It's a fine looking set of washers and dryers...

It has to be Charlie, the one ring was a Drive Shaft Ring.

Very uneventful episode. Did we move the plot along? Nope. Filler.

Ouch....trying to resist making a bad, cheesy LOTR joke.

I think Locke is more angry that he is losing control of things. He completely controlled Charlie as far as the drugs go, and here is Charlie, still thinking for himself...Charlie was acting erratic when he went to talk to Locke. He also knew about the statue/Claire thing.


I'm thinking that that the fact that people knew was one reason. The other is that the statue that Ecko discovered was just like 2 days before. Claire threw him out. He is pining for her. I think with the short amount of time that has gone by, people would think Charlie is just having trouble adjusting to the "break-up". Did'nt Hurley comment last week about him giving her some space or something like that? Charlie comes across as very needy and now heartbroken. I've seen this happen to people - I "know" whats wrong...most times this does not escalate to kidnapping.

Gold digger...eh, hadn't thought of that. Sounds feasable though. I think it would need to be from before the crash though, since the faith in rescue is quickly diminishing (more so for the tailies). She does seem to have medical training (as she claimed). I think she worked in the mental institution and Hurley got tied in because of the crazy guy who gave him the numbers who was under her care.

My guess is her potentially being linked romantically with Hurley this season is what sent her out for Drinks that night.

HAHAHAHA thats hilarious....yeah, she is decent looking....Im sure she was thinking, WTF?

It must be a blow to her self-esteem (unless there is really something else behind it).

I actually dug the episode - I think Charlie's one of the only characters I can believe going absolutely psycho - the Hobbit has the acting chops to pull it off - I think the reason that the director of the episode was using so many Charlie close-ups was that Monaghan (sp?) can go from bright-eyed to cold as ice in a split second. My favorite little moment of this season was when Charlie visited his little Virgin Mary hiding place in the Eko episode, and gave a hunger-crazed sideways glance toward it before "L O S T" came up on the screen. For one, I think Charlie's flashback/present stories line up fairly well, and present a well-drawn character - I really don't see any character consistancies that others are pointing out - he always seemed a little manic-depressive to me, with the highs and lows punctuated by the, or the lack of, heroin. Thought last night's episode was unsettling and a little heart breaking.

Dug the A-L and Jack scene, even if the acting was a little pained. Liking the Sawyer Star Wars references. I also think that Libby's comment about the washer-dryer combo was a jab at internet message board over-analysis.

I'm also hating Locke now - he's becoming a holier-than-thou prick. Of all the characters seemingly acting out-of-character from season one, I think it's Locke - he's done so many emotional 180s in 52 (?) days that he's starting to seem less prophet and more madman. But I think that's the point. Cannot wait until the survivors have to choose between Jack and Locke, and start lining up. Seems like we'll have a real Marlowe/Kurtz moment near the end of this season.

cheers,

-the Jesus

Charlie told Jack explicitly that he started the fire.

that works too

Oh, come on!!!!

Her last boyfriend was Drew Carey!

Hahaha...well, hopefully, she does better in the real world.

Then again, Evangaline is dating a hobbit.

I liked the episode, but they did a horrible job with Locke. Why is Locke so convinced Charlie's doing drugs? Charlie probably didn't have any drug paraphernalia on him. He hasn't shown any real symptoms like eyes being dilated. Once Locke took the heroin away, Charlie didn't go into withdrawal. If Charlie's acting weird and having weird visions that should be right up Locke's alley. Locke has such faith in the island, but he doesn't even consider it could be affecting Charlie.

I guess there is one explanation. Locke put a lot of faith in Charlie when he helped him quit using the first time. Thinking that it didn't work could make Locke feel betrayed and also like he failed. I didn't like that his solution was to just pummel Charlie, but maybe Locke is taking out his own fears on Charlie.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. If this is how little he knows about Christianity, I hope they downplay the religious angle from now on. In fact, even if he weren't missquoting the Bible, they should downplay religion anyway. I fear the writers might try to cop out and explain it all as some sort of spiritual journey.

I also thought it was a little annoying that Locke always talks to Jack about having faith, but then he didn't have any faith in Charlie when he said he'd stopped using, or when he said Aaron was in danger. I mean, what has Locke's faith done, other than getting Boone killed? Agree totally with the "holier than thou" comment. In the first season, he seemed to be a stabilizing force that kept the survivors from going mad. But since he found the hatch, he's been divisive more than anything else.

I'll give you guys a pass since there are so many sects of Christianity that maybe there isn't an overlap, but this is what I found about the Baptism (and it's completely consistent with the ep):

And why did he baptize people, and what was baptism?

John the Baptist, of course, is known for having practiced baptism. But then, so did lots of other people. We hear of other groups around this time, besides the Sadducees and the Pharisees and Essenes. There are the obscure little groups. We only know their names, but one of them is called Morning Dippers, or Hemero-Baptists, they're called. This seems to refer to a group that practiced self-washing ... ritual washing as an act of purification. We also know from the Dead Sea Scrolls, that the Qumran community practiced ritual washing as an act of purification as well, to keep themselves pure before God. So, the idea of baptizing, or washing as a sign of purity seems to come, actually, out of the Temple practice itself.


And what's the significance in terms of the quest for Jesus?

In terms of the Jesus tradition, then, to have Jesus either submit to baptism, or himself baptize others, suggests that we are part of a culture that was looking toward Temple purity as its ideal of religious life. By Temple purity, I mean the notion that one should be pure ... should be washed ... should be cleansed before you can go to the Temple and offer your sacrifices or your worship to God. So one of the concerns of the Temple, you see, and of the Priests who ran it, was that proper purity regulations be followed scrupulously. In some cases, however, it seems that these purity regulations, though, were made also a practice of kind ... what we might call personal piety among some Jewish groups. This seems to be what's going on in the Essene group. And it may also be what's reflected in the story of John, who practices baptism. And it seems to be that he calls for baptism as a sign of rededication or repurification of life in a typically Jewish way before God.

And what is this source? The Corporation for PUBLIC BROADCASTING:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...rait/john.html

In addition, from the Bible itself:

Jesus walked many miles to be baptized, though He was without sin, saying, "For thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness" (See Matthew 3:13-16.).

To me that reads plain as day - "cleanse of all sin".

Charlie flat out lied to Locke about not having any H still around, so why would Locke have faith in him when he saw Charlie going thru the stash.

There seems to be some confusion about Locke's reaction. Locke isn't mad because he can't control Charlie, or anything like that. If Boone had said he was done and left, Locke wouldn't have attacked him, after all.

Locke is convinced that Charlie is still using heroin, and that Charlie would say anything to hide that fact. When he found his secret stash, he was extremely angry and disappointed in him, and felt like Charlie betrayed and made a fool out of him. And despite that, and the fact that Charlie started obsessing about Claire and the baby, Locke didn't think he would actually try anything. When Charlie threatened the entire camp with his fire and was holding the baby near the ocean like a loon, Locke felt betrayed for a second time, because he trusted Charlie not to do something that batshit insane (even though he said Charlie didn't have the right to be believed anymore). The fact that Charlie put the baby in danger more than anything enraged him to the point where he simply lost his cool.

Given that Locke can hold a grudge, I don't expect things between them to get better anytime soon. Locke may apologize for hitting him (I doubt it), but he'll be pretty cold to him for a long time, unless it's shown that Charlie was being influenced by the Others or the Island.

I have never heard the term "batshit" before and now I have seen it at least 3 times in this thread.

Locke's faith has let him down as well, and gotten others into trouble or killed. I can understand him being pissed at Charlie for starting the fire, as I would be too. But for someone so supposedly grounded in faith, he sure gave up easily when it came to someone else.

Oddly, my friend had never heard the term "crunk" before today.

I definitely agree with this. At first, locke was a little skeptical about charlie, because he was having Visions and stealing babies. So he asks Charlie if he's using again. Charlie lies directly to him, saying all statues were destroyed. Locke is still skeptical, so he follows Charlie. He sees him with the statues. So now he knows he has definitely been lied to, so he has no reason to trust him.

Then he freaks out and steals the baby again. I'd have punched his ass, too.

OR....
Maybe Locke is using the Heroin now... Did you see the look on his face when Charlie told him they burned the plane? Maybe he's been using since he killed Boone ( ). That's why Locke is acting the way he is and adding to his paranoia (see coming soon).

I think Charlie said it best when he talked about "Kate sees a horse, nearly everyone has seen Walt runnning around, but when the visions come to Charlie, its because he on drugs!"

Oh and whoever said that if Boone had wanted to leave, Locke would have let him... do you not remember Boone being tied down for the black cloud to find and him excaping to find Shannon's body? It is ALL about CONTROL for Locke. In the real world he was merely a worker bee. Here he is one of the leaders.

that would be interesting if locke was hooked on the drug. could also explain why he didn't take charlie up on destroying the rest of it...

Anyone else getting that "lord of the flies" vibe nowadays on this show?