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Daytripper 07-21-11 10:33 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by Dragon Tattoo (Post 10860711)
Jesus Fucking Christ.

Here we go.

Superboy 07-21-11 10:46 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt (Post 10862853)
I loved Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2. The sequel was one of the best comic book movies to date. Ebert included it in his top movies of the year. Part 3 is bad though and suffered so much cause 2 was so good.

If they had taken out the emo/hipster Peter montage with the jazzy Spider-man theme, the song and dance number in the club, the song and dance number while Harry and Mary Jane are making omelettes, the entire Gwen Stacy sub-plot that went nowhere (they could keep the action scene and just remove dialogue just to make it seem like she's some random girl and she looks like Gwen as fan service), the children during the final action sequence, the scenes where the Sandman talks to his family, and the incredibly stupid scene where Harry's butler reveals that he knew all along that his father was responsible for his own death and Spider-man is innocent, the movie would have been much stronger. You don't need to add extra Venom scenes or anything like that. The movie is pretty full as it is.

Artman 07-22-11 12:13 AM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
I think the preview's pretty great. I didn't hate the Raimi movies...and I don't see part 3 as some abomination, similar to X3, it's just a weaker entry to what came before. I liked the colors, music, overall vibe... but the acting and dialogue was just so bad.... you had to look at it as a cartoon to buy any of it. If they can dial that in, while retaining the fun aspects... I guess that's what I'm looking for in a Spidey flick.

madcougar 07-22-11 08:59 AM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by Superboy (Post 10862977)
If they had taken out the emo/hipster Peter montage with the jazzy Spider-man theme, the song and dance number in the club, the song and dance number while Harry and Mary Jane are making omelettes, the entire Gwen Stacy sub-plot that went nowhere (they could keep the action scene and just remove dialogue just to make it seem like she's some random girl and she looks like Gwen as fan service), the children during the final action sequence, the scenes where the Sandman talks to his family, and the incredibly stupid scene where Harry's butler reveals that he knew all along that his father was responsible for his own death and Spider-man is innocent, the movie would have been much stronger. You don't need to add extra Venom scenes or anything like that. The movie is pretty full as it is.

:lol: I would add recasting Venom with ANYONE as Topher Grace was an abomination as Venom.


Originally Posted by dvdjunkie32 (Post 10862562)
This trailer blows. Even gave me a headache watching it. As a spidey fan, I'm really pissed at this reboot. I had no problem with Toby and the rest of the cast. They stayed true to the comic, and there was so many other villian stories that could be milked instead of watching the origin story all over again.

What Spider-Man comic books have you been reading? The official movie adaptation is about the only comic book the Raimi movies stayed true to... with that said however, there was a lot of good stuff, which brings me to...


Originally Posted by Sierra Disc (Post 10862724)
I don't get this historical revisionism that says all the Raimi Spidey movies were awful. I love the first two (yeah the Green Goblin armor is awful) and I don't think 3 is anywhere near as bad as all that. Raimi gets the tone of the comic unlike this mopey trailer.

And bingo has a name-o. Raimi (for the most part) got the tone of the comic book right. Peter wasn't some emo outsider on the fringe of society. He had a small group of friends who loved and understood him. Sure he was a nerd who incurred the wrath of bullies, but he was still a funny kid who loved and respected his aunt and uncle dearly.

The trailer is Spider-Man by way of Twilight and MTV. I hope that this movie doesn't break Spider-Man like Batman and Robin broke Batman.

RichC2 07-22-11 09:12 AM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by Superboy (Post 10862977)
If they had taken out the emo/hipster Peter montage with the jazzy Spider-man theme, the song and dance number in the club, the song and dance number while Harry and Mary Jane are making omelettes, the entire Gwen Stacy sub-plot that went nowhere (they could keep the action scene and just remove dialogue just to make it seem like she's some random girl and she looks like Gwen as fan service), the children during the final action sequence, the scenes where the Sandman talks to his family, and the incredibly stupid scene where Harry's butler reveals that he knew all along that his father was responsible for his own death and Spider-man is innocent, the movie would have been much stronger. You don't need to add extra Venom scenes or anything like that. The movie is pretty full as it is.

You ignored the single worst part of the movie - the high school love triangle occuring between three grown adults, it was embarassing as hell watching that. Plus Sandman was not an interesting villian at all.

Topher as Venom didn't bother me, but I was never a big Spider-man comic book fan.

I liked the first half of Spider-man 1 (hated it once it became him vs. Green Goblin who was incredibly uninteresting) and thought Spider-man 2 was great. 3 was terrible.

lamphorn 07-22-11 07:50 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Speaking of the incessant rebooting, I just read that WB has already announced that after The Dark Knight Rises, they're gonna reboot Batman again.... sigh.

Solid Snake 07-22-11 08:02 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
on the Batman thing...wasn't Nolan going to help out in creating a continuation franchise for Bats?

Deftones 07-22-11 08:12 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by lamphorn (Post 10864096)
Speaking of the incessant rebooting, I just read that WB has already announced that after The Dark Knight Rises, they're gonna reboot Batman again.... sigh.

i'm wondering if that is out of context. only in the sense that it will obviously be new actors/director in the parts and that is being considered a "reboot." my guess is they just build on the universe that nolan has built. it's just too good to abandon that.

islandclaws 07-22-11 08:16 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
^ That's what they've said, which is what leads me to believe that with Bale out and this universe continuing, Wayne may end up a cripple after all.

kgrogers1979 07-22-11 08:45 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Bring in Jean Paul Valley!

reubs82 07-22-11 10:16 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by kgrogers1979 (Post 10864144)
Bring in Jean Paul Valley!

And then after a few Azrael movies, bring Bale back for something along the lines of "The Dark Knight Returns", right?

Wait, this is the Spidey thread? Crap.

Giles 07-23-11 01:43 AM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
aside from the ending of the trailer where the viewer get's Spidey's perspective of leaping and jumping around the buildings in 3D no less - it really didn't impress me as I had hoped

anomynous 07-23-11 01:57 AM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
I thought Topher was great as Eddie Brock/Venom. Sure he wasn't buff like Venom is supposed to be, but he did pretty good with what he had to work with, which was nothing.

Daytripper 07-23-11 02:08 AM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by lamphorn (Post 10864096)
Speaking of the incessant rebooting, I just read that WB has already announced that after The Dark Knight Rises, they're gonna reboot Batman again.... sigh.

WHAT!? Are you fucking kidding me? This is out of control. First the way too soon "Superman" and "Spider-Man" reboots, now this? Hollywood just keeps sinking creatively lower and lower.

gmanca 07-23-11 02:10 AM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
That's why I support Marvel's efforts in making a linked cinematic universe; they wouldn't be putting so much effort in interconnecting the films just to reboot them 5 years later.

RocShemp 07-23-11 02:21 AM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Well the Batman reboot is at the behest of Christopher Nolan, from what has been rumoured. Apparently he's adamant that TDKR will be a definitive conclusion to his Batman trilogy with no opening for further sequels.

kgrogers1979 07-23-11 05:43 AM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 10864399)
Apparently he's adamant that TDKR will be a definitive conclusion to his Batman trilogy with no opening for further sequels.


Hmmm. What if Bane doesn't break Batman's back but actually kills him...

But that would still leave an opening for Jean Paul.

Solid Snake 07-23-11 12:16 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Fuck no to JPL....also this is the damn Spidey thread. Get back on track, motherfuckers.

fumanstan 07-23-11 12:52 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Batman!

Strevlac 07-23-11 03:31 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Apparently the dude who plays the villain in this flick is a real dbag or this is just a publicity stunt

http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/07/23...-at-comic-con/

anomynous 07-23-11 03:38 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
It's not true

Also: Low Quality Lizard pics

slop101 07-23-11 06:07 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Everyone who complained about "emo" Peter Parker in Spiderman3, you were wrong, this is emo Spiderman!

Seriously, I like this cast, but every single thing about this looks wrong; wrong tone, wrong plot, unnecessary re-boot, another origin, too dark, etc, etc. It's all wrong for Spiderman/Parker, who as a character has gone through some serious shit, but is never dark nor brooding. And that POV segment looked worse than a video game.

I guess I'm the wrong audience for this, as it seems they're targeting the Twilight crowd. Further, in the press, the director of this new one is deriding the Rami films as if they're missteps or something. SP2 is one of the best superhero movies of them all, and while 3 head it's issues, it's not like it's Superman 4. To pretend the old ones weren't that hot, just to justify his shitty new take on it is pure bullshit.

Super X 07-23-11 06:12 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
I wouldn't have so much of a problem except that they feel the need to retell the origin. I can understand soft rebooting the character to have him in high school again and involved with Gwen Stacy rather than Mary Jane, but the first Maguire Spider-Man movie was that long ago. I don't think they needed to really retell the origin story. Maybe that's how they felt it was best to reintroduce Peter as a teenager, but I just have a feeling it's going to be deja vu and feel like wasted screen time.

PopcornTreeCt 07-23-11 09:06 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by anomynous (Post 10864816)
It's not true

Also: Low Quality Lizard pics

Yahoo is reporting it also. He was put under a citizen arrest.

Strevlac 07-23-11 10:35 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 10864954)
Everyone who complained about "emo" Peter Parker in Spiderman3, you were wrong, this is emo Spiderman!

Seriously, I like this cast, but every single thing about this looks wrong; wrong tone, wrong plot, unnecessary re-boot, another origin, too dark, etc, etc. It's all wrong for Spiderman/Parker, who as a character has gone through some serious shit, but is never dark nor brooding. And that POV segment looked worse than a video game.

I guess I'm the wrong audience for this, as it seems they're targeting the Twilight crowd. Further, in the press, the director of this new one is deriding the Rami films as if they're missteps or something. SP2 is one of the best superhero movies of them all, and while 3 head it's issues, it's not like it's Superman 4. To pretend the old ones weren't that hot, just to justify his shitty new take on it is pure bullshit.

This guy directed 500 Days of Summer. For that alone he deserves a massive cockpunch, much less for dissing the Raimi Spiderman flicks.


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