Well how much notice did you need. Like Simon said in the interview if you want something spelled out for you this is not the show for you. You don't need major signs to know Creighton was suicidal because a lot of it was coming from inside. Also anger and frustration in addition to his depression all led to his suicide.

You SHOULD go back and rewatch the show if it something you want to pick up on. I know I will once this comes out on DVD.

If you aren't talking about the main characters or secondary characters then what else is there. Everyone else they interact with along the way either is a main character or secondary character. Again .

Yeah you're right I've only watched every episode of this first season and some episodes twice and I can see the horrible acting all over the place.

I don't need things spelled out for me. Nor do I need to rewatch the show. I didn't miss anything. Again, I get what he's saying about his vision of the character, but in my viewing eyes it didn't make any sense for the character even if only because of his family interactions. The show made him into a pussy that took the easy way out and was essentially a giant pathetic baby. If that was his intent, then again, congratualtions to him. I guess I just wanted more from that character and am disappointed that was their direction.

While it doesn't really bother me, some of the musicians are clearly not great actors. And I wouldn't call them main or secondary, more like recurring or minor.

But I think the authentic New Orleans feel they bring outweighs their lack of acting ability. And they aren't so prevalent that they totally distract me. If they were the main characters, it would bother me.

I think he's talking about, for example, the spectators at Annie and Sonny's street shows, or Chreighton's students, etc.

However, I thought all the musicians did a fine job, and I don't think some of the shoddy acting from what are probably local residents detracted from the show at all.

I quite enjoy it overall, with the exception of Chreighton's suicide which felt very unnatural for his character. I really, really like the way music is incorporated into the show and how it is so central to so many of the characters' lives.

Suicides happen every day that leave people wondering what the hell just happened. There wasn't a false note in the Creighton storyline.

And in real life we're not an omniscient participant in the person's life like you are often in a movie/book/show. This is a story being told, and there was a huge leap in that storytelling IMO.

You think Treme is written in a style that allows the audience to be omniscient about the characters? I certainly don't.

Yeah, what?

I don't think the Treme writers plan the show out so we know exactly what every character is thinking and feeling. There's nothing wrong with not knowing exactly why he committed suicide, or exactly what he was thinking right up until that point. His wife nor his child know, it's a mystery in the same way it's not.

Those sentences were two separate thoughts. I was saying in most media you are, not saying we do in this particular show. (Although honestly I'm hard pressed to think of any other character's actions or motivations that are left to question, which is why this sticks out to me so badly.) However, that aside, I fully believe there is a huge gap in the depression depicted, yes. If you're willing to accept it and make the connection in your mind then that works for you. I see it as nonsensical. Doesn't mean I don't understand it, or missed something, it just means I'm disappointed with it. I can recognize the progression, I just think it was handled poorly.

Finally getting caught up on this show and I watched this episode. Creighton's suicide was absolutely heartbreaking, but anybody who couldn't see it coming within an episode or two of the visit from his agent just wasn't paying attention. We got episode after episode of him sinking deeper and deeper into depression. The long, fruitless nights at the word processor, that last, passionless YouTube video -- hell, the man left Mardi Gras to go sit alone on his couch. I spent the last two or three episodes silently begging David Simon to somehow bring him back from the edge.

And now I'm watching the last episode and watching Toni and Sofia deal with the fallout from this and it's breaking my heart all over again.

ETA: Just checked the chronology. The agent showed up in episode 6. Episode 7 was where it started to go off the rails for Creighton. Episode 8 was Mardi Gras. Then this was episode 9. There's so much packed into these episodes, it's hard to believe that that Creighton went from the top to the bottom in only three episodes.

A-yep.

Exactly. The turn-around for Creighton happened much too quickly and it wasn't realistic that he would resort to suicide already. There were others who stated that Creighton was showing signs of depression all season long - but that's not the case. The build-up should have started much earlier in the season - but I guess they couldn't fit it in between the many pointless scenes of music being played.

If it wasn't for the fact that John Goodman's name doesn't appear on the opening credits - I wouldn't have suspected his character was temporary on the show.

Yeah...that was also a problem all season long. Honestly I thought they were going to have him have some kind of health issue up untill the Mardi Gras episode. Then I was worried they were going to go the route they did. Bummer.

Don't misunderstand me. The turn-around may have happened quickly -- though as dense as this show was, I don't think it did. But it didn't happen too quickly. I thought the descent into suicidal depression was, sadly, very realistic.

And the scenes of music being played were anything but pointless.

"Accentuate the Positive"


David Morse is bumped up to series regular this year and Jon Seda joins the cast.

I just started watching this on HBO Go. It will probably be a few weeks before I get caught up.

I also read that Anthony Bourdain (the Travel Channel host) joined the writing staff this season. He's supposedly writing the restaurant sequences and dialogue.

I'll give it a couple episodes before deciding if the show is worth continuing.

They wasted way too much time last season on atmosphere and music and didn't give enough story. They could've trimmed the first season down to 6 or 7 episodes and it still wouldn't have felt rushed.

So great to have this back. I absolutely loved the first season.

Different strokes for different folks, but I loved the atmosphere and music. Good TV is not a race -- you could probably tell me the story of Six Feet Under in a few hours, but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy spending considerably longer with those characters.

Looking forward to it.

Sunday nights are REALLY kick ass with Thrones, The Borgias, The Killing, and now Treme too.

Woohoo. I really enjoyed last season, the pace was nice and relaxing

Wow I didn't even know this was starting up. Two great shows to watch tonight on HBO.

Trailer for season 2:

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