Eh.. I think it runs along the lines of Budd being in Texas and somehow burying The Bride in California somwhere and getting home before morning. (and of course The Bride WALKING back in time to confront Elle.. hehe).

I'll have to watch for it again, but I could've sworn the license plate on Budd's pickup truck is a California one.

Budd is in California. This point is muddled, because we assume this hick is living in a trailer in Texas. He says he hocked the sword in El Paso, and we think, "he is in El Paso". And for the record, he flat out states "In El Paso it's (the sword) worth $250" so no, unfortunately a Hanzo, althought that would be cool, didn’t save Marsellus. Also, the truck did have a CA plate, and yes, The Bride couldn't walk back to Texas.

So, recap, Budd lives in a trailer in a desert area of Southern California. He buried The Bride there. He died there. He claimed to have pawned the sword in El Paso, but he indeed did not. WE DO SEE THE HANZO SYMBOL ON THE SWORD. I’m pretty sure of this. The quotation that jough gave us is also flat out 100% proof. I'm sorry man, I know people are ragging on you, but seriously, the sword was made by Hatori Hanzo. See it again and pay real close attention.

Knowing O-Ren's was a Hanzo too is interesting, because I was wondering that myself when I was watching Vol 1 last night. The handle has little flowers and crap on it, I was wondering if Hatori would put shit like that on a sword. Which just made me think, when did Hanzo make that for her? He quit making swords 28 years ago. Perhaps Bill just had cool Hanzo swords laying around to hand out to his minions, but then why does O-Ren get one and not Elle, or Beatrix for that matter? I'm starting to think O-Ren's sword wasn't a Hanzo, but I'll rewatch and maybe look for the symbol.

What do you guys make of this sword business? But once and for all, Budd’s god damn sword is a Hanzo and he is living in Cali. If you still don't believe it, ask youself this, why would the owner of an El Paso strip club ask his bouncer not to wear a cowboy hat? I'm sure that would be some form of Texan Treason.

Hmm.. also the strip bar owner was coking up, more proof of California. Thanks for clearing that up, I've only seen it once and I probably associated the pawn shop line with his residence. However, I don't think O-Ren's sword is a Hanzo.. I don't recall ever seeing anything that suggested it would be, (or that it wouldn't be, for that matter).. I must've missed where that was broguth up in this thread.

I don't think Oren's was a Hanzo. I got the impression that only Bill and Budd were deemed worthy of a Hanzo and Oren, Elle, and Beatrix were denied the honor of owning one. Thats that Oren called the Bride a liar when she said it was a Hanzo sword and why Elle had to buy one from Budd.

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O-REN (ENGLISH)
That really was a Hattori Hanzo
sword...

Her sword FALLS from her grip...in the snow by her feet.

O-REN (ENGLISH)
I always dreamed of owning one...

O-Ren FALLS to her knees, toppling forward.

I guess you dreamed that line, too, because it's not in the film.

I thought when Elle was telling Bill where to leave the flowers if he was feeling sentimental was a cemmentary in Texas...

Yup. Line in the script, not in the movie..

Naw, she says "Go to Barstow, California - when you get here, walk into a florest..."

Yeah, I thought I remembered reading that line in the script. O-ren's reaction to the Bride saying she has a Hanzo sword: a shocked look while hissing "Usotsuke" ("Bullshit" or "You lie") seems to indicate jealousy, which helps support the idea that her sword wasn't a Hanzo.

Just saw it again, (I was watching for license plates this time around) and it most certainly is a California plate. :)

I just saw this for the first time the other night, and I'm going to attempt to put my spin on it as best I can.

Regarding the Superman speech and The Bride getting a double shot into her chest: maybe she really is superhuman?

Regarding the sword in Budd's golf bag: I don't see what the controversy is. Why in the HELL would Bill give anything BUT a Hanzo sword (damn, I can't believe I'm actually joining this debate)? I knew it was the same sword as soon as she pulled it out of the bag. It doesn't seem that tough to figure out.

Thirdly, I thought the red and black boots she was buried in belonged to Budd. I thought I remembered her looking under the door and seeing him in those boots. I couldn't figure out why he'd bury her in his boots, but I didn't notice what boots she was wearing. And finally, if indeed they were his boots (which would maybe explain how she could slide them off so easily), why was there still a blade in there? If this can be answered by saying, "Her boots were red and black", then just say it. No need to stretch this out and waste any more space than the Hanzo debate was.

I enjoyed the film, and I'm also glad that it was split into two volumes. As much as I enjoyed David Carradine's character, his monologues and slow speech would've worn me out if it had happened 2 and 1/2 hrs into the WHOLE FILM. With that said, I'm looking forward to the complete film the way the director wants it just to find out what it would be like.

Great film, just as good as Vol. 1 but a very different feeling. I heard Tarantino call it a love story of sorts, and I can't disagree with that. One gripe: I wish the swordplay at the end had been longer, but that's just me.

Ok, that's an interesting thought abouth the boots being Budd's, though I think they may just have looked the same. If they were his boots, I guess I could see how he might have actually felt a little bad for her and left the razor in there to give her one smidgen of a chance to work her way out.

The bigger question is why The Bride walked across the desert barefoot instead of putting the boots back on! :)

The boots were her boots. I made special note to check that on my third view.

She survived the shotgun blast because it was rock salt, not buckshot. Budd says this a few times.

I guess she didn't want to have to dig back down there to get them.

Budd's helper was pretty short, but the guy could stand on the top of a four foot step ladder and still not be seen over the top of the grave - so figure it's about nine or ten feet down, at least.

Plus, Quentin has a foot fetish, and likes to show Uma's (and every other actress's) feet.

Plus, the squishy scene wouldn't have been half as effective under a boot! :)

Uma's feet were a bit scary looking because her big toes were bent/formed to aim towards the middle of "fashionable" footwear that make it seem it's normal for feet to fit in shoes that have a point to them. Anatomically, her big toes looked painfully bound to fit such shoes.

Alright, I'm going to plead ignorance on this one. I heard him say "rock salt", but I didn't know if that was some lingo he was using just for effect. That helps to explain that situation. Thanks for the info.

You're not the only one, I had to look it up, and I've seen a lot of people confused about this. Tarantino could have made the difference a little clearer.

I didn't know what Rock Salt was (until this thread) but since he did mention it I figured it had some sort of significance as a shotgun blast from that close would've put ANYBODY into many pieces otherwise.

It all could have been made clear with a short animated interlude:

"The Hitchhiker's Guide has this to say on the subject of Rock Salt..."

Or, better yet, Elle could've looked it (rocksalt) up on the internet and read some factoids about it to the audience. Hooray for creative exposition.

Was anybody able to catch the brides first name clearly (but yet damn near next to impossible) in Vol.1 (and I'm not talking about the passport)?

I caught it and it's pretty damn cool - I'll post it in a spoiler tag if you want to know.

Also - DON'T BASH ME FOR NOT CHECKING OUT THE OTHER 10000 POSTS FOR THIS!!! ha - I promise I'll just delete this damn reply if it has already been mentioned.

:p

Hey, didn't you guys watch the Beverly Hillbillies growing up? Granny used to shoot people all the time with rock salt (and bacon rind), and they never died!

Enlighten us.

you can kind of hear it through the bleeps. then again, ive seen it about 5 times, and i know what it is. plus bill says her last name in the opening of vol 1. "you know somethin there Kiddo"

Ah, we came up with that months ago. Good try though. ;)

Does anyone know where I can get a transcript of Carradine's "Superman speech" towards the end of the film? Cause that ruled all

Bill: Superman stands alone. Superman did not become Superman, Superman was born Superman. When Superman wakes up in the morning, he is Superman. His alter ego is Clark Kent. His outfit with the big red S is the blanket he was wrapped in as a baby when the Kents found him. Those are his clothes. What Kent wears, the glasses the business suit, that's the costume. That's the costume Superman wears to blend in with us. Clark Kent is how Superman views us. And what are the characteristics of Clark Kent? He's weak, unsure of himself... he's a coward. Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race, sort of like Beatrix Kiddo and Mrs. Tommy Plumpton.

not sure if thats all of it or not, but its all thats on imdb, and the speech is not in the script

Thanks, that's most of it...all of it that's online anyway. But there's a part where he compares superman to batman and spider-man. Thanks though

Ok, having seen it a second time now, I officialy retract my previous observations on the Hanzo/Not Hanzo thing. The 'Elle and I' scene played out a bit differently for me this time, didn't pick up the things I thought I did before. Thanks to those who were willing to have a pleasent debate.

Heh Heh I woke up singing that dang song today.

Rock salt was also used by Tanya Roberts in A View To A Kill. That was the first time I had heard of it, and had I not seen the movie 19 years ago, I probably would not have realized what Budd was talking about.

Well I finally saw the movie. I enjoyed it.

But I have to say that I think the redemptive aspects of the movie are lost a bit by the movie being cut up in 2. If we had seen the ultra-gore, high intensity and then what happened in Part 2, I think it would have been more effective.

I think it's expected that you should see Vol. 1 first.

Actually, thats an interesting debate. Do you REALLY need to see volume 1 first?

I have a few friends that don't necessarily like QT's sadistic side, and they don't want to see a lot of blood and gore, so they don't want to see volume 1. In my opinion, Volume 2 is more of a love story with much less blood and gore. So I was thinking about showing them Volume 2 when the DVD comes out, but not showing them Volume 1 unless they wanted to see it afterwards. I was thinking about the effect that this would have. Would they get lost too early on? I don't think so, because not much meaningful story actually takes place in volume 1. I think there are a few lines in volume 2 that sum up volume 1 completely, so it is entirely possible for someone to see volume 2 without seeing volume 1 and still understand everything. I think my friends can enjoy volume 2 as a single movie.

The only thing that I worry about is that seeing volume 2 will ruin a good portion of volume 1. Especially the twist at the end of volume 1 where they announce that the child is still alive.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

I disagree. People would be wondering why the sudden change in the film from gore to western.