I normally enjoy Reddit but their /R/movies subreddit has been unusable for a while now due to shit like that

There are parts of Reddit that are fine, since each sub is technically its own community, but the sum of all of Reddit? Garbage fire.

I must be missing something there, but right on

I've never seen any part of reddit that's "fine". Whoever designed and maintains their layout is an idiot. It's an unfathomable mess.

This Reddit hate seems pretty curmudgeonly and based on peripheral glances at best. Let me put it this way - If you based the entirety of DVDTalk on the "NOT GUILTY" shit in Otterville, or that every user was Dragon Tattoo, you'd think we're a bunch of idiots as well.

But something like "AskHistorians" where it's a pretty serious community answering interesting question about history - nothing wrong with that at all.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/

It's not all "lol Ghostbudters sucks!111" like people seem to think. Yes, a lot of the "default" subs have stupid trends and idiotic puns, but beyond that, there is something to read for most people.

Though yes, the layout takes getting used to.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...gs-are-broken/

James Gunn (GotG) posted this interesting article on his Facebook page today. The stats are very revealing.

In this case, it's a classic case of the reviewers going one way and the moviegoing audience going the other way. And it's happened many times before--with a very famous example being The Sound of Music, where the critics initially HATED the movie but audiences loved it to tune (literally!) of US$59,000,000 in box revenue in 1965--the equivalent of US$451 million in 2016. And that very popularity forced the critics to completely re-evaluate the film--and the movie became a multi-Oscar winner, too.

The new Ghostbusters movie would have been a lot less controversial had Director Paul Feig didn't make those public remarks dismissing the moviegoing audience recently. That, in my opinion, is a good way to guarantee the movie won't be a major box office success.

A big point in the article isn't about going in opposite directions. There were 12,000 IMDB ratings before the movie ever came out. Those numbers were gathered Thursday morning.

Simply put, I think the problem from the get-go was promoting this as a female film. Women can headline movies - it's even happened before! - but in our current climate of fourth wave feminism and continued warring of the sexes it was imprudent to turn off nearly half your audience by effectively saying "we're remaking a movie for women" instead of "we're remaking this movie and the cast happens to be women".

Christ, I was watching Jeopardy the other day and Alex Trebek gave the film a shout-out, saying "Ghostbusters. Out this Friday. All women!" as though it's some sort of novelty.

Sony and Feig, instead of making an inclusive film, put their "Grrrl Power" engines in overdrive and then cried foul when it upset literally half of their potential viewers.

I couldn't give a shit less that it stars all women (although I wouldn't have chosen THOSE women); what rubbed me the wrong way was the promotion.

No. It's a case of internet morons giving a movie the lowest possible rating without seeing it, as evidences by the above article you clearly didn't even read.

You're pretty much on the money there.

My issue was they didn't make it an all woman team because they had a concept that made Ghostbusters better. They did it as a marketing gimmick.

And then they did the marketing like, "We don't need no men! And, look! The only man associated with the team is a total moron!" Yeah, that wasn't going to turn people off.

Just imagine if someone remade a female centered movie with a male centered cast. How well would that go over with feminists? (Or just the average woman?) They'd scream bloody murder! "Here it is, BUDDY The Vampire Slayer! Women are only in the movie to play airhead supporting characters!" Yeah, that would go over well.

And from everything that I'm reading, the movie has serious issues with characterization, pacing, and continuity, so it clearly isn't an improvement over the previous Ghostbusters movies.

Had they gone with the passing of the torch concept, and had an integrated team of men and women (of mixed ethnicities, too) they would have had a much better concept not weighed down by a poorly told origin story.

I like the idea of Ghostbusters having been franchised by Venkman/Ray/Egon/Winston, but after a period of growth being on the downside, with most franchises closing down. The team is getting older, and Egon has passed away, and they need younger people to take over. They could have even had the brains of the outfit (Egon's replacement) be a woman! There would have been so many possibilities there, and no need to waste time on an origin story!

So, yeah, the marketing rubbed me the wrong way from the beginning because as someone who actually took a couple screenwriting classes in college (which doesn't make me anything more than an educated fan) I knew that greenlighting a movie based on a concept rather than a good script in hand was the recipe for mediocrity. And that's what we got - a movie that most people think is, "OK," and the pickier fans think is utter garbage.

There's nothing wrong with this movie. Not sure what all the anger is about a remake of an extremely overrated movie from 30 years ago.

My daughter, who is about the same age as I was when I saw the original, loved the new one. The same way I felt about the original all those years ago.

Pussy fart jokes for the win!!

Great review. (Some spoilers)
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The idea that someone should "turn in their critic card" if they think the movie is great is just trolling.

I'm sure there are some of your reviews I strongly disagree with, but I'd never be so presumptuous as to tell you to stop reviewing because of it.

That's why movie ratings in general are pointless. It's stupid to assign a number rating or star number to a movie and expect it to be meaningful. Roger Ebert only did it because his publisher made him. Movies, like all forms of art, are highly subjective, and we all have different tastes. I don't like Adam Sandler movies, but I'm not going to tell somebody they are wrong for enjoying them. No single movie critic is going to match my personal preferences when it comes to cinema. I like everything from Bergman, to Wes Anderson, to the Friday the 13th movies, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Why do I care what people on IMDB rated a movie? Why do a care what a single or majority of critics rated the latest summer blockbuster? All that matters is how I feel about a movie, and that may change depending on my mood, or life experiences. Some movies I hated as a teenager, I love now, and vice versa. Even without trolling, we place far too much importance on reviews and ratings, from both critics and audiences.

Wow. That is a very thoughtful, intelligent, and insightful review. It certainly makes a lot of points to think about.

This on top of everything else I've read/heard/seen is the final nail in the coffin for this movie as far as I'm concerned. She notes how heavy handed and stupid the brand of humor is, and then at 4:50 she clearly and effectively notes how this movie WAS made with an agenda, and that agenda hurts the movie.

I can't believe that anyone would deny that agenda after seeing this movie. She clearly lays it out. Can you imagine what a shitstorm there would be if a movie had that strong an anti-women agenda? The hypocricy of Feig and the execs at Sony who produced this thing is stunning. You don't prop up a group that has been underrepresented by tearing down another. That just doesn't work. All that does is create conflict. Well, we've certainly seen that happen with this movie.

And it didn't have to be that way. It could have been a sequel, a passing of the torch to an integrated, mixed gender group of new Ghostbusters and no one would have said anything negative about it. Rather, it would have been a huge positive, showing that women could work with men as equals.

With all the pre-release buzz the critics can fuck off too. No ones opinion seems unbiased about this film.

To the critics' credit, they at least saw the movie before registering their votes. On IMDb, for instance, this has to undo about 16000 votes registered before it opened. It now has 27500 votes and has moved from a 3.8 to a 4.9.

But yeah, it is a bit of a mess, and it's easier to listen to friends you share common taste with on this one. I would reference the B+ CinemaScore, but i find their research to be just north of worthless except for extremely negative overall scores.

I keep reading and hearing about all the man-hate in this movie. Gee I wonder what could Feig be hiding?

This is also an excellent piece from her:

Have you guys not seen any Paul Feig movies before? All of his films have a strong feminist bent and turn gender norms on their head, which I can see some people as interpreting as being anti-man but it's clearly done for comedic purposes. Kevin is to Ghostbusters what Jason Statham was to Spy, both of them subverting audience expectations.

So how many competent, intelligent, heroic men are in the new Ghostbusters?

None?

So what Feig did was make an US VS Them movie. He intentionally make a movie that would be polarizing. A movie with an agenda.

Ghostbusters is NOT the forum/franchise to forward that kind of agenda. It's supposed to be all inclusive, not divisive. Feig made a divisive movie, and that appears to have been his intent. What a jackass.

I occasionally stumble into something "fine" in reddit. But I agree it's mostly a garbage fire and if I don't know exactly what I'm looking for the layout is hopeless.

On topic, I wasn't planning on seeing Ghostbusters but I guess they will get my $6 from a matinee. Just so I can form my own opinion.

Dozens of big budget films are made every year where the female charecters are just token girlfriends or minor tier charecters who help move along the plot. You don't see Women going around the internet throwing tantrums like Reddit Bro's or believe like you that a certain movie is an attack on their gender.

There are over 200 films released in theaters and for the last decade around 30-50 remakes or reboots within a given year and yet angry young men across the internet have decided 1 entire film existing is some Feminist assault of them.