In complete agreement. I was falling asleep by the end. Hated it.

Throw me into the group of people that is really starting to dislike Locke. It begin near the end of midseason, but it continues into this season.
I also agree with the sentiment of Lock is being corrupted by faith, and Eko is being saved by it.
Don't get me wrong now, Charlie had that ass beating coming to him after what he did, but damn I didn't like Locke doing it.

Can anyone post a link to a site with thorough episode summaries? A friend missed last night's episode, and I figured that would be the best way for her to catch up..

thanks!

I think there were too many small things in this episode that build towards character moments in the future for them not to do additional scenes based on this episode.

I'm leaning towards Locke being unjustified in the KO on Charlie. I too felt it was completely uncharacteristic of nobody to come to Charlie and see if he was okay after the first incident and what might be wrong. And then, for all of them to just turn their backs on him and leave him on the beach?!

I'm not entirely with some of you on the two groups forming, but I do think that one of the larger, if not largest, reveal (or OMG moments) will be that the center of good/evil, black/white stones revolves around Mr. Echo and Locke, respectively.

I'm beginning to think what I thought was unthinkable a year ago...I'm about to drop this show for good.

I agree with the KO not being justified. Maybe if Charlie was actively threatening someone and the KO needed to be administered to stop it. But he handed over the baby, did nothing to resist, but got beat down anyway.

It was punishment. Judged and carried out by Locke.

I think this is the first step in Locke's transistion to becoming leader of the island, if the castaways like it or not. He changed the combo on the safe, presumably because it holds the heroin, but it also contains the guns.

As of the end of the show, only Locke knows the new combo. What are the chances he keeps it more to himself this time?

CFG!

I believe this season will end with Charlie deserting this group and joining up with the Others. He is so distant from everyone else that it only makes sense for him to head off on his own.

OK. One thing that seems to be getting ignoreed in this line of discussion is time. There have been what like 38 episodes (I didn't actually count) so far that span like 50 days... The characters are changing as desperation begins to set in. Everyone is doing what they need to in order to survive.

Expecting continuity in personality IS a fair expectation; but look at a show like Survivor, people change quickly when things start to get desperate. On Survivor, they know they are going home when its done. On LOST, they have no idea what will happen to them. They know they are not being rescued; so they are trying to cope. Imagine your day without your PC, Ipod, connection to family, Xbox, TV, etc. Try to put yourself in the mindset that the characters are being set up for. They are all going stir crazy if nothing else.

Back to the time thing; yes, someone would have come to Charlie's aid if he was in danger. When he woke up holding the water; Hurley asked him what was wrong and Charlie responded that he didn't know what was happening. The next day, he disappears into the jungle searching out Locke. That night, even if the rest of the group has no real idea that Charlie started the fire, they know he took the baby. Locke hitting him is not out of the realm of possibility when confronted with a kidnapper.

After Charlie took the baby, do you really think within a couple seconds, Kate would say "hey charlie, I know I'm helping Claire now; but whats going on?"


Oh, and Libby is an Other - she wasn't on the plane. Hurley was the last person on board sitting in the front. Liby was a tailie. How did he step on her foot?

Good point.

More importantly, why would she be flirting with him

Yeah... I'm loving Sawyer and these little Star Wars moments.

"Han and Chewie" and now "Jabba"

Hey, if someone is going to talk about The Truth, then they better get it right.

I'm not here to preach. I'll save that for the DVD Talk Religion Forum.

Chris

Flave, why would you drop this show? you acting like its awful. the show is still fantastic

I would figure both Hurley or Locke would pickup on this....especially since they memormized the passenger manifest.

You could start here . Just click on the episode links and there is a small summary of each episode. I'm sure there are dozens and dozens of websites that have more thorough summaries of each episode.

Chris

Posting something I did on another board regarding this ep:

You might be right, but dont you think that the other tailies would have picked up on it? They were so paranoid about it. I just think the infiltrating 'other' is overplayed.

I didn't have a problem with this exchange. I hear people talk like that all the time. Besides, I think it was Ana Lucia's way to bring up the issue in a not-so-serious manner. I'm not saying it's Shakespeare, but it didn't strike me as unrealistic or mind-numbingly bad either.

I laughed my ass off when I heard that. It came right out of left field and is not something you usually hear on Network TV.

Agreed!

I don't know where all this hate is coming from, I thought it was a pretty good episode. Not the best, but still better than most of the shit on TV.

Keep in mind that Eko is Catholic.

The new TV trend is for fat slobs to get hot chicks. See King Of Queens, the one with Jim Belushi, and a few others for reference.

Not this season. They still have time to salvage it, but so far it's been a slow, meandering bore. There's so much stuff I already watch on TV(including in this timeslot) that I'm inching closer and closer every week to just giving up on Lost.

Lindelof and Co. either don't know what the hell they're doing or they're holding all their cards until they're forced to show their hand(which could take years if the ratings remain high). Either way, I'm losing my patience with this c-cktease of a series.

Yeah, my girlfriend complains about this all the time. "Still Standing" too.

They could not be suspicious because unlike Ethan and the other guy, she was actually helping people at the crash. She was straightening the broken bone of the guy that later died of infection. You never saw her in the water. The first time anyone saw her, she was performing medical assisance. Being that they Others know everyone's name, it is not inconcievable that they would know Hurley was all sweaty when he boarded. They did take most of the tailies and the stewardess (Cindy). Stepping on someone's foot is something easily forgotten compared to the rest of the day; so they could say that. Plus this would throw off Hurley's recognition of her (possibly from the mental hospital he was in...) by throwing his memories to the crash and not concentrate too hard on where he knows her from. Keep in mind the Darma symbols are everywhere (wan't it on the cards they were playing last night?); this seems to have been planned for a LONG time to get these people onto the island. Having Hurley as the last one to board could have been intentional.