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Old 01-19-12 | 10:55 AM
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Re: Star Wars: The Phantom Menace...in 3-D for 2012

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Why couldn't Star Wars be treated like James Bond or Star Trek? Bring in fresh talent with new ideas and see what pans out.
Like Genndy Tartovsky or Dave Filoni (of the two different Clone Wars series).

I would love to see animated adaptations of the some of the comics/novels or even something like that one-shot Boba Fett live-action movie that one guy talked about.




Originally Posted by Mike86
Maybe not but that article made it seem like he's upset with some of the fans and makes it sound like we should feel bad for him or something that he is. Like I said before I think a lot of fans criticism wouldn't be so harsh if he didn't have such a big ego and would just realize that fans liked the original trilogy how it was. He could have made the changes he wanted as well but there's no reason he has to be the way he is and not allow for the originals to be available in proper form alongside the special editions. Add that to the fact that the changes never seem to end and the prequel trilogy it's easy to see why some fans dislike the guy.
You know how people will have problems in life, and things never seem to get better for them, and they finally ask "is it me?" Lucas needs to ask this, and the answer will be "somewhat".

I have never been an outright prequel basher, and there's somethings about the SE's I can get behind; but it's the refusal to keep the original versions of the OT out and available in high-quality versions that just keeps this burr under my saddle. That's *all* I want. When DVD was announced, I told myself I would wait until Star Trek and Star Wars were available. When Star Trek was announced, I jumped in thinking Star Wars wouldn't be far behind.

Paramount has proven only too willing to give fans what they want, and we're still waiting on George "the visionary" to really blow us away on DVD or Bluray.
Old 01-19-12 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Terrell
Lucas essentially retired after Return of the Jedi, when his wife abandoned him and their baby daughter
This, from The Secret History of Star Wars: In Tribute to Marcia Lucas, suggests otherwise:

"Lucas and his media interviews seems to give the strong impression that Amanda was raised by him alone--Marcia remarked to me that the 60 Minutes interviews and whatnot portray him as "Mr. Mom," without any mention of Marcia. While this may be true with his other two children, such is not the case with Amanda. "I might have left George," Marica wrote to me, "but I never left Amanda!" She had a 50% time share of her daughter, and raised her with George, even though they were divorced. Marcia wrote to me that she has been actively "involved in every aspect of her life. She has become an amazing, wonderful, really good human being." Marcia legally kept the last name Lucas so that her daughter would have parents with the same last name."

and rand off with half of his net worth.
Their net worth.

"In Marcia's defense, however, her settlement, either 35 or 50 million depending on the source, was fair when one considers her importance not just as Lucas' spouse but as his legitimate partner as well--as Lucasfilm president Bob Greber noted to Dale Pollock in his 1983 book, "people sometimes forget that Marcia Lucas owns half of this company and is a very important part of it." [ci] George himself may have even forgotten this; Marcia was not merely a gold-digger."
Old 01-19-12 | 02:39 PM
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Why couldn't Star Wars be treated like James Bond or Star Trek? Bring in fresh talent with new ideas and see what pans out.
Because it would be pointless. Does anyone really want Star Wars to become like Bond or Star Trek? It's gone further than it probably needed to go. Hindsight is 20/20, but it would have been better if the prequels weren't made. Does anyone honestly think more Star Wars films after Lucas is dead are going to remotely compare to the originals. The people who grew up with Star Wars have become the typical jaded, cynical adult. I'm not sure there's a director who could make a Star Wars that could live up to those first three films. They are iconic for a reason. Besides, there is a big difference between Star Wars and the Bond and Trek films. Those films are episodic. Star Wars is serial.

I say leave it alone forever, or just dilute the brand even more than it has been. I have no problem with the Clone Wars on Cartoon Network, and the quality has remained consistently high. But no more movies. You might just find out that making Star Wars films is exceedingly difficult, if not impossible for any filmmaker. Can you imagine how convoluted the story would become with another three films, with new characters.

This, from The Secret History of Star Wars: In Tribute to Marcia Lucas, suggests otherwise:
The fact is she walked out on her husband and left him with the baby. If she cared that much, why didn't she ask for custody?

A lot of that piece is also bunk. Marcia Lucas was not responsible for much of the great editing on those films at all. Especially with regards to Star Wars. Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew were the real heroes when it came to editing that film. The fact is, she didn't squat after ESB, and those two went on to distinguished careers. Her importance to those films is highly overrated and overvalued in that piece, from everything I've seen an read. Was she a valuable sound board and confidant for Lucas? I'm sure she was. But she wasn't the savior that piece makes her out to be. The whole piece sound like Marcia making excuses. It's a bit sad. She left him for another man, and became an exceedingly rich woman in the process. She'll get no sympathy from me. She made her own bed, and came out pretty well I'd say. Of course Lucas was bitter about the divorce, and was uncomfortable being around her. I would be too if my wife did that to me.

I suspect she was far more valuable on THX-1138 and American Graffiti. But then I'm not really all that knowledgeable on those films background.

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Old 01-19-12 | 03:04 PM
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Re: Star Wars: The Phantom Menace...in 3-D for 2012

Originally Posted by Terrell
Because it would be pointless. Does anyone really want Star Wars to become like Bond or Star Trek?
Michael Corvin, for one.

Lucas originally intended for Star Wars to be far more episodic than it turned out to be. Just because the film series so far has been serial doesn't mean episodic films in the same universe wouldn't work.

Originally Posted by Terrell
The fact is she walked out on her husband and left him with the baby. If she cared that much, why didn't she ask for custody?
She did ask for custody, and got split custody.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Lucas
Subsequent to her adoptive parents' divorce in 1983, legal custody of Amanda was equally split between George and Marcia as part of the terms of their settlement.
My parents had split custody of me and my siblings after their divorce; I never thought of either as having "abandoned" us.

Originally Posted by Terrell
A lot of that piece is also bunk. Marcia Lucas was not responsible for much of the great editing on those films at all. Especially with regards to Star Wars. Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew were the real heroes when it came to editing that film. The fact is, she didn't squat after ESB, and those two went on to distinguished careers.
She had already been nominated for an Academy Award for American Graffiti before working on Star Wars, and she started editing it before either Paul Hirsch or Richard Chew were hired on. She's credited as an editor on the film, something George Lucas isn't, even though he assisted with the editing as well. She got an Academy Award for it, along with Hirsch and Chew.

As for her career after ESB, she voluntarily stopped taking editing jobs. Eleanor Coppola asked her to edit the documentary Hearts of Darkness, but she turned it down. So you can't judge her importance to the editing of Star Wars based on her later output, or lack thereof.

The article is heavily annotated. You can check the notes and see where every fact mentioned comes from.

Originally Posted by Terrell
Her importance to those films is highly overrated and overvalued in that piece, from everything I've seen [and] read.
What have you seen and read? Was it mostly Lucasfilm-approved materials? The point of the piece is that Lucasfilm has actively downplayed her involvement and importance over the years.

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Old 01-19-12 | 06:00 PM
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Re: Star Wars: The Phantom Menace...in 3-D for 2012

and she started editing it before either Paul Hirsch or Richard Chew were hired on.
Which is precisely the point. When Hirsch and Chew were brought on, the film still had serious problems, especially with the editing. They've talked about what a mess the film was when they came on in countless interviews and documentary footage.

She had already been nominated for an Academy Award for American Graffiti before working on Star Wars
Never questioned her talents as an editor. I clearly stated that I questioned her impact, at least as the final product turned out on Star Wars. I give far more credit to the two gentlemen I mentioned.

What have you seen and read?
Almost everything that's been written or made about Star Wars, both approved and not.

Lucas originally intended for Star Wars to be far more episodic than it turned out to be. Just because the film series so far has been serial doesn't mean episodic films in the same universe wouldn't work.
Still wouldn't work. It doesn't matter what he might have intended. Star Wars is what it is. How are you all of a sudden going to make Star Wars films that have no relevance to the 6 we've already had? If you do sequels, you have to align and match up plot points and storylines with what has already come to pass. Does anyone really want to see episodic Star Wars films that are completely unrelated to the 6 we have? It's not Star Wars. It's some weak attempt at cashing in on the Star Wars name?

It's a pointless argument anyway. They aren't going to happen. Lucas has already said so. Even if you don't believe him, he's at the age where it's highly doubt it will happen, or whether he'd even want to put the energy into them. He's certainly not going to relenquish full control. If in the distant future when the rights expire, I will probably be gone and it won't matter.
Old 01-19-12 | 06:30 PM
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Re: Star Wars: The Phantom Menace...in 3-D for 2012

There's plenty of stories to be told in the star wars universe. You should be able to get trilogies out of any of the following scenarios:

Boba fett rising to prominence as a bounty hunter

Darth vader hunting leftover Jedi

Young Han solo (meeting chewie, winning the falcon, etc)

And those are just the painfully obvious examples. With the success of games like knights of the old republic, there will be plenty of well known characters toe xp.ore for years to come.
Old 01-19-12 | 07:33 PM
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Re: Star Wars: The Phantom Menace...in 3-D for 2012

I'd happily watch a well-made film set 1,000 years before or after the events of the six movies we have.
Old 01-19-12 | 09:01 PM
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Re: Star Wars: The Phantom Menace...in 3-D for 2012

Originally Posted by Jason
And those are just the painfully obvious examples.
Not to mention probably close to a thousand novels, games and comic books that expanded on the universe. Granted a precious few of those are great, but the point is there is an endless supply of potential stories in this universe and plenty of creative people out there that could make something special given the chance.

I mean is there anyone that actually thinks that there is no one out there that could make something as good as or better than the prequel trilogy?
Old 01-20-12 | 08:26 AM
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Hey Terrell, remember this post from about a month ago?
Originally Posted by Terrell
I can also assure you that this is my last post in this thread.


Originally Posted by Terrell
Which is precisely the point. When Hirsch and Chew were brought on, the film still had serious problems, especially with the editing. They've talked about what a mess the film was when they came on in countless interviews and documentary footage.
So how about these quotes:

Mark Hamill also notes in 2005 how her sensibilities influenced the content and structure of his films:

"You can see a huge difference in the films that he does now and the films that he did when he was married. I know for a fact that Marcia Lucas was responsible for convincing him to keep that little 'kiss for luck' before Carrie [Fisher] and I swing across the chasm in the first film: 'Oh, I don't like it, people laugh in the previews,' and she said, 'George, they're laughing because it's so sweet and unexpected'-- and her influence was such that if she wanted to keep it, it was in. When the little mouse robot comes up when Harrison and I are delivering Chewbacca to the prison and he roars at it and it screams, sort of, and runs away, George wanted to cut that and Marcia insisted that he keep it." [lviii]
"He asked Marcia to work on the final battle sequence, so ILM could start, but he needed someone else to start at the beginning," says Richard Chew, [lxi] whom Lucas knew from Coppola's The Conversation and John Korty's films, and was hired not long after Marcia began cutting. With the entire Jympson cut junked wholesale, the film needed to be re-ordered back into dailies so that Marcia and Chew could totally start over, a laborious task for the editors, assistants and film librarians.

By October or November 1976, the editing team had prepared a new rough cut; in the final crunch, the three editors began to trade off scenes as a trio. "We put it all together and spent about three or four days as a tag team," Hirsch says. "George, Richard, Marcia and I would sit at the machine each for a couple of hours, taking turns and making suggestions. The last day, we did this for about twelve hours." [lxix] Alan Ladd Jr. flew in for the screening, and walked out elated--he was convinced the film would be a hit.
"Marcia Lucas called me," Hirsch recalls. "And she said, 'Things are going a lot slower than we had hoped; our editor in England didn't work out and we're having to recut everything. We've got Richard Chew on the picture--but we're not getting enough done!'" [lxiv] He accepted the offer but admits being nervous. "I was a little intimidated," he says, "because both Marcia and Richard had been nominated for Academy Awards before, and I was just this kid from New York, but they were great." [lxv] He was stationed on the Moviola, but it did not agree with him. "I had forgotten how many years it had been since I had worked on one, so I was all thumbs, breaking the film, dropping it, and wasting a lot of time just trying to get the film to go through the machine. So Marcia said, 'I don't care, I'll work on the Moviola.' After that, I was working upstairs in George's room on the Steenbeck." [lxvi] Marcia and Chew remained downstairs, closer to the assistant editors and coding machine (used for syncing ILM shots). Marcia continued to work on the film as the months went by, trying to fashion a more emotional experience from what she had to work with.
The Death Star trench run was originally scripted entirely different, with Luke having two runs at the exhaust port; Marcia had re-ordered the shots almost from the ground up, trying to build tension lacking in the original scripted sequence, which was why this one was the most complicated (Deleted Magic has a faithful reproduction of the original assembly, which is surprisingly unsatisfying). She warned George, "If the audience doesn't cheer when Han Solo comes in at the last second in the Millennium Falcon to help Luke when he's being chased by Darth Vader, the picture doesn't work." [lxvii]

Originally Posted by Terrell
Never questioned her talents as an editor.
You did, or else I don't know what the hell your comment about her output post ESB was supposed to mean.

At least you've appeared to have conceded that she didn't abandon her child.

I'll let others debate the merits of episodic films set in the Star Wars universe, or of even another series made by a different director.
Old 01-20-12 | 08:43 AM
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I'd kill for some Old Republic movies. It's a huge rich universe that could definately support visions besides Lucas'.
Old 01-20-12 | 08:57 AM
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my ONLY problem with the Old Republic stuff is that the technology was essentially the same, 1000 years prior. Um, no.
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Re: Star Wars: The Phantom Menace...in 3-D for 2012

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Not to mention probably close to a thousand novels, games and comic books that expanded on the universe. Granted a precious few of those are great, but the point is there is an endless supply of potential stories in this universe and plenty of creative people out there that could make something special given the chance.

I mean is there anyone that actually thinks that there is no one out there that could make something as good as or better than the prequel trilogy?
This is better than the Phantom Menace

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That was completely awesome even though the timeline is all screwed up. Clone Troopers 1000 years ago?

Damn, would I watch the shit out of that movie.
Old 01-20-12 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TallGuyMe
my ONLY problem with the Old Republic stuff is that the technology was essentially the same, 1000 years prior. Um, no.
Which belies a greater point about technological stagnation and the presence of Jedi and Sith. Unfortunately, it's unlikely we'll ever see this concept explored in STAR WARS.
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Originally Posted by Jason
There's plenty of stories to be told in the star wars universe. You should be able to get trilogies out of any of the following scenarios:

Boba fett rising to prominence as a bounty hunter

Darth vader hunting leftover Jedi

Young Han solo (meeting chewie, winning the falcon, etc)

And those are just the painfully obvious examples. With the success of games like knights of the old republic, there will be plenty of well known characters toe xp.ore for years to come.
Actually, I consider those to be the worst ideas out there for new Star Wars content, and part of why the prequels were terrible.
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This is better than the Phantom Menace

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Yeah, because I'm sure more Star Wars films made 20-30 years from now will turn out just great. You can't catch lightening in a bottle twice. Besides, the rights will pass to his daughters, and he will make sure the people he wants in control after he dies, will be in control.

There doesn't need to be anymore Star Wars films, period. They should be untouchable from this point on.



Lucas essentially retired after Return of the Jedi, when his wife abandoned him and their baby daughter and rand off with half of his net worth. I'm also thinking he's not worried about whether anyone will miss him or not.
Speaking of that instance, there's a moment when during one of the behind the scenes shots it shows Lucas walking with his daughter sitting over his neck while the sail barge is in the background, all the furvor about him goes away and he seems humble if even for that one moment.
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Anyone have any predictions on how this will do? I doubt this will make more than 18 million on opening weekend; but given the worldwide appeal of the series, I don't think it should have too much of a problem breaking 100 million, when all is said and done. That should be enough to give the go ahead with Attack of the Clones.
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Anyone have any predictions on how this will do? I doubt this will make more than 18 million on opening weekend; but given the worldwide appeal of the series, I don't think it should have too much of a problem breaking 100 million, when all is said and done. That should be enough to give the go ahead with Attack of the Clones.
I am not interested in 3-D movies, but I wonder if they would started with Episode IV how much better it would do.
Old 02-01-12 | 06:55 AM
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I would go see the OT in 3D. Not the prequels.
Old 02-01-12 | 08:29 PM
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Ahem.
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I dunno man, the OP here got the drop on that thread by about four years.
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My nephew is begging me to take him to see this. Seriously contemplating just being a jerk and telling his parents to take him.
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Originally Posted by bluetoast
I dunno man, the OP here got the drop on that thread by about four years.
Plus this thread has the following prediction from years ago.

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No, because James Cameron is the main guy behind this new 3D movement, and he'll just redo Titanic in 3D himself if the record is in danger.
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Re: Phantom Menace to be released in 3D Next Spring

Haha. I don't even remember starting this thread. On topic, I saw the trailer for this with Haywire and it did absolutely nothing for me. I think them botching the Blu-Ray release really Star Wars'd me out of the whole franchise.

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