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Josh Z 09-17-19 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Coral (Post 13608826)
That's a big-ass release in terms of minutes.
To be honest, I was somewhat underwhelmed with it. It was ambitious and was decent - but there were just many boring parts. It could've easily been trimmed by an hour or more.

The Director's Cut is much better than the theatrical cut. The long version is really intended to be viewed in three parts like a miniseries, which is how it aired on German television.

Wenders' movies have never been known for being "tight." The loose, freewheeling vibe is part of his style. I can understand why some people would find that boring, but many of his movies are very enjoyable if you just sink into them and let Wenders take you wherever he feels like going.

That said, his earlier work is much better than his later work, and Until the End of the World is sort of the turning point where his movies started going downhill.

Coral 09-17-19 11:11 PM

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^ Yea, I saw the Director's cut and didn't watch it in one sitting - and it was still too long.

I loved Paris, Texas and Wings of Desire. I even didn't mind Don't Come Knocking.

Hazel Motes 09-18-19 01:59 AM

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Wim Wenders's documentaries are still of the highest calibre. His movies with actors and a script, not so much. Kind of funny how similar that is with his fellow countryman Werner Herzog.

Josh Z 09-18-19 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hazel Motes (Post 13609651)
Wim Wenders's documentaries are still of the highest calibre. His movies with actors and a script, not so much. Kind of funny how similar that is with his fellow countryman Werner Herzog.

Don't you dare disparage Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans! :)

Josh Z 09-18-19 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Coral (Post 13609616)
^ Yea, I saw the Director's cut and didn't watch it in one sitting - and it was still too long.

I loved Paris, Texas and Wings of Desire. I even didn't mind Don't Come Knocking.

I'd equate Until the End of the World more with some of his very early films, like Kings of the Road, which is three hours long and doesn't really come together until the last half.

inri222 09-18-19 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 13609748)
Don't you dare disparage Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans! :)

My Son, My Son, What Have Ye Done

Hazel Motes 09-18-19 04:45 PM

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Yeah I like both of those. I'm talking more recently. I thought Queen of the Desert and especially Salt and Fire were both pretty lousy.

dex14 09-26-19 01:44 PM

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Sidney Lumet's Fail-Safe https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058083/

Norm de Plume 09-29-19 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hazel Motes (Post 13609651)
Wim Wenders's documentaries are still of the highest calibre. His movies with actors and a script, not so much. Kind of funny how similar that is with his fellow countryman Werner Herzog.

This comment could have come from my typewriter, at least as regards Herzog. Wenders's fiction films are better than Herzog's, though his Americophilia irritates.
Of those I have seen, the only fiction film of Herzog's I like is Kasper Hauser. Lessons of Darkness, imo his best documentary, is visually and narratively mesmerizing. Aguirre and Herz aus Glas, which I viewed (attempted to, at least) 25+ years ago, are both so intolerably pretentious and stone-cold boring (I don't bore easily) that I decided I had much better things to do than to further explore his fiction oeuvre.

LorenzoL 10-16-19 08:32 PM

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Criterion January 2020 list of releases:

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LorenzoL 10-16-19 08:33 PM

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I'm very excited about more Almodovar plus Holiday is being released.

Decker 10-16-19 09:56 PM

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I've never seen it but I remember hearing that All About My Mother was an excellent film.

Hazel Motes 10-17-19 03:47 AM

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In for Godard, Almodovar and both Lumet.

All About My Mother remains my favourite Almodovar film. It's one of those films that keeps setting up confrontations and foreshadowing powerful scenes, but other lesser films would handle them differently, the character would keep their feelings to themselves or it would be alluded to happening offscreen, but EVERYTIME Almodovar delivered. He would set the scene for an epic encounter, tease that you might not get it, then would unleash it like phoenix rising from the ashes. This happened over and over. Great film.

Hokeyboy 10-17-19 08:52 AM

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Todo sobre mi madre is one Almodovar's best (and a wonderful introduction to Penelope Cruz back in the day). Between this and the magnificent Hable con ella, Mala Educacion, and Volver, Almodovar entered the 21st Century stronger than any other director I can think of.

Fail Safe is a masterpiece and an easy purchase. I've never seen The Fugitive Kind but I'll watch anything Lumet has directed.

dex14 10-17-19 09:39 AM

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January is great. I will probably get all of those in the February flash sale.

Coral 10-17-19 01:20 PM

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So the High-definition digital restoration of The Fugitive Kind was done before Lumet died in 2011, since it's director approved?

OldBoy 10-18-19 05:13 PM

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in for Fugitive and Mother. love Almodovar and never saw Mother, but Talk to Her, Volver and I was so taken with The Skin I Live In are just so great..

EinCB 10-27-19 11:22 PM

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Jason 11-09-19 06:53 PM

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Criterion 1000 is indeed the Godzilla Showa collection. It's eight discs, fifteen original Japanese movies plus Godzilla, King of the Monsters with Raymond Burr and the American re-edit of King Kong vs. Godzilla. The 2011 commentary track for the original Gojira and several international English dubs are included. All new subtitle translations included for each movie too. Trailers and extras too, of course.

However, If you want to display it on the shelf with the 997, 998, 999... forget it. This is an oversized collection in an 11x14 hardback book, with the movies on 8 discs in pockets at the back of the book. Looks to have a decent essay and breakdown of each movie, plus a lot of cool art that would have lost its impact if printed in the standard case size insert.

I rediscovered Godzilla in the mid 90's when the Heisei series started showing up in the US as bootlegs. I don't think I ever expected such a complete set of original versions to ever be released outside of Japan. Can't wait to dig in to this and go through the entire series.

Josh-da-man 11-10-19 06:53 AM

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Someone will probably make a custom 8-disc case for the Godzilla set, so #1000 can go on the shelf with the other Criterions, and the big retail package can be safely placed on a bookshelf.

milo bloom 11-10-19 10:09 AM

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Yeah, I hesitated on this at first but ended up pulling the trigger. Once I had it in my hands, I saw how truly cool the presentation is. It really is a great conversation piece and great coffee table book.

But I think for this price, Criterion could have done it where you have the big awesome book, but then the discs are in a normal shelf sized box.

Over at Bluray.com there's already customs coverart art being made, I'll probably end up doing that at some point.

Dan 11-10-19 10:12 AM

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For those curious... King Kong vs. Godzilla only has the US version on Disc 2.
If you want the Japanese (and, ultimately, superior version? I haven't watched either one yet...), it's on Disc 8, the special features disc.

This is more than likely because of some weird licensing agreement barring Criterion from putting both cuts on the same disc...

Josh-da-man 11-10-19 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan (Post 13637603)
For those curious... King Kong vs. Godzilla only has the US version on Disc 2.
If you want the Japanese (and, ultimately, superior version? I haven't watched either one yet...), it's on Disc 8, the special features disc.

This is more than likely because of some weird licensing agreement barring Criterion from putting both cuts on the same disc...

Maybe they plan on releasing discs 2-7 individually at some point, and including the Japanese cut of KKvG would be cost-prohibitive.


dex14 11-11-19 08:35 AM

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Amores Perros 20th anniversary remaster in the works for next year (12:26):

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Why So Blu? 11-11-19 11:01 AM

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Fuck yeah!

dex14 11-15-19 01:02 PM

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February 2020:

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dex14 11-15-19 01:04 PM

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I think it is a shame they didn't do their first 4K disc with Roma.

Actually, same with Cold War. Both have 4K presentations from their streaming distributors.

Dan 11-15-19 02:19 PM

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^ agreed on both.

Mike86 11-15-19 02:49 PM

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I don’t care about Roma, but hopefully this is the start of a partnership between Netflix and Criterion and eventually Criterion will snatch up the rights to release The Irishman on Blu-ray.

Brian T 11-15-19 03:47 PM

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The Zeman films are really unique. Nice to see elements of their U.S. releases included among the bonus features. All three have been available in excellent region-free special editions for a while now from Second Run in the U.K. I've got Munchausen, but have been hovering over the other two waiting for price drops, so assuming the Criterion set comes closed to duplicating the comprehensive collected supplements of the U.K. editions, it might be better to wait for a Criterion sale down the road.

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Coral 11-15-19 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dex14 (Post 13640685)
I think it is a shame they didn't do their first 4K disc with Roma.

Actually, same with Cold War. Both have 4K presentations from their streaming distributors.

At this point, I'm not sure Criterion will ever release 4K discs. It's probably too small a market for them (ie. art film lovers who've adopted 4k).

Criterion released their first BD titles 2.5 years after the studios did.
In another 3 months it will be 4 years since the first UHD-BD titles. Criterion has yet to make any announcements, nevermind give us an actual date.

milo bloom 11-15-19 04:45 PM

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4k is a niche of an already niche hobby. And Criterion is already a niche of that niche hobby. Two niches don't make a salable product.

That Karel Zeman looks interesting, might pick that up next sale.

Hazel Motes 11-15-19 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan (Post 13640732)
^ agreed on both.


I agree on both as well, but at the same time I'm supremely thankful about the possibility of a Netflix/Criterion partnership moving forward.

OldBoy 11-15-19 07:17 PM

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Can’t wait for Amores Perros. Such a great movie, from a now top tier, multi-Oscar winning director. And having Irishman and Dolemite Blus from them would be awesome! Maybe even El Camino with some good extras and commentaries...

rbrown498 11-15-19 08:18 PM

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Now if only Criterion could hook up with Amazon and give us The Handmaiden.

Still, I'm awfully excited about Roma.

Dr. Mantle 11-16-19 04:21 PM

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VERY excited about the Zeman set. I just found out about that version of Munchausen a few weeks ago.

A Netflix/Criterion partnership sounds like a great arrangement, but I think it'd be a director's request type of situation. Wes Anderson really wants his films in the CC, so the studios he makes movies with accommodate him.

Except for Last Temptation, what Scorsese films have even appeared in the CC in the DVD/BD era?

rocket1312 11-16-19 04:41 PM

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Age of Innocence

Dr. Mantle 11-16-19 06:49 PM

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Oh yeah. And now that I'm actually looking at their site, he also did that World Cinema Project.

But it's still kinda weird that such a prestigious director (especially with five decades of film under his belt) only has two of his own films in the collection. I don't expect Warner to hand over Goodfellas, but what about After Hours? Scorsese's also done a ton of documentaries and shorts, many of which have never had a home video release.

rocket1312 11-16-19 07:58 PM

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It was only very recently that Warner started licensing anything at all, and it's possible Criterion has the rights to some, but they have such a huge backlog of titles that they may not get to them anytime soon.

dex14 11-17-19 06:25 PM

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After Hours has been rumored for a while.


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