This actually holds true for many movies, ie - Lord of the Rings didn't really need to be 10 hours long - since in essence it's plot is guy tries to destroy ring, you can basically watch RotK with little prior knowledge. To be perfectly sure, this holds true for many, many movies. That said, as tends to be the debate these days, it's not "what happens" in a movie - but rather how it happens. So while you don't need Volume 1 of Kill Bill to enjoy Volume 2 to a huge extent, you're missing out on the journey - but if that doesn't matter much to you and you only care about the plot - then yeah Volume 2 stands alone nearly perfectly - just couple up the intro of the movie with the "List" poster for Volume 2 and you've got all the summation you really need.

According to this English QT intreview, there was a different Japanese version of Vol. 2, like there was for Vol. 1.

Has anyone (cultshock) seen this, or am I reading that he's holding it for the four-hour single release?

I thought this was pretty funny, but thats me :p

http://images.**************.com/mjo...hogunDingo.jpg

Yea that is pretty funny, but the kids got a few years until he walks. His first steps are going to be heart-breaking (seriously no pun intended).

Sorry, unlike for Vol 1, I wasn't able to be in Japan to catch the theatrical release for Vol 2 (bad timing :( )

However, I really haven't heard anything anywhere about a different cut of Vol 2. I have talked to people in Japan who saw the Japanese theatrical release, but they didn't see the US version in order to compare the two. Based on us talking things out, we couldn't discern any differences, but of course it's difficult to truly figure things out this way. I guess we might just have to wait until the Japanese DVD release. (if there is a limited edition of Vol 2, I'm getting it regardless, to go with my Vol 1 set :) )

What happened to the Death List in Vol 2? I didn't see it at all.

Thanks cultshock, figured it was worth a shot to ask you!

The Death List probably blew up in the ***** Wagon.

I watched Pulp Fiction the other night for the first time since seeing Vol. 2, and a thought came to me. I don't know if this has been mentioned or if it is even relevant at all.

At the end of Pulp Fiction, Jules Winfield says that he is just going to walk to Earth and stop where God tells him. Anyone else find it funny that Samuel L. Jackson now has a cameo in a film as a piano player/organist at church in the middle of nowhere? Yeah, he's got a different name, but it makes sense that a hired killer would take on a different name.

This is just something I thought about, and I found it kind of funny. Hope someone else finds it humorous as well.

Different character.. Cause if it was Jules Winfield the Deadly Viper Assasination Squad would have been dead that very day.

Interesting thought, you may have something here. It's funny to think about. Don't think we'll ever know. It'll probably be about as clear as whatever's in that damn breifcase.

That is really stretching it. Unless Mr. Brown really faked his death and ran off with the money from the bank robbery, moved to the valley and likes to buy his own coffee. you have to sort of accept that it's just Jackson playing a different character in the QT universe. nuff said.

One hell of a stretch unless Jules decided to pick up playing the organ with "everybody who has passed this through this town".

how so? One man against what....4 hired killers with machine guns?

Just to counter this, Mr. Brown was clearly dead in Reservoir Dogs as he had a bullet through his head. I assume someone will say, "well, that would make Mia Wallace the Bride", but that's not the point. SHe never made any comment about wanting to be a hired assassin and indeed had a past history. I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

Also, Jules Winfield swore off killing in the cafe, so we would have to assume that he was still "free and clear" while at the church. But, like we've said, it's just fodder for discussion like the briefcase and the disappearing/reappearing bullet holes.

But she did make a comment about filming a pilot. Perhaps Kill Bill was just that series on tv. -rolleyes-

Making the statement that Jules Winfield could ever possibly be Rufus, the Organ Player than I have a bridge I would like to sell you. And Rufus seems to be well established in the town making his roots and playing with anyone who comes through. Something someone who is ment to walk the earth wouldn't do.

It's wishful thinking. Atleast the briefcase had something to discuss because their was some meritt to it. "What is in the breifcase". This on the other hand is fan fiction.

Remember, He's a mushroom cloud laying mother #$#@#. Besides, god saved him once. He clearly wouldn't have died. :p


It's along the lines of the "Well their was a sword that was pawned off in Pulp fiction.. perhaps that was Bucks sword" discussion. It's pointless and just an attempt for the sayer of the unfound rumor to feel important or insightful on something that makes little to no sense or is ever hinted at.

I think it's safe to say Rufus was not Jules from Pulp Fiction. Tarantino himself has stated his so called rules regarding this, in that some of his films are in the "real" unvierse (Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs) some movies are in the "movie" universe (From Dusk Til Dawn, Kill Bill) and then there's Elmore Leonards universe. Tarantino himself made this distinction, stating that no character could cross from the "real" to the "movie" land except the Wolf. That's why you see Michael Parks sheriff from Dusk til Dawn in Kill Bill.

I mean was the sword in Pulp a Hattori Hanzo? While it could be, based on what Tarantino said more than likely not.

I saw Vol.2 but not sure what are the differences.Only thing I can say is that the voilence in the trailer park fight is good!

I was kind of hoping the Bride would tell an old Vaudevillian joke with a pun for a punchline.

I mean, there certainly are parallels between the DiVAS and Fox Force Five, insomuch as there were 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 of them.

But then again, in Kill Bill it was Vivica Fox's character who was the knife expert.

Hmm...just wanted to get post #500

Not really.

I disagree. I think it should be viewed the way it was meant to be seen.

while you are at it, Watch Return of the jedi before you watch a new hope. It is my contention that you are clearly insane.

No no no. What you need to do is watch The Two Towers first, then watch the first half of FOTR, the middle section of ROTK, then whatever is left. THAT"S a viewing experience.

With regard to Kill Bill, I recommend starting with Vol 2 at the end, and watching it in reverse, followed by Vol. 1. Backward sword fights kick ass.

He deleted his post. :lol:
Good thing Jack quoted it.

Yes, otherwise we would've missed an opportunity to deride someone's opinion.

sorry, the movie only came out here only recently

anyway,

here are two things i liked about kill bill vol. 2 (besides it being a great movie)

The tension between the Bride and Bill whenever they talk because something could or could not happen at any moment.

The fact that Tarantino uses actors (or heroes of his) from Japan and HK cinema even though they can’t speak English, but Tarantino manages to work his way around it.

that's all. :)

Ha ha ha. oh man, thanks joey. I almost forgot how funny it was me calling scott insane. :p oh man, good times, good times.

if you think that was weird, check out this review of kill bill 1 from pravda

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Putin is Samurai Sword by Hattori Hanzo
01/09/2004 11:03

The story of Tarantino's film heroes looks very much like the history of Russia

It is for about a month already that Tarantino's Kill Bill Vol. 1 is demonstrated in Russian cinemas. The place of the modern cinematography king has been vacant for six years. Now, Tarantino is back and has regained the position. No matter if Tarantino did it on purpose or not, but he has once again made a film for Russians. Nikolay Berdyayev, the famous Russian thinker, could characterize the film with the following phrase: "It's a film about beauty and the inevitability of revenge, a film about the eternal female essence of the Russian soul."

Everything is quite clear about the cinematographic perfection of the new film by Tarantino. Universally known filmmakers have been once again demonstrated Tarantino's genius. The film has given much food for reflection to some of modern Russian producers. The audience has finally got a good film so radically differing from second-rate films.

In this particular case we speak about the Russian audience. As follows from comments of the US audience, the only thing Americans have seen in the film was horrible violence. Americans do dislike violence but still go to cinemas and watch such films. In a word, this film is repeating the fate of Tarantino's Pulp Fiction, which is not a surprise at all. In spite of the fact that the film is permeated with American popular culture, the talent and the degree of artistic freedom characterize Quentin Tarantino as a purely Russian filmmaker. This means that Tarantino's basic audience is in Russia and his films are meant for the Russian audience.

This statement can hardly be proved. One should either accept it and take it as true, or to reject it (there are too many cases against to be enumerated here). Let us take the legendary Russian film Three Poplars in Plyushchikha Street. When Tarantino worked on the roles of Mia and Vincent in Pulp Fiction, he in fact repeated all the finds of Russian film producer Tatyana Lioznova employed in Three Poplars in Plyushchikha Street. In both films the audience perceives the tension of the unsaid among the pairs. Both filmmakers penetrate even deeper than the sphere of consciousness and emotions. In the legendary Russian film, the heroine of Tatyana Doronina was good at singing, while the heroes of Uma Thurman and John Travolta were perfect dancers.

Kill Bill Vol. 1 is a romantic fairytale narrated with the hyper modern movie language. The heroine of Uma Thurman revenges herself upon her former special forces brother-soldiers, the people who had attempted to kill her in the ninth month of pregnancy. This is the story line of the American film. To be more precise, Kill Bill is a film about a revengeful woman. This is a really burning problem for Russia today.

It takes little effort to see that the heroine of Uma Thurman is personified Russia. Pregnant Uma dressed in a wedding dress lies severely beaten in the church. This is an exact image of Russia of the late 1990s when the country experienced a default and the Chechen war. Then go death of the baby (this means loss of the future for Russia) and four years of coma (the first period of Vladimir Putin"s presidency in Russia).

The action of the film begins when the heroine of Uma Thurman recovers from coma and experiences almost the same emotions that Russia is currently going through. When recovered, the heroine sees the world disfigured with the injustice that had got so deeply rooted over the four years of her coma. An illusion appears at this moment that the unjust world where her enemies live is incredibly stable and will exist forever. The unjust world would have existed forever if the heroine of Uma (Russia) had died in the church or somewhere in a hospital. But the heroine came to herself; the world realized its ugliness that must be immediately improved.

The lost harmony can be restored in two ways: either through forgiveness (in the particular case of Russia - through economic and any other kind of amnesty) or through vengeance. Quentin Tarantino does not put the heroine into the dilemma. In the course of the film, no doubt arises that the revenge is justified. The audience is given no right to doubt, as its role is to sympathize with the avenger and wish her luck. Thus, the line of the film corresponds with the actual program of Vladimir Putin's second presidential period. A saying that Tarantino puts at the very beginning of the film sound very much in Putin's style: "Revenge is a meal that must be served cold." A true avenger never lets anger cloud his eyes; an object of his revenge as such has no value for him. He focuses on his revenge only and hopes to restore harmony.

If we interpret the heroine of Uma Thurman as Russia, who is Vladimir Putin then? In Tarantino's film, the image of the Russian president appears as a Samurai sword made by master Hattori Hanzo. The audience may interpret the image of the master pretending to be just a barman as Russian special services that have had no effect upon the fate of the country for a rather long period already.

In the first part of the film, the heroine revenges herself upon women only. A conclusion can be made in this case that during the second presidential period of Vladimir Putin Russia will deal with its domestic enemies - oligarchs and bureaucrats assisting them. The audience will not see the killing of Bill in the film. At the end of the film he pronounces that the baby Uma's heroine remains alive. This sounds against the background of suggestions made by western analysts that Russia may regain its position among the world leaders in 2010-2015.

Read the original in Russian: http://news.pravda.ru/society/2004/01/06/59238.html

I think he lied about the sword because he wanted to get some feelers out to see how much it was actually worth.

No, he lied about it to see how pissed off his brother would get. He knew how much the sword was worth... but it was one of those things given that you would never get rid of, and he would rather live in squalor than sell it. He had no attachment to The Bride's Hanzo sword, and as such had no problems trying to sell it to Elle.

Just saw more of it again last night. The scenes with Bill just keep getting better and better with each viewing. Hope the same stands for his absent scenes.

In all honesty, both movies grow on me more with each viewing.

Kill Bill: Volume 2 thoughts (part 2)
 

...for anyone who doesn't want to sift through 21 pages of posts for an answer. :)

So what's the deal with Elle Driver? Are we to assume she dies? The purpose of the film was for (bleep) to kill each of the squad one by one, and everyone did meet their (fairly) obvious death at her hands. But Elle Why would be left asking at all?

Just curious. Anyone have a take on this?

The official answer in the film (closing credits) is: ?

It leaves the fate of Cailfornia Mountain Snake to the imagination of the viewers.

I guess I missed that. Gives me a good excuse to watch the movie again though. :)

I know this has nothing to do with actual content of the movie, but does anybody know if this is Guarenteed In Stock at Hollywood Video?

Here's what you do:

1. Call Hollywood Video.
2. Ask the person who answers the phone "Is Kill Bill Volume 2 guaranteed in stock?"
3. When you hang up after receiving your answer, look in the mirror and say "Now why didn't I think of that?!?"
4. Have a great day.

;)

I share a cubicle with my superior so it's much easier to post something here then call. Anyways I did get a chance to call and it's not, but Johnson Family Vacation is guarenteed. WTF!

I really liked the scene with Michael Jai White (Urkel is all grown up!) but it was a bit over the top with "I will destroy you because my kung fu is stronger than your kung fu" kitsch.

As it is, I think our full-on introduction to Bill was so much better in Vol. 2.

So I guess what I'm saying, finally, is that I am now GLAD that he broke up the film into two chapters, and that I think the final product is better because of it.

That's not Urkel :hscratch:

I thought all new releases at those stores were supposed to be guaranteed in stock :(