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Old 06-20-10 | 10:51 PM
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Re: Treme *Season Finale* - "I'll Fly Away" - 6/20/10

Originally Posted by bootsy
What an episode. This was a great finale. Left some things opened and closed some things. I still want to know what happened with Daymo. I guess we may never know.
I think it was pretty obvious that he was murdered by his cell mate. That was why Toni was so adamant about getting a second autopsy.

I wonder if Albert will ever get in trouble for beating that kid to death in episode 2.
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I think it was pretty obvious that he was murdered by his cell mate. That was why Toni was so adamant about getting a second autopsy.

I wonder if Albert will ever get in trouble for beating that kid to death in episode 2.
I don't know if they will revisit Albert beating that kid to death or not. Did anyone get the sense like they didn't know they would be renewed for a 2nd season. This seemed like the series was over the way it ended. I know it isn't but it just had that feel to it.

I guess Daymo was murdered but I wouldn't say it is pretty obvious.
Old 06-21-10 | 12:01 AM
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Re: Treme *Season Finale* - "I'll Fly Away" - 6/20/10

Antoine arguing with the cab driver at the end was great

Khandi Alexander was great in this episode
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As weak as I found the series, the finale was absolutely brilliant.


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Antoine arguing with the cab driver at the end was great
I was wondering where we knew him from? That's funny.
Old 06-21-10 | 06:51 AM
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Re: Treme *Season Finale* - "I'll Fly Away" - 6/20/10

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I don't know if they will revisit Albert beating that kid to death or not.
Did we ever find out that the kid died? I remember them saying that he might die, but I'm blanking on news of his death.
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Great finale. I was surprised by the flashback sequence at first but loved it. Looking forward to next season and seeing where the stories go.
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Did we ever find out that the kid died? I remember them saying that he might die, but I'm blanking on news of his death.
Well I rewatched that scene and it isn't 100% sure but Albert beat that kid so bad that he didn't move afterward so the assumption is he died.
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Re: Treme *Season Finale* - "I'll Fly Away" - 6/20/10

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Well I rewatched that scene and it isn't 100% sure but Albert beat that kid so bad that he didn't move afterward so the assumption is he died.
But then later someone mentioned some kid being in the hospital, and Albert said something like "Sounds like he did something he shouldn't have."
Old 06-22-10 | 02:20 AM
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Re: Treme *Season Finale* - "I'll Fly Away" - 6/20/10

Yeah the kid is definitely not dead.
I don't think Albert is the kind of guy who would kill someone and then act like nothing happened.
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I never thought for a second he killed the kid. I'm sure that would have been a major storyline had he killed someone.
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Re: Treme -- "Wish Someone Would Care" -- 6/13/10

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He just didn't come off as suicidal, depressed yes, but not to the extent that he would choose to kill himself over his wife and child.
Yep. It was pretty goddamn lame way for them to off the character IMO.

I'm not sure I'll even be back for the show next season. This just doesn't have any kind of hook for me, and half of the "actors" on the show seem to be chosen for their musical ability or relation to New Orleans in real life and as such come off as horrible performances.
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It might also have something to do with the fact that Goodman really was the best thing about the series.
Agreed. And also that it made no sense for the character IMO.

Also, I thought the police interference during the St. Joseph's "parade" was horribly done. So um...all those cop cars just swarm on the scene, including the guy that then had to come out and tell everyone to back down? Why did he even let it get to that point?

In the end this show just kind of went nowhere for me. I can get into personal dramas, but the writing of the last few episodes just seemed sloppy and irritating.
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Agreed. And also that it made no sense for the character IMO.
As sad as it is, his suicide made perfect sense to me. I saw this type of thing first hand after the tsunami. People that survive these types of disasters react in many different ways. Some people are able to cope, but some of them turn to drugs/alcohol, some suicide. It's a combination of the things they saw, the people they lost, and the feeling that you don't deserve to live when all of these other people have died.
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I liked everything about the show except for the Indian storyline...that was a complete miss for me as I just couldn't "get it", which was weird because Lester Freeman is my hero.
Old 06-22-10 | 09:32 AM
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Re: Treme *Season Finale* - "I'll Fly Away" - 6/20/10

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As sad as it is, his suicide made perfect sense to me. I saw this type of thing first hand after the tsunami. People that survive these types of disasters react in many different ways. Some people are able to cope, but some of them turn to drugs/alcohol, some suicide. It's a combination of the things they saw, the people they lost, and the feeling that you don't deserve to live when all of these other people have died.
I guess for me it just didn't feel like a natural progression as they really didn't start giving you the feeling of his deep depression until the Mardi Gras episode. And even after that, I guess I painted him up as much more of a family man than one that would take the out he did. I still don't think it fit and they turned one of, if not the, best characters on the show into a huge piece of shit by leaving his family like he did. If that was their goal, then congratulations I guess.
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Re: Treme *Season Finale* - "I'll Fly Away" - 6/20/10

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I guess for me it just didn't feel like a natural progression as they really didn't start giving you the feeling of his deep depression until the Mardi Gras episode. And even after that, I guess I painted him up as much more of a family man than one that would take the out he did. I still don't think it fit and they turned one of, if not the, best characters on the show into a huge piece of shit by leaving his family like he did. If that was their goal, then congratulations I guess.
I agree, if there had been signs along the way then I think I would have found it more believable, but like Superfro said, we really didn't even see him depressed until the last couple shows. Until that point he appeared to have a good marriage, good relationship with his daughter, had a job, had a book deal. His house didn't appear to have suffered any damage in the hurricane and they never mentioned he lost any family or friends.
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Originally Posted by Eve1972
I agree, if there had been signs along the way then I think I would have found it more believable, but like Superfro said, we really didn't even see him depressed until the last couple shows. Until that point he appeared to have a good marriage, good relationship with his daughter, had a job, had a book deal. His house didn't appear to have suffered any damage in the hurricane and they never mentioned he lost any family or friends.
I get that he felt for the city and the community for sure. And I thought they did an awesome job of showing him as the voice of that community when he became the local internet star with his rants. Hell...they also showed that public recognition making him happy on more than one occasion. Then all of a sudden he turns suicidal? And not just in an act of desperation of being smothered or truly feeling there's no way out, which I think is an important piece. It was completely methodical and planned out. I think that's my biggest problem with the situation. Up till that point of the show they just don't show him as a guy that would do that to his family. Had he got drunk and decided to do something I think I would've had a different feeling. But the coldness of knowing you're saying goodbye to your family then taking the entire day to do it, knowing you're going to do it, I just never got the feeling of his ability to do that from what they've shown us of his character.

I have to think that feeling is definitely on purpose though since they had Toni react the way she did about him not getting the second line because he took the easy way out. They had her be pissed at him the same way I was at home because it just didn't make any sense. Unfortunately that doesn't do much to change my opinion of this particular thing not making sense equaling unsatisfying storytelling.

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Originally Posted by superfro
Yep. It was pretty goddamn lame way for them to off the character IMO.

I'm not sure I'll even be back for the show next season. This just doesn't have any kind of hook for me, and half of the "actors" on the show seem to be chosen for their musical ability or relation to New Orleans in real life and as such come off as horrible performances.
You are way off base on the show. You really do need to stop watching the show with these opinions. It wasn't lame for them to off the character. IF you couldn't tell that Goodman's character was depressed pretty much from the very get go then you weren't paying attention. It wasn't even close to impossible to believe that he could off himself. There were hints of it throughout the season.

This show has plenty of good actors on it so I am not sure where you are getting that half of them were chosen for their music ability. A show based in New Orleans is gonna portray a good portion of it on it's music but these actors have been in other movies, shows and weren't chosen for their musical ability.
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Yep. It was pretty goddamn lame way for them to off the character IMO.

I'm not sure I'll even be back for the show next season. This just doesn't have any kind of hook for me, and half of the "actors" on the show seem to be chosen for their musical ability or relation to New Orleans in real life and as such come off as horrible performances.
I have to agree. There's plenty of terrible acting in this show. I understand the need to make it feel real, but when when actors are bad - it doesnt feel natural. So the show doesn't really have much plot going on and the acting is bad... I don't see how it can be viewed as a great show with these two major knocks. Maybe you can get away with one or the other - but not both.

As for Chreighton's suicide... a few of us saw it coming - but that doesn't make it realistic. It really makes no sense for him to turn so quickly to suicide. His true downward spiral and depression lasted, what, 2 episodes? It was obvious they needed more time to for it to be a more natural decline. There were hints throughout the season, but they were so minor and just didn't ring true.
It's not like they couldn't give more episodes and screentime to this matter - since they were wasting time with all that music and just pointless running around.
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Originally Posted by Eve1972
I agree, if there had been signs along the way then I think I would have found it more believable, but like Superfro said, we really didn't even see him depressed until the last couple shows. Until that point he appeared to have a good marriage, good relationship with his daughter, had a job, had a book deal. His house didn't appear to have suffered any damage in the hurricane and they never mentioned he lost any family or friends.
There were signs throughout the entire season. You really need to watch again if you didn't see the signs of his depression. I strongly suggest you read Simon's interview about the first season http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-al...ems-season-one, he touches on Creighton's suicide a little here:

The Creighton Bernette story was, in terms of his inability to create, his struggles on his own - because nobody kills themselves just because their city suffers; there has to be something internalized - was not unusual. If you look up the name Stevenson Palfi, a great documentary filmmaker who lost a lot of his material in the floods and struggled to get his next movie made after making a great film called "Piano Players Rarely Play Together," he took his own life.
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I have to agree. There's plenty of terrible acting in this show. I understand the need to make it feel real, but when when actors are bad - it doesnt feel natural. So the show doesn't really have much plot going on and the acting is bad... I don't see how it can be viewed as a great show with these two major knocks. Maybe you can get away with one or the other - but not both.

As for Chreighton's suicide... a few of us saw it coming - but that doesn't make it realistic. It really makes no sense for him to turn so quickly to suicide. His true downward spiral and depression lasted, what, 2 episodes? It was obvious they needed more time to for it to be a more natural decline. There were hints throughout the season, but they were so minor and just didn't ring true.
It's not like they couldn't give more episodes and screentime to this matter - since they were wasting time with all that music and just pointless running around.
How was the acting bad. I really don't see how you could say the acting is bad. I think Leo, Alexander,Clarke, and Pierce are very good. The shows plot is Katrina and how it changed the characters lives and how they are adapting to it. Don't see why that is hard to figure out.
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Re: Treme *Season Finale* - "I'll Fly Away" - 6/20/10

Originally Posted by bootsy
There were signs throughout the entire season. You really need to watch again if you didn't see the signs of his depression.
There were signs of his anger and frustration, but I got no signs of true suicidal depression till the Mardi Gras episode. Which seems really late in the game to pull that out. (Not to mention it just doesn't make sense for him to be so clinical about it in regards to his family.)

Although wouldn't it just be better to list the signs here instead of having someone go back and rewatch 12 hours of a show?

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How was the acting bad. I really don't see how you could say the acting is bad. I think Leo, Alexander,Clarke, and Pierce are very good. The shows plot is Katrina and how it changed the characters lives and how they are adapting to it. Don't see why that is hard to figure out.
Nobody is talking about the main characters, or even secondary characters. I'm talking about everyone else they interact with along the way. The other inhabitants of the city. If you can't see that there are some truly horrible acting jobs done in the show then you weren't paying attention.
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Re: Treme *Season Finale* - "I'll Fly Away" - 6/20/10

I agree there were signs of depression through the whole series, but not (IMO) signs that he was suicidally depressed, there is a big difference! Thanks for the link to the interview though it was interesting! Even though I found the suicide storyline lacking I still do think this is a very good show.
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Caught up with this finale last night -- a great way to end the season. Loved seeing these characters on the eve of Katrina. Was also glad to see Davis and Annie reunite from their encounter during carnival.


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