Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
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Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
Suicidal Tendencies also re-recorded their debut album with the current line-up (Rocky George, Robert Trujillo, R.J. Herrera, Mike Clark) because of a dispute with the record label the album was released on. (Ironically, Trujillo also played on the two re-recorded Ozzy albums.)
And Twisted Sister re-recorded their breakthrough album "Stay Hungry" as "Still Hungry" because they weren't satisfied with Tom Werman's production.
And I sort of remember Def Leppard re-recording some of their songs/albums to get better digital distribution royalties.
#1602
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Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
I remember some Rock Band tracks were re-records of classics. Nobody wanted that.
BTW : This whole concept was originally Kelly Clarkson's idea. I read that every time a TV albums dropped, Taylor sent her a massive amount of flowers.
BTW : This whole concept was originally Kelly Clarkson's idea. I read that every time a TV albums dropped, Taylor sent her a massive amount of flowers.
#1603
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
A few do it. Ozzy Sharon had "Blizzard of Ozz" and "Diary of a Madman" re-recorded with new bass and drum tracks to spite the original musicians and screw them out of royalties. Though those were soundly rejected by his fans.
Suicidal Tendencies also re-recorded their debut album with the current line-up (Rocky George, Robert Trujillo, R.J. Herrera, Mike Clark) because of a dispute with the record label the album was released on. (Ironically, Trujillo also played on the two re-recorded Ozzy albums.)
And Twisted Sister re-recorded their breakthrough album "Stay Hungry" as "Still Hungry" because they weren't satisfied with Tom Werman's production.
And I sort of remember Def Leppard re-recording some of their songs/albums to get better digital distribution royalties.
Suicidal Tendencies also re-recorded their debut album with the current line-up (Rocky George, Robert Trujillo, R.J. Herrera, Mike Clark) because of a dispute with the record label the album was released on. (Ironically, Trujillo also played on the two re-recorded Ozzy albums.)
And Twisted Sister re-recorded their breakthrough album "Stay Hungry" as "Still Hungry" because they weren't satisfied with Tom Werman's production.
And I sort of remember Def Leppard re-recording some of their songs/albums to get better digital distribution royalties.
Happens often with movie soundtracks. Songs are in the movie but not on soundtrack cd. The soudtrack cd is a different label than the artist's. That's why Chris Cornell's "You Know My Name" is missing from Casino Royale soundtrack cd. Same with Adele's "Skyfall"
#1604
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Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
Not sure how her fans are gullible and taken advantage of. Nobody has to buy anything she's selling. Is she somehow deceiving people about what they are getting with these Taylor Versions?
#1605
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Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
Of course she isn't forcing anyone to buy all this but there is an unhealthy peer pressure within her fan community to be completists. Like Taylor is going to love them more or you have proof that you are the biggest fan. Like unhinged levels of crazy and it's being taken advantage of. Do you blame the drug dealer or the drug user?
Last edited by Kdogg; 06-01-25 at 09:51 AM.
#1606
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Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
Of course no one is being forced. It’s more of a hive mentality that some of her fans have of gotta get it all. To me that seems a bit gullible, and Taylor takes full advantage of that gullibility by milking anything she can. It is capitalism but for a performer who claims to love her fans.. it’s more like she loves their money. Power to her for being able to do that, but it is a bit shameless.
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#1607
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Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
Of course she isn't forcing anyone to buy all this but there is an unhealthy peer pressure within her fan community to be completists. Like Taylor is going to love them more or you have proof that you are the biggest fan. Like unhinged levels of crazy and it's being taken advantage of. Do you blame the drug dealer or the drug user?
If there is an unhealthy peer pressure within her fans community, then that is obviously about that community and the individuals within it.
She's a capitalist in the Ayn Randian sense of that word. She is a creator, and she has to leave it up to the public to buy what she creates or reject it. Her value is in her superior creative ability. Good for her.
#1608
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Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
Of course no one is being forced. It’s more of a hive mentality that some of her fans have of gotta get it all. To me that seems a bit gullible, and Taylor takes full advantage of that gullibility by milking anything she can. It is capitalism but for a performer who claims to love her fans.. it’s more like she loves their money. Power to her for being able to do that, but it is a bit shameless.
All her fans are sentient human beings with free will. That's the end of that discussion for me.
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#1610
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Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
I recommend the "emergency" episode of Every Single Album podcast about the masters being acquired. They explain a lot of the behind the scenes and the business of this deal. I found it very enlightening.
They mentioned that if Taylor ever really did want to milk her fans for money, she'd put a line of makeup products out and would make a billion dollars overnight. I still think it's cool that she became the first billionaire musician solely off her music.
They mentioned that if Taylor ever really did want to milk her fans for money, she'd put a line of makeup products out and would make a billion dollars overnight. I still think it's cool that she became the first billionaire musician solely off her music.
#1611
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Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
I recommend the "emergency" episode of Every Single Album podcast about the masters being acquired. They explain a lot of the behind the scenes and the business of this deal. I found it very enlightening.
They mentioned that if Taylor ever really did want to milk her fans for money, she'd put a line of makeup products out and would make a billion dollars overnight. I still think it's cool that she became the first billionaire musician solely off her music.
They mentioned that if Taylor ever really did want to milk her fans for money, she'd put a line of makeup products out and would make a billion dollars overnight. I still think it's cool that she became the first billionaire musician solely off her music.
#1612
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Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
I'll say it again. People are sentient human beings with free will. Each individual is responsible for the choices they make. If there is such a thing as blame that comes with an action, then the person that chose to take the action is to blame for it.
If Bob sells heroin, then Bob is a criminal because selling heroin is illegal, and Bob should be punished for committing a crime. However, Bob is not to blame for any of his customers' drug use.
#1613
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Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
That approach to what?
I'll say it again. People are sentient human beings with free will. Each individual is responsible for the choices they make. If there is such a thing as blame that comes with an action, then the person that chose to take the action is to blame for it.
If Bob sells heroin, then Bob is a criminal because selling heroin is illegal, and Bob should be punished for committing a crime. However, Bob is not to blame for any of his customers' drug use.
I'll say it again. People are sentient human beings with free will. Each individual is responsible for the choices they make. If there is such a thing as blame that comes with an action, then the person that chose to take the action is to blame for it.
If Bob sells heroin, then Bob is a criminal because selling heroin is illegal, and Bob should be punished for committing a crime. However, Bob is not to blame for any of his customers' drug use.
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#1619
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Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
Speaking of....
I have this on DVD but would love a bluray or 4k digital upgrade
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#1621
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Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
Mining FOMO, limited time drops (24 hours), multiple album variants with one track differences, four vinyl albums required to make a clock, releasing an album and then releasing the second "secret" half days later requiring two purchases, etc.... Billy Elisha was like I'm only doing one release. Peace. One's an artist and one is an industry (artist, marketer, actress, etc). There is nothing wrong. It's peek capitalism.
Of course she isn't forcing anyone to buy all this but there is an unhealthy peer pressure within her fan community to be completists. Like Taylor is going to love them more or you have proof that you are the biggest fan. Like unhinged levels of crazy and it's being taken advantage of. Do you blame the drug dealer or the drug user?
Of course she isn't forcing anyone to buy all this but there is an unhealthy peer pressure within her fan community to be completists. Like Taylor is going to love them more or you have proof that you are the biggest fan. Like unhinged levels of crazy and it's being taken advantage of. Do you blame the drug dealer or the drug user?
If there is another possible interpretation, please explain what it is instead of pulling out the douchey "you be you" dismissal of what I am saying, which is clearly correct.
#1622
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Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
The only possible interpretation of what you posted is that being a hardcore TS fan is like being a drug addict and Taylor is a pusher who takes advantage of her fans' addiction.
If there is another possible interpretation, please explain what it is instead of pulling out the douchey "you be you" dismissal of what I am saying, which is clearly correct.
If there is another possible interpretation, please explain what it is instead of pulling out the douchey "you be you" dismissal of what I am saying, which is clearly correct.
https://www.dazeddigital.com/music/a...t-toxic-fandom
Last edited by Kdogg; 06-03-25 at 01:29 PM.
#1623
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
So she is not a drug-pusher taking advantage of helpless addicts, she's a cult leader whose only interest is profiting off the gullibility of her brain-washed fans. Got it.
#1624
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Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
I'm not a Taylor Swift fan at all, and only really get my information about her through osmosis, but what I do gather is that her fandom tends to be really intense at the extreme end of the spectrum. Cultish? Addictive? Yeah, I kind of get that. I'm sure that a lot of her fans are just normal fans, but there seems like there's a not unsizable segment that's gone over the deep end.
Is it something she actively cultivated, or did it just happen naturally? I don't really know.
I'm a metalhead, and metal's fandom also tends to be really intense and hardcore, too. I'd say there's probably an addictive aspect to it. Cultish, not really -- fans will absolutely turn on bands they love if they put out a bad album or perform a shitty set.
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#1625
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Re: Taylor Swift -- Discussion Thread
Maybe a little bit of both?
I'm not a Taylor Swift fan at all, and only really get my information about her through osmosis, but what I do gather is that her fandom tends to be really intense at the extreme end of the spectrum. Cultish? Addictive? Yeah, I kind of get that. I'm sure that a lot of her fans are just normal fans, but there seems like there's a not unsizable segment that's gone over the deep end.
Is it something she actively cultivated, or did it just happen naturally? I don't really know.
I'm a metalhead, and metal's fandom also tends to be really intense and hardcore, too. I'd say there's probably an addictive aspect to it. Cultish, not really -- fans will absolutely turn on bands they love if they put out a bad album or perform a shitty set.
I'm not a Taylor Swift fan at all, and only really get my information about her through osmosis, but what I do gather is that her fandom tends to be really intense at the extreme end of the spectrum. Cultish? Addictive? Yeah, I kind of get that. I'm sure that a lot of her fans are just normal fans, but there seems like there's a not unsizable segment that's gone over the deep end.
Is it something she actively cultivated, or did it just happen naturally? I don't really know.
I'm a metalhead, and metal's fandom also tends to be really intense and hardcore, too. I'd say there's probably an addictive aspect to it. Cultish, not really -- fans will absolutely turn on bands they love if they put out a bad album or perform a shitty set.





