Blu-ray Sales Figures Discussion
06-17-08 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by chanster
Tom Adams, president of Adams Media Research, said that today, 80% of U.S. PlayStation 3 users are playing Blu-ray movies on their. [sic] That has improved from 53% in September.
Thats just my opinion, so please don't go around screaming bloody murder.
Thats just my opinion, so please don't go around screaming bloody murder.
I hope they are talking about people that buy more movies and not just play the free one that comes with the system. That'd be pretty sad if not everyone was watching the movie they got for free.
06-17-08 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Mister Peepers
MURDER!!!!!!!! BLOODY MURDER!!!!!!!!
I hope they are talking about people that buy more movies and not just play the free one that comes with the system. That'd be pretty sad if not everyone was watching the movie they got for free.
I hope they are talking about people that buy more movies and not just play the free one that comes with the system. That'd be pretty sad if not everyone was watching the movie they got for free.
06-17-08 | 11:02 AM
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I bought a 60GB PS3 which had no demo disc included. My brother bought a 40GB PS3 that did not include Spider-man 3.
Believe it or not, people may actually seek out Blu-Ray's to use with the $400 player they just bought.
I don't know about some of you, but if I buy a piece of hardware which can play a certain type of media, I'm probably going to walk out of the store with at least one disc, rather than waiting for Netflix or going to Blockbuster.
The above reply is a perfect example of any possible positive news for BD being attacked. No one's saying it has to be all hearts and flowers, but to write off a significant jump in PS3's being used to play BD as "demo discs and rental" is a perfect example of, well, the usual.
Believe it or not, people may actually seek out Blu-Ray's to use with the $400 player they just bought.
I don't know about some of you, but if I buy a piece of hardware which can play a certain type of media, I'm probably going to walk out of the store with at least one disc, rather than waiting for Netflix or going to Blockbuster.
The above reply is a perfect example of any possible positive news for BD being attacked. No one's saying it has to be all hearts and flowers, but to write off a significant jump in PS3's being used to play BD as "demo discs and rental" is a perfect example of, well, the usual.
06-17-08 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by chanster
I guess I'm looking at the 2015 number and really wondering about it. 2015 will be 8 years from the introduction of Blu Ray. By that point in the DVD lifecycle, the succcessor to the DVD was already being thought up and planned. (with introduction 2-3 years later) So what does that say about Blu Ray? IMHO it seems that Blu Ray will only become the majority (and a relatively slight one) right before it fades for the next big thing. And that number is just a Disney projection, so I'm guessing its probably rosier than reality.
Thats just my opinion, so please don't go around screaming bloody murder.
Thats just my opinion, so please don't go around screaming bloody murder.
What leap will there be in home A/V presentation in the next five years that will require the development of a new delivery mechanism? 4K? Not likely. At least, not as a consumer format. 1080p is likely to be the standard for at least twenty years, and I would expect Blu-ray to last close to that long, unless someone comes up with a way to mass-produce 50GB memory cards for $5-10 each, which would be the most logical next step I can think of for a physical delivery format.
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06-17-08 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
I bought a 60GB PS3 which had no demo disc included. My brother bought a 40GB PS3 that did not include Spider-man 3.
Believe it or not, people may actually seek out Blu-Ray's to use with the $400 player they just bought.
I don't know about some of you, but if I buy a piece of hardware which can play a certain type of media, I'm probably going to walk out of the store with at least one disc, rather than waiting for Netflix or going to Blockbuster.
The above reply is a perfect example of any possible positive news for BD being attacked. No one's saying it has to be all hearts and flowers, but to write off a significant jump in PS3's being used to play BD as "demo discs and rental" is a perfect example of, well, the usual.
Believe it or not, people may actually seek out Blu-Ray's to use with the $400 player they just bought.
I don't know about some of you, but if I buy a piece of hardware which can play a certain type of media, I'm probably going to walk out of the store with at least one disc, rather than waiting for Netflix or going to Blockbuster.
The above reply is a perfect example of any possible positive news for BD being attacked. No one's saying it has to be all hearts and flowers, but to write off a significant jump in PS3's being used to play BD as "demo discs and rental" is a perfect example of, well, the usual.
included a BD demo disc for the past few months and before that was
Spiderman 3 or T. Nights. That's a fact. For a short time nothing was included but that higher % being touted is when the BD disc was included with 40GB system.
If all PS3 owners bought a disc like you claim the numbers would be much, much higher then they already own.
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06-17-08 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
PS3 had included a BD demo disc for the past few months and before that was Spiderman 3 or T. Nights. That's a fact.
06-17-08 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
The above reply is a perfect example of any possible positive news for BD being attacked.
I got the Nascar movie with mine but got the system before the 5 free movies.
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06-17-08 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
On and off. The PS3 I bought around this time last year didn't include a BD disc -- movie, demo, or otherwise -- at all.
I edited my post aminute before you posted saying that. My 60GB did not include a thing but my friends 40GB he bought last month did.
06-17-08 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mister Peepers
Who cares? If there's some negative news, then people find reasons to prove it's not all that bad. It works both ways.
I got the Nascar movie with mine but got the system before the 5 free movies.
I got the Nascar movie with mine but got the system before the 5 free movies.
I wish I had been eligible for the 5 free movies....when I purchased my 60GB they didn't include any BD's and the 5 free had not started yet. Still, it has been a great purchase and I now have around 25 BD's and 3 games to date.
06-17-08 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RoboDad
It is certainly a possibility, but aside from downloads/VOD, I'm not sure what point there would be to developing a new delivery format. The reason for Blu-ray was clear and logical. HDTV was still "unfinished" when the DVD spec was completed, so it was not possible to incorporate any HD standard into it. Once that standard was available, a new format needed to be developed to take full advantage of it.
What leap will there be in home A/V presentation in the next five years that will require the development of a new delivery mechanism? 4K? Not likely. At least, not as a consumer format. 1080p is likely to be the standard for at least twenty years, and I would expect Blu-ray to last close to that long, unless someone comes up with a way to mass-produce 50GB memory cards for $5-10 each, which would be the most logical next step I can think of for a physical delivery format.
What leap will there be in home A/V presentation in the next five years that will require the development of a new delivery mechanism? 4K? Not likely. At least, not as a consumer format. 1080p is likely to be the standard for at least twenty years, and I would expect Blu-ray to last close to that long, unless someone comes up with a way to mass-produce 50GB memory cards for $5-10 each, which would be the most logical next step I can think of for a physical delivery format.
06-17-08 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Mister Peepers
Who cares? If there's some negative news, then people find reasons to prove it's not all that bad. It works both ways.
I'll be the first to say software prices suck - they do. You are not going to get mass adoption with $25 catalog titles and $30-$35 day and dates at Best Buy.
But if Blu-Ray can gradually inch towards a tipping point where studios can make more and charge less, then the format will be in good shape.
06-17-08 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Perfect example of trying to find something negative with everything. PS3 had
included a BD demo disc for the past few months and before that was
Spiderman 3 or T. Nights. That's a fact. For a short time nothing was included but that higher % being touted is when the BD disc was included with 40GB system.
If all PS3 owners bought a disc like you claim the numbers would be much, much higher then they already own.
included a BD demo disc for the past few months and before that was
Spiderman 3 or T. Nights. That's a fact. For a short time nothing was included but that higher % being touted is when the BD disc was included with 40GB system.
If all PS3 owners bought a disc like you claim the numbers would be much, much higher then they already own.
BD sales are growing. I wouldn't call it a rapid growth, but there is growth. And that growth has to be at least partially responsible for the increase in BD playing from the PS3.
Besides, last I looked, there was this kind of significant event in the format war between September 2007 and now that could have made people buy a PS3 for Blu-Ray.
06-17-08 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
I'll be the first to say software prices suck - they do. You are not going to get mass adoption with $25 catalog titles and $30-$35 day and dates at Best Buy.
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06-17-08 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by chanster
The point is of course to sell new hardware.
Blu-ray Outpacing DVD in Western Europe
Blu-ray Disc Futuresource (resulting company of the merger between Understanding & Solutions and DTC) have announced that, according to their analysis, in Western Europe, Blu-ray player sales during the first three years of the format have outpaced DVD player sales during its first three years. This trend is predicted to continue through 2011, or the sixth year of the Blu-ray format.
Jim Bottoms, MD Corporate Development, Futuresource commented, "One of the questions we are asked on a regular basis is how does Blu-ray (BD) uptake compare with the uptake of DVD in the early years, and how do the BD player forecasts look alongside DVD player adoption. Focusing on like-for-like coverage of Western Europe and comparing the first few years of uptake, the early indications are that BD player sales are running way ahead of DVD after the same time period."
The caveat to consider while digesting this information is that Futuresource has included sales of all PlayStation 3 consoles as Blu-ray players. To offset this, they have also included all PlayStation 2 console sales as DVD players, but those didn't come to Europe until after the DVD format was a few years in to its lifespan.
Regardless, for a region of the planet with less HDTV adoption than the US, it is encouraging to see Blu-ray adoption so strong.
Blu-ray Disc Futuresource (resulting company of the merger between Understanding & Solutions and DTC) have announced that, according to their analysis, in Western Europe, Blu-ray player sales during the first three years of the format have outpaced DVD player sales during its first three years. This trend is predicted to continue through 2011, or the sixth year of the Blu-ray format.
Jim Bottoms, MD Corporate Development, Futuresource commented, "One of the questions we are asked on a regular basis is how does Blu-ray (BD) uptake compare with the uptake of DVD in the early years, and how do the BD player forecasts look alongside DVD player adoption. Focusing on like-for-like coverage of Western Europe and comparing the first few years of uptake, the early indications are that BD player sales are running way ahead of DVD after the same time period."
The caveat to consider while digesting this information is that Futuresource has included sales of all PlayStation 3 consoles as Blu-ray players. To offset this, they have also included all PlayStation 2 console sales as DVD players, but those didn't come to Europe until after the DVD format was a few years in to its lifespan.
Regardless, for a region of the planet with less HDTV adoption than the US, it is encouraging to see Blu-ray adoption so strong.
06-17-08 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by chanster
The point is of course to sell new hardware. Thats not a bad thing, thats just the way these companies make money. If you are stilling using your 2007 Blu Ray model in 2014, then the software makers may be happy, but their CE partners won't be. Of course Sony straddles both those lines, which makes things more interesting.
So, let me ask the question again with clarification, what would the point be, from a consumer perspective, of buying into a new physical delivery format in eight years that doesn't offer higher resolution, better audio, or more interactivity than what people can get today? Unless it offers something that grabs peoples' attention, I don't see it happening, at least in that time frame.
06-17-08 | 07:34 PM
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All I know is that 8 years is a long way to go, especially electronic life spans, and and I wouldn't be surprised if the CEs are already cooking up ultra secret plans for greater than 1080p max sets. Of course they don't want to tell you that right now, because they are pimpling 1080p devices.
06-17-08 | 08:07 PM
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I was going to post a picture of some dude squeezing a pimple, but all the pics I found on google images grossed me out.
ergo: you win this time.
I was going to post a picture of some dude squeezing a pimple, but all the pics I found on google images grossed me out.
ergo: you win this time.
06-17-08 | 10:02 PM
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I was referring to:
But I'll add:
There's already better than 1080p sets being released this year (if not already released... I can't remember). I'm concerned that 'HD' won't last as long as NTSC and PAL.
Originally Posted by chanster
because they are pimpling 1080p devices.
There's already better than 1080p sets being released this year (if not already released... I can't remember). I'm concerned that 'HD' won't last as long as NTSC and PAL.
06-17-08 | 11:38 PM
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I'm not sure I understand that concern. There is a broadcast standard in place that all sets must comply with, and it isn't going to be changing anytime soon. If it did, and it rendered all of the recently-purchased and yet-to-be-purchased HDTVs obsolete in such a short time, the public outcry would be so great it would stagger your imagination. Even when color was added to NTSC, it had to be done in such a way that existing black and white sets could decode the signal, or it wouldn't have been done for a long, long time.
Will there be greater-than-1080p display devices developed and sold? Of course. Just as there were many greater-than-NTSC sets sold over the last 25 years of that standard's life. But broadcast transmissions remained unchanged. And just as with those NTSC+ devices, the new >1080p devices will all be 1080p/i compatible.
And for the overwhelmingly vast majority of consumers, the new devices that are developed will be nothing more than a curiosity. They will never even consider owning one (until such time that all devices are >1080p, which won't be for a very long time).
Will there be greater-than-1080p display devices developed and sold? Of course. Just as there were many greater-than-NTSC sets sold over the last 25 years of that standard's life. But broadcast transmissions remained unchanged. And just as with those NTSC+ devices, the new >1080p devices will all be 1080p/i compatible.
And for the overwhelmingly vast majority of consumers, the new devices that are developed will be nothing more than a curiosity. They will never even consider owning one (until such time that all devices are >1080p, which won't be for a very long time).
06-18-08 | 06:16 AM
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the ce manufacturers don't have to conduct secret research because most people aren't interested enough to find out the latest developments in this industry. they just head on into their nearest store and listen to the friendly salesman when they want to make a new purchase. 1080p is here for quite some time as the new standard.
06-18-08 | 04:10 PM
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Bill Hunt has some interesting comments on the future of Blu-ray sales today:
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Finally, I learned a few interesting things at the Home Media Expo up in L.A. yesterday. The focus was obviously on Blu-ray Disc, and industry analysts reported on some of the trends they're seeing in the market data, research and consumer surveys. The first interesting thing is that there's no evidence that the multiple Blu-ray Disc profiles is confusing or turning off anyone from buying the format. Consumers reportedly have two major things they care about with regard to Blu-ray - A/V quality and price. In addition, based on current sales trends of hardware and software, the industry prediction is that the format will reach 25% market penetration in late 2009 or early 2010. 25% is widely considered to be the threshold or "tipping point" for any format to go mass market. Price is key in this area, and there were predictions that you'll see at least one Blu-ray Disc player offered at the special price of $199 on Black Friday, a price which will become permanent early in 2009.
