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Old 11-15-11 | 12:59 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Chupacabra" -- 11/13/11

Originally Posted by Nausicaa
I want more conversation about the outbreak, what happened, and what the survivors are planning to do to get out of all this alive.
The audience and the characters have approximately the same amount of information, so let's pretend you're one of the crew... Go. Tell us what you plan to do to get out of this alive.

As far as I know, they tried the CDC. Now they're trying to get to a fortified military base in the hopes there's civilization there. I believe they're going to Fort Benning, which is also in Georgia (where they are currently).

As far as what happened, they have no clue as they weren't the people involved. And they have no way of finding or contacting the people involved.

This is it. As far as you know, one day you're living, the next people start turning. Your life as you know it is over and it becomes about basic survival. You band together with other survivors and try to #1, get away from the things trying to eat you, and #2, find more survivors who possibly have more supplies and fortification against the infected. If I knew of an island that could support a population just based on things that grow there, I'd go there. I don't know if Zombies can swim across an ocean, but I wouldn't think so.

It sure would be nice to know how long a Zombie can live without eating. Otherwise, I'd just hit my island, wait them out, then go back (with occasional jaunts for supplies if necessary).

I'd also have a flame thrower. Arrows are nice, but flame throwers rock, and they don't make anywhere near the noise a bullet does. In a horde of hundreds of zombies, having a gun gets old quickly, but having a flame thrower? As long as I have fuel, bring it on. Of course that would upset the balance of power and lessen the sense of doom and desperation, so it's not a good artistic choice for the show.
Old 11-15-11 | 01:34 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Chupacabra" -- 11/13/11

A flame thrower might look like a good option at first glance, but fire takes a while to completely destroy something. That means at least for a short while you will have to contend with zombies moving around that are on fire. These flaming zombies could easily injure you or set something else of yours on fire (your vehicle, supplies, your shelter, etc.). I think the risks of a flame thrower are too great.
Old 11-15-11 | 01:36 PM
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I wouldn't say them being on the farm for so long is evidence of a smaller budget, since that was a big part of the comics. I'd say them reducing the farm's original cast by about 90% is a sign of that though.
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I would like that quite a bit. I actually don't have a problem with how long they are spending looking for the girl. The boy is still recovering, and they have a base right now in the farm. Might as well go out and look for the person who is missing from your party, but there does come a point where they need to let go, whether she's found or not.
Yeah, I can see why people are tired of our heroes looking for the girl, but it doesn't bother me at all. I think one thing that hurts her is she's a minor character, and not Carl, so she didn't have any real importance to the plot before she went missing, and now has turned into this great important driving element on this season. That said, I get why they keep looking. Rick feels responsible, and Daryl has taken finding the girl to be his personal mission. I'm enjoying this season a great deal.

Andrea is hella unlikeable right now, though. I wish someone would have leaned in on her for her colossal fuckup.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Chupacabra" -- 11/13/11

Originally Posted by MikahC
The audience and the characters have approximately the same amount of information, so let's pretend you're one of the crew... Go. Tell us what you plan to do to get out of this alive.

As far as I know, they tried the CDC. Now they're trying to get to a fortified military base in the hopes there's civilization there. I believe they're going to Fort Benning, which is also in Georgia (where they are currently).

As far as what happened, they have no clue as they weren't the people involved. And they have no way of finding or contacting the people involved.

This is it. As far as you know, one day you're living, the next people start turning. Your life as you know it is over and it becomes about basic survival. You band together with other survivors and try to #1, get away from the things trying to eat you, and #2, find more survivors who possibly have more supplies and fortification against the infected. If I knew of an island that could support a population just based on things that grow there, I'd go there. I don't know if Zombies can swim across an ocean, but I wouldn't think so.

It sure would be nice to know how long a Zombie can live without eating. Otherwise, I'd just hit my island, wait them out, then go back (with occasional jaunts for supplies if necessary).

I'd also have a flame thrower. Arrows are nice, but flame throwers rock, and they don't make anywhere near the noise a bullet does. In a horde of hundreds of zombies, having a gun gets old quickly, but having a flame thrower? As long as I have fuel, bring it on. Of course that would upset the balance of power and lessen the sense of doom and desperation, so it's not a good artistic choice for the show.
Yes, but a flamethrower will also create a walking-fire-wall-of-death as they burn and keep on going towards you. They don't feel pain, they don't fear fire... plus, any building you hide in will now be on fire as they pound on the doors.
Old 11-15-11 | 01:40 PM
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All I know is that the moment they kill off Daryl, is the moment I stop watching this show.
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Originally Posted by KillerCannibal
I'd say I've mostly enjoyed this season so far. You know why? Because I don't think about it that fucking much.

Words to live by with this show. The zombie genre takes this stuff so seriously.

Lost all over again from an over-analytical standpoint.
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Originally Posted by TallGuyMe
All I know is that the moment they kill off Daryl, is the moment I stop watching this show.
Liar. But point taken.
Old 11-15-11 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by achau9598
I still would place my bet on
Spoiler:
she is with the real Merle
...And he's just endlessly raping her.
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While I'm loving this season, and am aware of this storyline from the comics, I am finding it harder to accept the zombies in the barn storyline in live action. The zombies have been shown to be pretty loud, and the crew has been making a lot of commotion on the farm. I guess I just would have liked for the barn to be further away from things.

Small nitpick.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Chupacabra" -- 11/13/11

Originally Posted by boredsilly
While I'm loving this season, and am aware of this storyline from the comics, I am finding it harder to accept the zombies in the barn storyline in live action. The zombies have been shown to be pretty loud, and the crew has been making a lot of commotion on the farm. I guess I just would have liked for the barn to be further away from things.

Small nitpick.
Then why don't you stop watching the show you complainer!!!!! Stay out of these threads!!!


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Originally Posted by clckworang
I think someone in one of the threads might have expressed doubts about the arrows being able to pierce a zombie's skull.
Aahh. Well that's something I can let slide - even if it's not very realistic. I just assume the zombies are rotting and their bodies/bones are weaker - making it easier to penetrate them with bullets, arrows, etc.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Chupacabra" -- 11/13/11

Yeah, I thought the barn zombies were pretty ridiculous. I mean, maybe if the barn was not near the house and was back on the property where nobody was. But, it was right out front (from what I remember) and it looked like they went by it at several points during the show. I also agree that they are making Andrea a completely unlikable character. Darryl is the best part of this show, right now.
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I believe in the zombie apocalypse more than I believe a person as stupid as Andrea can survive to adulthood.
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Originally Posted by boredsilly
While I'm loving this season, and am aware of this storyline from the comics, I am finding it harder to accept the zombies in the barn storyline in live action. The zombies have been shown to be pretty loud, and the crew has been making a lot of commotion on the farm. I guess I just would have liked for the barn to be further away from things.

Small nitpick.
Totally agree and I don't think it's a small nitpick. The barn did need to be farther away for this kind of setup. I had the same reaction that there's no way they didn't get a hint there were zombies. It's like having zombies stored in the backyard garage.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Chupacabra" -- 11/13/11

Originally Posted by Osiris3657
There hasn't been any sort of confirmation that Merle is dead, right? Seems to be a TV rule that if someone is having visions of another person, that person is deceased.
I suppose you could take that angle ... but Merle is dead, as are Morgan and Duane (the guy and his son from the first season). Do I have any proof of this? No, but it is more logical than the traditional "closed universe" TV model (meaning nothing happens unless viewers see it).

Merle hacked his hand off (bled to death) to flee an imminent hoard of zombies (hors d'oeuvres) on the rooftop several stories up (jumped to his death). The only people who believe he is still alive are the same people who are convinced Thelma and Louise made it to the other side.

As for Morgan and Duane ... they placed significant emphasis on remaining quiet in the house. They placed significant emphasis on not leaving the kid alone downstairs ... then Morgan leaves Duane downstairs and starts popping off shots from the book repository. Sounds like a recipe for being DEAD.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Chupacabra" -- 11/13/11

Originally Posted by mike1977
The barn scene

That zombie in the lower bottom left holding both hands open reaching for Glenn...Sophia? (I remember Hershel shaking his head slowly at Maggie like "don't say a word" when it was mentioned Carol should know the truth if Sophia had to be dealt with being bit).
Interesting theory ... I may have to go back and look for that.

Originally Posted by aktick
First thing I thought of was that they were probably friends/family, and they somehow got them in there and locked it up hoping for a cure.
There have been quite a few interesting reactions from the "farm crew." Maggie had an odd reaction when they attempted to pull the walker out of the well. At that point I thought it seemed like she knew the person.

I had the same thought about the zombies in the barn, but there were too many to be friends and family. I think some may be, but most were simply captured (Rick made a comment about Hershel wanting to deal with the walkers). Of course, we don't have any real sense of how many people are/were on the farm ...
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Chupacabra" -- 11/13/11

Originally Posted by MLBFan24
Does this show take place in real time because it's taking a looong time to wrap up storylines.

24 wrapped up story arcs faster than this show...haha
I think it was at the beginning of this week's episode ... at some point they commented that it is just the third day that Sophia has been lost.

The pendulum has swung too far ... my main criticism of season 1 is how fast it moved from setting to setting -- we had no real sense of time and it seemed as if potential story lines were flushed away within minutes. Now they are developing a stationary story line at an excruciatingly slow pace.

At least there was some pay-off and great set-up to this episode.
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Originally Posted by mnementh
No comments about the napalm scene? I want to watch more flashbacks and find out what happened to the military.

Amen! Great flashback ... we want more!

One thing that baffled me though ... everybody fled the city in such a hurry that it caused a bottleneck and brought everybody to a dead stop (pardon the pun) ... and they called it "good enough" and sat there?
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Originally Posted by Coral
I don't think Sophia is lost... she couldn't handle the writing and just took off.
Classic.
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Originally Posted by Navinabob
Yes, but a flamethrower will also create a walking-fire-wall-of-death as they burn and keep on going towards you. They don't feel pain, they don't fear fire... plus, any building you hide in will now be on fire as they pound on the doors.
Yep. The key is fire that is hot enough to take them out almost instantly and leave nothing but a black smudge on the ground.
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Originally Posted by clckworang
I think someone in one of the threads might have expressed doubts about the arrows being able to pierce a zombie's skull.
Then they've never used a crossbow. Where I come from people hunt deer with them all the time. A crossbow bolt would have no trouble going through a human skull, which isn't as hard as people think.

Originally Posted by Abob Teff
Merle hacked his hand off (bled to death) to flee an imminent hoard of zombies (hors d'oeuvres) on the rooftop several stories up (jumped to his death). The only people who believe he is still alive are the same people who are convinced Thelma and Louise made it to the other side.
I think it's more likely he was smart enough to use his belt as a tourniquet and then climb down the fire escape.

I agree about the barn, though. Not only would someone have heard the noise, someone would have noticed all the big, shiny padlocks on all the doors.
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As for Morgan and Duane ... they placed significant emphasis on remaining quiet in the house. They placed significant emphasis on not leaving the kid alone downstairs ... then Morgan leaves Duane downstairs and starts popping off shots from the book repository. Sounds like a recipe for being DEAD.
Where are you getting this assumption that Morgan and his son is dead?

I read an article last year and Kirkman said.

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They plan to bring back Lennie James at some point.

I know James is working on a TV series in the UK, so he probably wouldn't come back until season 3 at the earliest.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Chupacabra" -- 11/13/11

Originally Posted by Nausicaa
I'm enjoying the show and thought this was one of the better episodes. I do still agree the dialogue needs work though. Too much focus on whatever petty conflict is the basis of an episode and not enough focus on an overarching narrative. I want more conversation about the outbreak, what happened, and what the survivors are planning to do to get out of all this alive.
While I agree with your thoughts (I would like to know what they think happened), I have to point out a fundamental flaw in your question (and most zombie movies). There is no "getting out of it." The end of humanity at the hands of a zombie infestation is that world. There is only moving forward and trying to rebuild. It isn't a momentary crisis that will pass.
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Originally Posted by DJariya
Where are you getting this assumption that Morgan and his son is dead?

I read an article last year and Kirkman said.

Spoiler:
They plan to bring back Lennie James at some point.

I know James is working on a TV series in the UK, so he probably wouldn't come back until season 3 at the earliest.
Just an assumption on my part. I would find it hard to believe they survived based on the parameters of the show (although I hope they did; they were better characters than some still around).

I don't follow what writers, actors, crew members, or even the creators of shows say in interviews. Too many real world variables.


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