The sword was a Hanzo sword. Look up a page or so for a script quote from that scene.

The point was that Budd didn't really hock his sword, and that the Bride and Elle were having a Hanzo-on-Hanzo fight.

The Bride didn't take the other sword because she is a killer, not a thief.

Also, she doesn't need it. She's not out for money and she's been trained to wield one blade. A second would just mess her up.

Well she did use two swords in the house of blue leaves battle.. but that's a seperate issue. ;)

It's a hanzo sword. I don't see why there is a debate about it. It's clear Budd was just trying to play it off to bill like he didn't give a damn.

If Vol 3 is made in 15 years I would imagine that the sword left behind will be what Nikki uses.

Against many simultaneous opponents in a non-stop fight where she had to move on her feet and not even think. She was just surviving in that fight, she wasn't paying attention to niceties of style.

Maybe she was a replicant?

She could be. That's fine. Just as long as Deckard ISN'T! :D

Does anyone know the name of the song that is playing when The Bride is punching the board for the first time? It's not on the soundtrack. Thanks.

I think that was an RZA special. Unfortunately the soundtrack doesn't contain those snippets like the Vol. 1 ST did.

Something I noticed while watching this film. I noticed that whenever someone says "Ah, so" it sounds exactly the same as how Sho Aikawa's cyborg character says it in Dead Or Alive Final when someone speaks to him in a language that he doesn't understand. Anyone that has seen both films have any thoughts on this?

I didn't see Dead or Alive Final, so maybe I'm not really sure what you are getting at. The way that Bill and Beatrix said the line didn't sound particularly unusual to me.

Yeah, I think it's only really apparent if you've seen Dead Or Alive Final, what I was getting at is maybe QT threw in a reference to that film by doing this which I think would be cool as the Dead Or Alive series is one of my favorites.

I don't think it's from Dead or Alive Final (didn't originate at least) as I recall hearing that long ago. Of course, I do have an chinese family, maybe it's kanji I know nothing about.

That said, yes - it was said that way for a purpose, where its from though? I don't know.

I've heard the "Ah, so" in other films from before Dead or Alive Final. It's just used a LOT in Dead or Alive Final, so you notice it a lot more.

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Yeah, now I wanna know where I've heard it dammit .

Well, i'm not convinced... not saying i'm right, but definatly have to see it again.

Main reasoning as said above, she deliberatly turns the inscription away from Elle (Why ?? The only thing she would have to hide is evidence that it is NOT a Hanzo sword since she is trying to convince Elle that it is), plus we never see the Hanzo engraving on the sword itself. (Although on the Tonight Show, David Carradine said Bill's sword was supposed to have a Devil engraving instead of the Dog, but believe it was still a Hanzo).

A Hanzo on Hanzo fight would have been interesting but it never came down to that, only an intial clash... A Hanzo vs non-Hanzo fight has more tension with the main character at a disadvantage, even if it's only the one clash.
Plus scripts change... middle of filming "Hey wouldn't it be better if she thinks she found a Hanzo sword then pulls it out and it has a cheesy inscription on it ?"

Also Budd is very eager to sell the Brides Hanzo after Bill tell's him a Hanzo is priceless, which may mean he actually did sell his cheap but kept a 'lesser' sword from his brother due to sentimentality.

Could be another 'What's in the briefcase ?' thing that your never meant to know for sure.

If it wasn't a hanzo blade it wouldn't have lasted when the blades were going against each other. simple as that. Hanzo sword has been seen to cut through all others with ease.

Budd may not like bill anymore or they have there differences, but he already has a sword and thus, wouldn't want to keep the brides when he can easily sell it to elle for a million.

No, this isn't a "what's in the briefcase" We never assumed what was in it off what qt gave us. He makes us pull it together that the sword is a hanzo sword.

look at the facts:

Bill Gave budd a sword
Bill Gave budd a Hanzo sword
Budd has a sword in his room that was a gift from Bill
simple logic. The sword is the one bill gave him.. which was a hanzo sword.

Here's an early draft of the script

The BRIDE'S POV:
She watches from a high perch, Budd practicing with a ...
SAMURAI SWORD.

The BRIDE
searching under his bed, she sees a sword on the floor,
resting in a shiny, black wood mahagony sheath. She removes
it from its hiding place.

WOOD SHEATH
Its one of Hanzo's sheaths. She opens it. It is a Hanzo
sword. Near the handle, etched in the steel, are the English
words; "To My Brother Budd, The Only Man I Ever Loved, from
Bill."

She closes the sheath, this will do. She sees a pair of
cowboy boots. Picks one up and places the sole of the boot
against the sole of her foot. Her feet and this man's boot
are around the same size. She slips her dirty feet in them.

She's good to go.

EXT. DESERT

Elle crawls from the wreckage of the Trans Am, holding the
Hanzo sword, looking like she's just been in a car wreck.

A cut on her head makes blood run down the side of her face.
Luckily for her, not the side with the good eye.

The camper door swings open. The Bride emerges from Budd's
home, looking like a Barbie doll that's been dug up after ten
years buried in the backyard, carrying a Hanzo sword. Every
footfall creating a cloud of dust.

The two women, each carrying a samurai sword, face each other
in showdown position.

A shark smile spreads across Elle's face.

Cue the "Jaws" theme...

Holy Christ.. I can't believe this is even being debated.

Seriously. I really have to wonder if he just can't put it together, or if he's just doing this to see how much he can get people to argue over an obvious point.

Basically, if Budd sold his Hanzo sword, why would he have bought a replacement, then gotten it engraved?

Yea this is silly. But also, why would Bill give his brother (the only man he ever loved) anything less than the best?

I'd like to bring up a different point. Bill never knew his father and aquired many father figures. His mother was apparantly a prostitute (I gather Estaban was atleast one of her pimps, could be way off here though). So do Bill and Budd have different fathers? They seem to have a pretty wide age difference, I'd say atleast 10 years. If that's the case then if they have the same father, Bill would probably know him.

I don't think Bill and Budd are real brothers, but rather symbolic brothers.

I don't think Beatrix is out for revenge, she just couldn't find a job after coming out of a coma and had nothing to do. Hey, when a girl has nothing to do, she usually gets a one-way ticket to Okinawa and convince a sword master maker to come out of retirement to make her a kickass sword just so she can slice and dice. At least it was on the original script. ;)

Just saw it again yesterday. Elle asks the Bride "Is that Budd's Hanzo?" and the Bride nods. Elle then notes that Budd said he pawned it, and the Bride says "I guess that makes him a liar then."

See, he lied about selling the Hanzo. Get it?

I've seen some interesting things debated before, but never something that was EXPLICITLY stated in the film.

Sheesh.

Yeah no kidding. What a stupid debate.

I thought it was extremely obvious that Budd kept his Hanzo sword for sentimental reasons, but he was pissed that Bill kept wanting him to do more assassin stuff, so he told Bill that he pawned it. He knows that telling that to Bill would piss him off and it works.

The movie does nothing to make you think that it isn't a Hanzo sword. If you want to argue that it isn't a Hanzo sword, then you are basically arguing with the movie's script. Thats just dumb.

1. Movie mentions that Budd had/has a Hanzo sword that Bill gave to him.
2. Budd tells Bill that he got rid of the sword for super cheap because he didn't need a sword anymore. It is obvious he is lying to piss off Bill, because he said he pawned it for really cheap. I don't believe for a second that he didn't know it was worth more than that.
3. Budd is willing to sell Uma's Hanzo for a million bucks. Why? Because he already has one!
4. Not much later, Uma finds a sword in Budd's trailer. It is enscribed from Bill. Ding Ding Ding. Why is it not obvious at this point?
5. Uma tells Elle that it is Budd's Hanzo. We have no reason to believe she is lying.
6. Uma kicks butt with it (against her own Hanzo), confirming once again that it is a Hanzo.

It is completely worthless to argue, because the movie makes it extremely obvious.

No kidding. Tons of interesting things to discuss about this movie and we get:

"I thought Bill worked for the Bride?"

and

"OMG Budd's Sword is not a Hanzo WTF LOLOLOLOL"

I saw this friday and was pleasantly surprised as I wasn't a huge fan of the original. It was just too much action/style, not enough substance IMO and was a little too over the top IMO.

The second slowed things down, had more charater development and was just much better as a whole IMO.

I think I'd have enjoyed the whole thing better if it had came out as one movie with some stuff I personally didn't care much for cut out (anime scene, house of blue leaves fight shortened up) to make the pacing better when watching the whole thing.

I agree. Although I still enjoyed both films very much for totally different reasons.

Pai Mei cracks me up so much, I love seeing more of him in Kill Bill Volume -0.045521

:D

"Ah, so" is just a Japanese way of saying "I see". Its a short form of saying "Ah, so desu" (which is sometimes said as a question, "So desu ka?" which is more of an equivalent to "Really?"). It can also be further shortened to just "So", without the interjection "Ah" (not really a Japanese word, just a sound).

Bill and Beatrix both know Japanese, so I could see them using the expression from time to time. I don't really think its a homage to a film or anything.

Well, okay, but in Dead or Alive Final one character says it in response to just about every line, to the point where it's a defining characteristic of the film, so it's possible that it is an homage.

No.









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Ok people... it's just an observation, I said I may not be right (and have no problem not being right).... but at least a few other people picked up on it as well. The script is the only postitive evidence anyone has provided and I am not aware of it's source as it obviously isn't what is on film. Everything else everone is saying is just as interperative as my observations..
If you don't want to play please feel free to move along... plus it's not like more irrelevant stuff hasn't been 'discussed' around here.

Yes, but the scene could also show that Budd has fallen from a kick ass fighter into a trailer trash loser who did sell a valuble item for a few bucks.

Does it ??? I don't remember it stating that Bill gave the sword to Budd... Bill only asked if he still had it.

It's not obvious because of #1 above and we never see the Hanzo engraving.

Because movie characters always tell the 'truth' ?

The Bride may be trying to bluff Elle... again, the main thing that makes me question the sword is that The bride intentionally turns the inscription away from Elle at this point to hide it... WHY ??? No one addresses this. I thought she may be turning the Hanzo engraving towards Elle to show her but I didn't see it.... do we ever see the other side of the sword ?



Was O-Ren's sword a Hanzo ?? She held up for a while with hers for longer than the Bride-Elle battle.


Despite the Captain Obvious posts, I think the scene can play out either way just fine in the context of the movie... i'm really not arguing just to argue or trolling, I could find a million other subjects if I wanted to do that. So no more "OMG U HAV3 N0 C1U3, WTF !!!!!!!!111111!1" post thankyou.

It's a Hanzo blade. nothing is pointing otherwise

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I do have to say this, though. This line of conversation dearly makes me want to go watch Dead Or Alive 2 and Dead Or Alive Final again.

The sword is engraved:

"To Budd, the only man I ever loved. -- Bill"

Because we're being shown the engraving.

Yes, O-Ren also has a Hanzo.

I can see how people would debate things that happen off-camera, or motives of characters, etc., but you're arguing about things that were explicit in the film. There's nothing in the film to support your argument that Budd's sword was not a Hanzo. There's a lot to support that it is.

I read on another forum someone arguing that the Bride didn't really kill Bill, and that she just knocked him out. When questioned about his sanity or crack use he said "Well, you never do see him die, do you?" and of course, you DO see him die. I suppose for some people they need to flash up title cards like:

BILL IS REALLY DEAD NOW
HE IS NOT JUST KNOCKED OUT
HIS HEART EXPLODED INSIDE HIS CHEST

Or maybe, getting back to the topic at hand:

THE BRIDE IS HOLDING BUDD'S HANZO SWORD
SEE, BUDD LIED ABOUT PAWNING IT
IT WAS GIVEN TO HIM BY BILL
SEE THE INSCRIPTION?
THE BRIDE IS BATTLING ELLE WITH BUDD'S HANZO SWORD
ELLE IS HOLDING THE BRIDE'S OWN HANZO SWORD
THIS FIGHT IS A CLASH OF THE HANZOS
IT IS A KUNG FU MOVIE TRADITION

AH SO

I guess some people have small bladders or get sleepy in a dark room, and tend to miss much of the film they're watching.

Jough, you rock. :lol:

Why does she turn the sword the way she does? It's simple, she wasn't holding it in an attack position. The flick the wrist let Ellie know that it was now on, and she was now ready to kick some ass.

But that having been said, I think there might be something to your idea, please indulge my insanity. We aren't told when this movie takes place (if you ignore the "In 2003 Uma Thurman will Kill Bill" line from the trailers), but since Earl McGraw is alive in this film, despite dying in From Dusk Til Dawn, perhaps this film takes place before that film, and if that's the case, maybe it takes place before Pulp Fiction. And maybe Budd did pawn the sword.

I was watching Pulp Fiction last night, and when we get to the "Marcelus squeals like a pig" scene, Butch saves him with a samurai sword, a sword from a pawn shop... Could it be that Budd did pawn his Hanzo, and that sword went on to save Butch and Marcelus?

I don't believe this theory for a second, but the coincidence of a pawned samurai sword in both films made me think of the connection.

But the fact that Budd's sword was in a Hanzo case, and that it was able to match the Bride's own Hanzo, makes it pretty clear it's the real thing.

El Paso and Los Angeles are not the same thing.

Does anyone know where to get the song "Sunny Road To Salina" by Bernard Girard-Christophe that plays over the bootleg trailer for Vol 2? My searches and ITunes turn up nada.

He didn't say where he sold it. Also, wasn't there conflicting info given about where Budd actually was? Or maybe it was in the script.

EDIT: Oops, I meant "He didn't say where he sold it" not "He did say." Maybe he hocked it while on vacation, or before he moved to El Paso.