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gryffinmaster 05-18-11 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner (Post 10778013)
I've honestly never understood why Criterion upconverts all their standard-def extras.

Pretty sure it's because of the menu structure on their Blu-rays and a need for screen resolution. Only a simplified "Return to Menu"-style pop-up menu can often be accessed on other discs when the content shifts from HD to SD, so they upconvert the material in order to make the fluid bar navigation usable during all the features.

mhanlen1 05-18-11 05:58 PM

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This is great news on the Killing. My old Kubrick boxed set and Killer's Kiss and the Killing are now on eBay.

NoirFan 05-19-11 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner (Post 10778013)
What really bugs me is when Blu-ray review sites crow about Criterion delivering all their extras in HD when on quite a few discs, most/all of them are glaringly sourced from SD. Writers who can't tell the difference between lousy upconverts and genuine HD really shouldn't be touching Blu-ray reviews.

Apologies for my ignorance, but I think I need a quick remedial lesson. SD is 480p, but upconverted becomes 720p, correct? So, wouldn't upconverted SD extras be 720p, not 1080i? And if not, wouldn't Criterion's 1080i extras on a Blu-ray look superior to those same extras on a SD, which would be at 720p?


Blu-ray.com review of Solaris

Adam Tyner 05-19-11 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NoirFan (Post 10779785)
Apologies for my ignorance, but I think I need a quick remedial lesson. SD is 480p, but upconverted becomes 720p, correct?

You can upconvert anything to anything else, really. It's like resizing an image in Photoshop. There's no cap that says 1280x720 is as high as you can go.

(Your receiver may max out at 720p for upconverting, though. My Harmon/Kardon definitely stops at 720p for upconverts and only does 1080i/1080p if that's what's directly sent to it, but that's not a limitation that Criterion is facing. There are a fair number of other 1080i/1080p upconverts on Blu-ray too, such as that It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia Christmas special, and you can barely flip a channel on cable/satellite without running into something upconverted to 1080i.)


Originally Posted by NoirFan (Post 10779785)
And if not, wouldn't Criterion's 1080i extras on a Blu-ray look superior to those same extras on a SD, which would be at 720p?

It's the difference between the tools Criterion is using to upconvert vs. the gear in your home theater. I'd expect the difference to generally be negligible.

480p video also has the advantage of being much smaller and encoding more efficiently. Especially on single disc releases with quite a bit of upconverted extras (8 1/2, for instance), the 1080i upconverts are going to have to be very heavily compressed and/or they threaten the bit budget for the feature.

The menu explanation makes sense, although speaking just for myself, I've never found the popup menus on the SD extras on discs from every other studio to be confusing or disappointing.

davidh777 05-19-11 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MTRodaba2468 (Post 10777448)
It's like with their eventual Y Tu Mama Tambien release. The MGM release is pretty good, but we know it'll be getting HD treatment thanks to Criterion releasing it, which is very benefitial to us...

I lost my MGM release :( so :drool:

NoirFan 05-19-11 01:52 PM

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https://i1.createsend1.com/ei/r/12/4...ckypanther.jpg

Kuroneko? Island of Lost Souls?

Doctorossi 05-19-11 02:04 PM

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Cat People? :D

PopcornTreeCt 05-19-11 02:39 PM

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My first thought was Kuroneko. I'd welcome Emir Kusturica's Black Cat, White Cat too.

MTRodaba2468 05-19-11 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctorossi (Post 10780257)
Cat People? :D


Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt (Post 10780330)
My first thought was Kuroneko. I'd welcome Emir Kusturica's Black Cat, White Cat too.

I don't see it being Cat People (either the original or the remake; although if I had to pick between the two, the remake is more likely). The original is held by Warner Bros., and is a part of their Val Lewton box set. While both Universal and Schrader have a good relationship with Criterion, there is already a notable SE of Cat People released; it just seems like a title I could see Universal putting out themselves.

I could see Kuroneko getting released, but with the file name as wackypanther.jpg, I think that fits this title (which has been rumored for quite some time), making this release all the more likely:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...flostsouls.jpg

Superdaddy 05-19-11 07:03 PM

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I'd be all over a BD of the 1982 Cat People. Not a good movie IMO, but very high on my guilty pleasures/favorite trash films list.

I seriously doubt that is the clue, though.

Solid Snake 05-19-11 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Superdaddy (Post 10780733)
I'd be all over a BD of the 1982 Cat People. Not a good movie IMO, but very high on my guilty pleasures/favorite trash films list.

I seriously doubt that is the clue, though.

I don't think it's Cat People either but if they chose the film it'd probably surprise me a bit but in their DVD side they did release The Rock, Armageddon, and The Blob to name a few.

NoirFan 05-19-11 07:17 PM

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I've only seen Island of Lost Souls in a beat-up, murky transfer, so a (presumably) hi-def release would be an absolute revelation.

davidh777 05-19-11 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Superdaddy (Post 10780733)
I'd be all over a BD of the 1982 Cat People. Not a good movie IMO, but very high on my guilty pleasures/favorite trash films list.

I seriously doubt that is the clue, though.

I think this and The Getaway are my only remaining HD DVDs that I can't switch to Blu

Solid Snake 05-19-11 08:11 PM

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The Getaway? Why not?

davidh777 05-19-11 08:21 PM

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It's the Kim Basinger version :)

Hammer99 05-19-11 08:34 PM

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I really do hope it is Island of Lost Souls. :up:

Solid Snake 05-19-11 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by davidh777 (Post 10780870)
It's the Kim Basinger version :)

oh yeah...I forgot about the remake.

riotinmyskull 05-19-11 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by davidh777 (Post 10780830)
I think this and The Getaway are my only remaining HD DVDs that I can't switch to Blu

and STREETS OF FIRE

PopcornTreeCt 05-19-11 10:56 PM

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And THE BIG LEBOWSKI!

Arpeggi 05-20-11 12:15 AM

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And Being John Malkovich!

davidh777 05-20-11 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by riotinmyskull (Post 10780892)
and STREETS OF FIRE


Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt (Post 10781112)
And THE BIG LEBOWSKI!


Originally Posted by Arpeggi (Post 10781198)
And Being John Malkovich!

Yeah, except I don't have any of those. Feel free to make fun of my HD DVD collection. :)

Actually I have replaced a number of HD DVDs already. It's stuff like Sky Captain that I don't know if I'll ever get around to watching that I haven't felt the need to upgrade. And a lot of Kubricks--maybe I'll pick up the new BD collection sometime.

Superdaddy 05-20-11 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NoirFan (Post 10780751)
I've only seen Island of Lost Souls in a beat-up, murky transfer, so a (presumably) hi-def release would be an absolute revelation.

I've only seen it on a TV showing years ago, so this would be a big step up indeed.

badlieut 05-20-11 07:14 AM

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The TV series Manimal? :)

Jaymole 05-20-11 07:31 AM

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Please Please Please let it be the the Malaysian film Satu bahasa tidak (My Panther is a Trannie)....I've been hoping that Criterion would release that for ages!!!!

mhanlen1 05-20-11 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by NoirFan (Post 10780230)

How Stella Got Her Groove Back.

Drexl 05-20-11 10:26 AM

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Catwoman! :)

davidh777 05-20-11 11:01 AM

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The Cat Returns :)

nitin77 05-20-11 07:41 PM

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definitely Kuroneko. Although I wish they would release an upgrade of Onibaba at the same time, I much prefer that film from Kaneto Shindo.

gryffinmaster 05-20-11 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nitin77 (Post 10782651)
definitely Kuroneko. Although I wish they would release an upgrade of Onibaba at the same time, I much prefer that film from Kaneto Shindo.

Maybe they'll just hit two birds with one stone. :drool:

Eric D. 05-21-11 03:59 AM

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It would be incredible if it was Island of Lost Souls. I've only seen a bad print of it a few years back and I've been hoping that it gets released ever since that day. It's strange to think that there was never a R1 DVD release, at least one that I'm aware of.

NoirFan 05-21-11 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by nitin77 (Post 10782651)
definitely Kuroneko. Although I wish they would release an upgrade of Onibaba at the same time, I much prefer that film from Kaneto Shindo.

If you're a big fan of Onibaba, the MoC disc is the version to own, with a superior transfer and a commentary track. Here's a comparison.

zombeaner 05-21-11 10:36 AM

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This is not a teaser for Kuroneko, they've already teased that.

NoirFan 05-21-11 03:16 PM

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Criterion posted this on Facebook back in October 2009:


(Island of Lost Souls) is a super challenging title from a mastering perspective, so don't hold your breath, but don't give up hope either.

nitin77 05-21-11 09:11 PM

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Noirfan,

Yes was considering getting the MoC but they have advised they wont be upgrading to blu and I hope Criterion will. The criterion transfer is good enough till that happens.

Is the commentary worth it?

NoirFan 05-21-11 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nitin77 (Post 10783889)
Is the commentary worth it?

I honestly can't remember if I've listened to it or not. I've spent $16 on a couple of MoCs just to get the commentaries when I already owned the Criterions (Pitfall and Face of Another), but that's just me. The commentary features Shindo, Sato and Yoshimura, so I'm guessing there's plenty of info between the three of them. The MoC disc also includes a six-minute Alex Cox intro and a 24-page booklet.

nitin77 05-22-11 05:49 AM

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might consider it with my next Amazon UK order.

I've recently bought 14 MoC dvds though so I know what you mean :) The number of releases that are interesting kind of sneaks up on you.

Arpeggi 05-23-11 07:41 PM

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Just got Solaris in the mail from Amazon. Glory!

PopcornTreeCt 05-23-11 08:49 PM

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I got my package from Criterion but I'm in Jersey and it's in Orlando. :(

NoirFan 05-24-11 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerCannibal (Post 10776860)
The Digital Bits has confirmed Killer's Kiss will be in HD!

I asked Criterion the other week if Killer's Kiss would be 1080p, and this was their response:

Originally Posted by Jon Mulvaney
KILLER'S KISS is included in our Blu-ray release of THE KILLING. Hope that helps!

Actually, it doesn't...

NoirFan 05-24-11 03:42 PM

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You really can't appreciate how utterly lazy and underwhelming the Great Dictator cover is until you're holding the case in your hands. If I didn't know any better, I'd honestly think I was gazing at a bootleg.


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