I am not so sure of the "confession" though. The DEA agents would not really suspect Hank, and the "Leaves of Grass" is a gigantic piece of evidence. I don;t think it would be difficult to turn the confession around to be a tacit admission by Walt.

However, it is an uber cool development.
the 'WW' Leaves of Grass evidence wouldn't matter to Walt anymore. He's admitting to being the cook (so, sure, could claim his assistant writing that in the book), but throwing Hank under the bus as being the mastermind behind all of it.
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Originally Posted by johnnysd
Having just marathoned all previous episodes I had no issue with Jesse's revelation.

I am not so sure of the "confession" though. The DEA agents would not really suspect Hank, and the "Leaves of Grass" is a gigantic piece of evidence. I don;t think it would be difficult to turn the confession around to be a tacit admission by Walt.

However, it is an uber cool development.
There is nothing to link the book to Walt other than the initials W.W. and Hank's word he stole it out of Walt's bathroom. Regardless it could never be used as evidence. I think there are quite a few things to cloud the truth when it comes to Hank. Following Gus on his own (bringing Walt along), attacking Jessie, the "hit" on him in the parking lot, Walt paying for treatment, following Mike against orders, using DEA resources without warrant or reason... and let's not forget the big issue: their personalities. Who outside of the inner family would ever suspect that a milquetoast like Walt could ever trick or manipulate Hank., that Hank wasn't always in charge.
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Originally Posted by uteotw
You may be right, and some of the disbelief (including mine) at Jesse's instant Monk-like realization may just be the natural result of so many big time gaps between seasons (and half seasons).
Jesse gained a lot of confidence and smarts working with Mike. You can definitely see it in the way he acts last season when they are figuring out how to setup the meth lab.

After Mike's death, he really began to see Walt's master ability to manipulate people and he totally called him on it when Walt was playing the concerned dad card in the desert. I think he is now able to see Walt as capable of doing something so shitty as to harm a child.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Confessions" -- 8/25/13

Originally Posted by johnnysd
the "Leaves of Grass" is a gigantic piece of evidence.
That book proves nothing, except the fact that W.W. and Gale knew each other. If Walt already confessed to working in Fring's super-lab, the book contradicts nothing.

Hank's only move is to get Jesse to turn. And I'm not expecting Jesse to survive much longer. Especially if Walt tells Todd that Jesse is talking to the DEA.


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