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Josh Z 06-20-13 10:49 AM

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The Region B Blu-ray of Mulholland Drive from Studio Canal is pretty decent. The movie's cinematography has always been a bit cheap-looking owing to its TV roots.

Universal has the American distribution rights for the movie, so a potential Criterion edition would have to be licensed from them. Criterion got Brazil and a few other titles out of Universal, so it's definitely possible.

We already know that Eraserhead is in the works. That will no doubt be a direct port of existing foreign Blu-ray editions (which look great).

Lost Highway (also a Univeral title on these shores) is pretty badly in need of remastering. The foreign Blu-rays for that one are very mediocre.

Josh Z 06-20-13 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 11737090)
I wonder if they'll darken the nudity like they did on the dvd.

The optical blurring in that scene is mandated in Laura Harring's contract. So, yes.

If you have your Brightness levels set properly, this is a non-issue. You're not supposed to be able to see anything in the shadows there in the first place. This only became a controversy when people paused the scene and cranked up the Brightess hoping to catch a glimpse of Harring's pubes.

islandclaws 06-20-13 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by riotinmyskull (Post 11736894)
OH. MY. FUCKING. GOD. PLEASE. YES. :thumbsup:

This x infinity.

slowcloud 06-21-13 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by LPMA (Post 11737631)
I'm really optimistic but trying to remain cautious at the same time. They do tweet and post pictures of 'important' films they won't ever release from time to time.

One thing's for sure, it's a total Day 1 purchase from me. And I mostly tend to wait for half off sales.

I was thinking the same thing. My hopes are cautious but would def. purchase, as I consider this the greatest film of that decade. Saw it in the theater and I never forgot the experience.

rocket1312 06-21-13 09:22 AM

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I'm not saying they're definitely going to release this, and I would agree that this tweet alone doesn't mean a thing, but there's been other evidence that Criterion has Mulholland Dr. For example, I know awhile back that clips from the movie were pulled from YouTube and the note said "by request of Universal/Criterion Collection" (or something like that). I think there's been a few things that when taken together would indicate a Criterion Mulholland Dr. is likely.

LPMA 06-21-13 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 11738907)
I'm not saying they're definitely going to release this, and I would agree that this tweet alone doesn't mean a thing, but there's been other evidence that Criterion has Mulholland Dr. For example, I know awhile back that clips from the movie were pulled from YouTube and the note said "by request of Universal/Criterion Collection" (or something like that). I think there's been a few things that when taken together would indicate a Criterion Mulholland Dr. is likely.

I hadn't heard of that! That's most definitely a good sign.

jwstl 06-21-13 10:18 AM

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I rented Mulholland Dr. shortly after it was released on DVD and I hated it. I didn't even finish it as I recall. But I've heard so many great things about I'd like to give it another chance. And a Criterion release would be perfect. It wouldn't be the first time I revisited a film I didn't care for only to have a change of heart on a second viewing years later.

LPMA 06-21-13 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jwstl (Post 11738994)
I rented Mulholland Dr. shortly after it was released on DVD and I hated it. I didn't even finish it as I recall. But I've heard so many great things about I'd like to give it another chance. And a Criterion release would be perfect. It wouldn't be the first time I revisited a film I didn't care for only to have a change of heart on a second viewing years later.

I hope I'm not being spoilerey but I think one of the movie's strongest points is how it gets progressively stranger as the movie goes. So it might be a case of not sticking with it long enough? Although I can definitely understand people not liking it at all too.

riotinmyskull 06-21-13 04:20 PM

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Patton Oswalt's Top 10 Criterions

TheDuke 06-21-13 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LPMA (Post 11739000)
I hope I'm not being spoilerey but I think one of the movie's strongest points is how it gets progressively stranger as the movie goes. So it might be a case of not sticking with it long enough? Although I can definitely understand people not liking it at all too.

For what it's worth, I wasn't terribly keen on it until I read an article explaining what it (basically) meant. Now it's my favorite movie ever.

Mabuse 06-21-13 06:50 PM

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The Making of “Autumn Sonata,” a three-and-a-half-hour program examining every aspect of the production
Is this new or something made back in the '70s?

MTRodaba2468 06-26-13 12:40 AM

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Newsletter hint:
https://i1.createsend1.com/ei/r/6F/0...ackyearths.jpg

It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World

Also, Howards End (along with all the Merchant Ivory releases they have) are going OOP, effective June 30th.

RobLutter 06-26-13 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MTRodaba2468 (Post 11744030)
Newsletter hint:
https://i1.createsend1.com/ei/r/6F/0...ackyearths.jpg

It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World

Also, Howards End (along with all the Merchant Ivory releases they have) are going OOP, effective June 30th.

If they can get the Roadshow version pieced together, I'd be in for a Criterion version of IAMMMMW. The MGM BD already has a BEAUTIFUL picture for the theatrical version, however.

LPMA 06-26-13 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MTRodaba2468 (Post 11744030)
Also, Howards End (along with all the Merchant Ivory releases they have) are going OOP, effective June 30th.


Are any of the Merchant Ivory titles on BD?

Don't Criterion usually have an announcement on their site listing the titles?

Josh Z 06-26-13 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MTRodaba2468 (Post 11744030)
It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World

Odd choice of title for Criterion to pick up. What's next, a Criterion edition of The Incredible Mr. Limpet?

slop101 06-26-13 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RobLutter (Post 11744122)
If they can get the Roadshow version pieced together, I'd be in for a Criterion version of IAMMMMW. The MGM BD already has a BEAUTIFUL picture for the theatrical version, however.

Agreed, the existing blu-ray looks amazing, like it was shot yesterday. But if they throw in the roadshow version and nice extras, the Criterion version could be worth double-dipping on.

Sondheim 06-26-13 02:53 PM

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I really hope Criterion has something big up their sleeve for IaMMMMW, because otherwise it does seem like a completely unnecessary release.

Not that it matters that much to me anyways - in spite of all the talent involved, I've never found the film to be particularly funny. And it's waaaay too long.

Doctorossi 06-26-13 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sondheim (Post 11744810)
Not that it matters that much to me anyways - in spite of all the talent involved, I've never found the film to be particularly funny. And it's waaaay too long.

I thought I was the only one.

slop101 06-26-13 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sondheim (Post 11744810)
Not that it matters that much to me anyways - in spite of all the talent involved, I've never found the film to be particularly funny. And it's waaaay too long.

I'd probably feel the same if I first saw it as an adult, or even a teenager. But I was 8 or 9 when I first saw it and it left a real impression. Blame nostalgia, I suppose.

Living Deadpan 06-26-13 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MTRodaba2468 (Post 11744030)
It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World


Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 11744321)
Odd choice of title for Criterion to pick up. What's next, a Criterion edition of The Incredible Mr. Limpet?

How about a Criterion edition of 1941 or Rat Race. ;)

OldBoy 06-29-13 04:44 AM

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Ice Storm ...little disappointed on the video review, but still a buy nonetheless.

slowcloud 06-30-13 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 11748055)
Ice Storm ...little disappointed on the video review, but still a buy nonetheless.

I'm not surprised. I was told (off the record) by one director who is on criterion that they had ported over one of his DVDs to Blu-ray and he was upset they even added his director-approved sticker.

Solid Snake 06-30-13 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by LPMA (Post 11736857)
Criterion just posted this on tumblr:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/371c93e11...6iqo1_1280.jpg

YES PLEASE.

Regarding the ratio. Has it always been pushed up?

Mike86 06-30-13 04:00 PM

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Might have to pick up Mulholland Drive if it's released.

rocket1312 06-30-13 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by slowcloud (Post 11748898)
I'm not surprised. I was told (off the record) by one director who is on criterion that they had ported over one of his DVDs to Blu-ray and he was upset they even added his director-approved sticker.

I don't understand. Are you saying that you're not surprised that The Ice Storm has a sub-par transfer? Or are you saying you're not surprised that Criterion released a sub-par transfer? I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I honestly just don't understand what one has to do with the other or what you're trying to get at.

slowcloud 07-01-13 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 11749403)
I don't understand. Are you saying that you're not surprised that The Ice Storm has a sub-par transfer? Or are you saying you're not surprised that Criterion released a sub-par transfer? I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I honestly just don't understand what one has to do with the other or what you're trying to get at.

No worries. Sorry about that. I'm not surprised to hear that Criterion released a DVD port on blu-ray of The Ice Storm, hence the sub-par transfer. That is exactly what I heard from one director who had that happen with one of his films being "upgraded" from DVD to BR. So what I was trying to say is that I at least know of one other occasion where Criterion has released a blu-ray version of a DVD and did nothing to remaster it for BR and never truly got director approval.

milo bloom 07-01-13 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by slowcloud (Post 11749743)
No worries. Sorry about that. I'm not surprised to hear that Criterion released a DVD port on blu-ray of The Ice Storm, hence the sub-par transfer. That is exactly what I heard from one director who had that happen with one of his films being "upgraded" from DVD to BR. So what I was trying to say is that I at least know of one other occasion where Criterion has released a blu-ray version of a DVD and did nothing to remaster it for BR and never truly got director approval.

Sounds like the old justification THX used for leaving their approval on that old Highlander transfer - the original master was made for laserdisc, but since it was approved then, it's still technically "approved" now.

So even if it's a 2k transfer that was good enough for DVD, it's become apparent with other Blus (from other studios also) that those transfers just aren't good enough. A lot of fans on Star Trek forums that aren't really into the how and why of Bluray think the Trek movie box set Blurays (particularly the first six movies) are simply upconverted DVDs because they don't have the same level of detail as some of their other Blurays.

Josh Z 07-01-13 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake (Post 11748947)
Regarding the ratio. Has it always been pushed up?

The first half of Mulholland Drive was produced as a TV pilot and framed for 1.78:1. (Well, really, it was primarily framed for 4:3 but "protected" for 1.78:1.) When it was turned into a feature film, the photography was matted down to 1.85:1. Lynch must have felt that was too tight on the top, and wanted the image slid down a bit to compensate.

TheDuke 07-02-13 02:07 AM

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Although they have been all but confirmed, it might interest some to know that The Brood and Scanners have been added to Criterion's iTunes channel.

Dr. Forrester 07-02-13 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDuke (Post 11751029)
Although they have been all but confirmed, it might interest some to know that The Brood and Scanners have been added to Criterion's iTunes channel.

:thumbsup:

LPMA 07-02-13 09:59 AM

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If anyone feels like taking a look at my owned titles and recommend anything they feel are 'must haves' that I might be missing, I'm taking suggestions in preparation for the B&N sale!

TheDuke 07-08-13 04:02 AM

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THE SALE (you know the one) starts on TUESDAY.

davidlynchfan 07-08-13 12:15 PM

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overlap or die!

TheDuke 07-08-13 08:35 PM

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So I'm thinking of blind buying the Three Colors Trilogy during the sale, and I was wondering if you guys could help me out with that decision. It seems like it has a lot of themes I'm really in to (mostly character driven, kind of sad, romantic, beautiful, introspective, etc.) but I feel weird spending that much money on a set of movies I haven't seen yet. Are they really feely?

Josh Z 07-08-13 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDuke (Post 11758235)
So I'm thinking of blind buying the Three Colors Trilogy during the sale, and I was wondering if you guys could help me out with that decision. It seems like it has a lot of themes I'm really in to (mostly character driven, kind of sad, romantic, beautiful, introspective, etc.) but I feel weird spending that much money on a set of movies I haven't seen yet. Are they really feely?

The Three Colors movies are almost universally beloved by everyone in the entire world who's ever seen them... except me. I think they're a huge load of unwatchably pretentious BS.

Take that for whatever it's worth. I seem to be in a minority with that opinion.

PhantomStranger 07-08-13 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDuke (Post 11758235)
So I'm thinking of blind buying the Three Colors Trilogy during the sale, and I was wondering if you guys could help me out with that decision. It seems like it has a lot of themes I'm really in to (mostly character driven, kind of sad, romantic, beautiful, introspective, etc.) but I feel weird spending that much money on a set of movies I haven't seen yet. Are they really feely?

It's not hyperbole to say they are some of the finest crafted movies ever made, with something to offer everyone. If they had been made in English, most adult movie fans in the U.S. would have seen them.

They are far better than a large percentage of the art house tripe in Criterion's catalog.

LPMA 07-08-13 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDuke (Post 11758235)
So I'm thinking of blind buying the Three Colors Trilogy during the sale, and I was wondering if you guys could help me out with that decision. It seems like it has a lot of themes I'm really in to (mostly character driven, kind of sad, romantic, beautiful, introspective, etc.) but I feel weird spending that much money on a set of movies I haven't seen yet. Are they really feely?

I don't wanna say they are 'very' feely in case you would take that as a bad thing. I found they struck a pretty perfect balance.

Doctorossi 07-08-13 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 11758284)
I think they're a huge load of unwatchably pretentious BS.

I wouldn't go that far, but I'm another decided non-fan. There's some impressive imagery on display, to be certain, and I'd certainly recommend giving a shot to watching them, by all means, as there's a lot more going on than most movies have to offer. For me, though, there's not enough resonance beneath the twaddle and once was definitely enough.

TheDuke 07-09-13 01:02 AM

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Thanks. It looks like it's definitely something worth picking up. I'll see what my paycheck says on the matter.

asianxcore 07-09-13 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDuke (Post 11756917)
THE SALE (you know the one) starts on TUESDAY.

:banana:

Going to be up early to pick up some Seijun Suzuki films.


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